why is the original raw not saved?
Dec 10, 2011 09:41:40 #
Nikonian72 wrote:
I suspect your original RAW still exists, but not in the folders you have searched.
I suspect your original RAW still exists, but not in the folders you have searched.
Not quite.
The original RAW file is retained in its original folder.
HOWEVER! Along with that file is a file with the same name but the extension .xmp. That file contains a log of everything you did to the parent file while in the RAW program.
When you load a file that has been edited in RAW, the ORIGINAL file is loaded along with the .xmp file. In the loading process, every editing you did on that file is applied to the original file as it is loaded. So you are presented with the original image PLUS all the editing you have done to that image.
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Dec 10, 2011 09:44:37 #
I am confused, you say that you cannot change the .nef file, then say that you can edit it. Do you mean that you make a .jpg copy, edit it, then save again as a .nef. When I open NXview 2 I see my photos as thumbnails at the bottom of the screen, and in the main body I see what appears to be a color histogram and the image is not distinguousable, just a lot of black, and red. I just got a Nikon D5100, a great camera I might add, but I am lost with the program to edit with.
Dave
Dave
Dec 10, 2011 09:50:19 #
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If you get rid of that .xmp file, your original image will be loaded without any previous editing. You get rid of the .xmp file by going to your Windows Explorer program (or its equivalent in other operating systems), find the file with the name of your original RAW image and delete the accompanying .xmp file with the same name.
In Windows Bridge, the thumbnail images that are displayed in Bridge will have an icon in the upper right corner that alerts you that there is an accompanying .xmp file for that image and if you load the image, all previous editing actions will be applied in the process.
Although this data is displayed in the Metadata window of Bridge, I could not delete or alter it there. I had to go to Windows Explore to delete the .xmp file.
FOR EMPHASIS: The original RAW file is NEVER altered.
To continue . . . .]
If you get rid of that .xmp file, your original image will be loaded without any previous editing. You get rid of the .xmp file by going to your Windows Explorer program (or its equivalent in other operating systems), find the file with the name of your original RAW image and delete the accompanying .xmp file with the same name.
In Windows Bridge, the thumbnail images that are displayed in Bridge will have an icon in the upper right corner that alerts you that there is an accompanying .xmp file for that image and if you load the image, all previous editing actions will be applied in the process.
Although this data is displayed in the Metadata window of Bridge, I could not delete or alter it there. I had to go to Windows Explore to delete the .xmp file.
FOR EMPHASIS: The original RAW file is NEVER altered.
Dec 10, 2011 09:56:30 #
nyweb2001 wrote:
I convert the RAW file in Elements 9, then save as a Jpeg. When I'm done, I close the RAW file and Elements asks me if I want to apply the changes I made to the RAW file. I click "no" as I made changes and saved as the Jpeg, and I still have the original RAW. Maybe some programs don't allow that....maybe make a duplicate Layer before starting so the RAW isn't touched ?
you need to re-open the RAW format and you are going to see the settings are different, go to the default settings, i mean the original settings when you open the picture, and you are on the original again.
Dec 10, 2011 10:10:19 #
Professor
Loc: West Central MN
I've made tests using Raw, Tif. Jpeg fine, Jpeg normal and Jpeg basic. Jpeg fine won. It gave the sharpest image. Case closed for me. I shoot Nikon D100.
Dec 10, 2011 10:20:52 #
Well...the RAW file contains all the image info...you just have to make the adjustments and convert it. The Tif is all your edits before you convert it...in other words, if you make adjustments and save as a Tif, you can go back and make changes without losing any image quality. Once you convert to Jpeg, if you want to make more adjustments the quality of the image starts degrading. I save the RAW, Tif, and Jpeg in the same folder !
Dec 10, 2011 10:28:11 #
jrconcours
Loc: Ocean View, DE
I use LR3 to process my raw files. The raw file never gets destroyed in the processing. As you do your processing it has a history you can see plus when you export to a jpeg it leaves the raw file in the catalog in its its original shot state and with all the processing you did.
I don't use the software that came with my Nikon.
I don't use the software that came with my Nikon.
CocoRoger wrote:
I'm using ViewNX 2. My understanding is that one ... (show quote)
Dec 10, 2011 10:29:36 #
Elements 9 does the same ! So does the Canon software although you can't do as many fine adjustments as Elements.
Dec 10, 2011 10:33:06 #
This is very interesting. I almost posted a simular question the other day. I was editing a RAW in PS CS5 RAW editor, and the last thing I did was crop the image then open it in CS5. I made further adjustments and saved as a jpg to send to a friend. I closed everything and later went to open that same RAW file. When opened in th CS5 RAW editor the image was not looking like the original, but had all the effects I previously made including the crop. I found out I could got back to the original size by going back to the crop feature and then it showed the crop maquee and I then removed it and the pic was back to original size. But now I see that instead it would be easier to delete the file accompanying the RAW to get rid of the saved edit. Thanks
Dec 10, 2011 10:39:55 #
As an alternative solution, make the RAW file "read only" (right click, properties, put a check on read only).
You will be able to look at it, and make changes. But if you save it, you will be forced to save it as a different file. If you (or your software) try to delete the original file, the computer will put up a bit of an argument.
Mikey...
You will be able to look at it, and make changes. But if you save it, you will be forced to save it as a different file. If you (or your software) try to delete the original file, the computer will put up a bit of an argument.
Mikey...
Dec 10, 2011 10:40:49 #
Stumbled onto the answer to my question, under image in viewnx 2 I found that show highlights and show shadows was checked, that kept me from viewing the photo.
I guess you just keep looking and the answer is there.
Thanks
I guess you just keep looking and the answer is there.
Thanks
Dec 10, 2011 10:45:23 #
Unfortunately most photo programs have their default settings set to make life difficult for simple minded people like me !!!
Dec 10, 2011 10:45:29 #
Paw Paw Bill
Loc: d
scrnmker42 wrote:
I am confused, you say that you cannot change the .nef file, then say that you can edit it. Do you mean that you make a .jpg copy, edit it, then save again as a .nef. When I open NXview 2 I see my photos as thumbnails at the bottom of the screen, and in the main body I see what appears to be a color histogram and the image is not distinguousable, just a lot of black, and red. I just got a Nikon D5100, a great camera I might add, but I am lost with the program to edit with.
Dave
Dave
What it means is that you can load the raw file into the software and edit the image that is produced and view these edits on the screen. When you save the image it will be saved as any of a number of image files that you choose, but the raw file is not altered. The alerations can not be applied to the raw.....only the image produced by the data presented in the raw file. The raw is not an image. Even the thumbnails you see in windows explorer have to have a plug-in to make the data into this image. You can, however, delete the raw file from the disk with some of the editing software if you are not careful what you select.
Dec 10, 2011 10:47:52 #
That's right...if you try to view a RAW file in Windows or any other simple viewer you can't see the image because it's NOT an image yet...just Data !
Dec 10, 2011 10:51:07 #
Paw Paw Bill
Loc: d
Professor wrote:
I've made tests using Raw, Tif. Jpeg fine, Jpeg normal and Jpeg basic. Jpeg fine won. It gave the sharpest image. Case closed for me. I shoot Nikon D100.
Your software will create an image from the raw file that is essentially the same resolution as the jpg fine. That is set and can't change. However, if you want to adjust exposure, contrast, color, color balance, or simular aspects, you will find that the raw file vastly superior to the camera produced jpg fine.
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