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Dec 9, 2011 12:44:15   #
Bruce H Loc: Oregon Coast
 
I never learned to take "no" for an answer. there is always a way, glad you found it.

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Dec 9, 2011 12:52:23   #
CocoaRoger Loc: Cocoa Florida
 
thanks

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Dec 10, 2011 07:09:29   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
RAW is a shooting or image recording format. Once captured, you are not able to change it, either in the camera or in a PC. All edit changes are recorded as additional JPGs, which can be viewed, printed, e-mailed, etc.

I simultaneously shoot RAW & JPG, and directly download both to a new folder in my PC. I edit my RAW, and rename the newly saved JPG to same folder. If I want another version, I know where to always find my original RAW.

I suspect your original RAW still exists, but not in the folders you have searched.
RAW is a shooting or image recording format. Once... (show quote)


View NX2 allows you to edit, modify and save the changes to a RAW file. The changes are saved with the file itself allowing you restore the image to its original format by simply clicking on the "revert" button. I have not had any problems with .NEF files which are slightly different than other RAW formats.

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Dec 10, 2011 07:22:25   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
nyweb2001 wrote:
I convert the RAW file in Elements 9, then save as a Jpeg. When I'm done, I close the RAW file and Elements asks me if I want to apply the changes I made to the RAW file. I click "no" as I made changes and saved as the Jpeg, and I still have the original RAW. Maybe some programs don't allow that....maybe make a duplicate Layer before starting so the RAW isn't touched ?


Canon DPP works the same way, Bob.

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Dec 10, 2011 07:27:33   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
Way I understand it works is this - you make adjustments to the raw image, then NX saves the adjustments AND the original raw image. You load the image, the adjustments are loaded and applied awaiting your changes. If you want to save the adjusted image then use "Save As" either JPG or Tiff. You then have both your original raw, the "table " of adjustments that you used on it and the newly created JEG ir TIFF image

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Dec 10, 2011 07:41:59   #
photocat Loc: Atlanta, Ga
 
Am I understanding correctly, that you don't make back up copies of the orginals?

I realize you feel that takes up tto much space on your hard drive, but the back ups need to be else where. In fact you have a disaster waiting to happen if you have all your images on your internal hard drive. Let alone with no back up.

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Dec 10, 2011 07:52:16   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
CocoRoger wrote:
Nyweb, yes you are right. There's a very very tiny icon that is invisible until after it's converted to jpg that highlights itself up in corner. It's very tiny and discreet. But it comes on and if you click on it it reverts the NEF back to it's original look. Thanks


It's always good to hear a catastrophy being averted.
Keep posting the problems and answers, they're better than the troubleshooting section that asks you whether the device is plugged in or not. Even if it's a tripod.

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Dec 10, 2011 08:19:32   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
CocoRoger wrote:
I did a search of the RAW file and it only showed up the one file that was changed and no other location. I'm using ViewNX 2. After I save it to jpg, the original RAW is altered to the jpg. When I click on the original RAW the changed version is now permanently RAW. Great, this is what Nikon says:NOTE: It is generally recommended to create a copy of the original file ( or folder ) and work with the copy. This way, if a mistake occurs you can always start over. This is not actually necessary, but if you are unsure if you will ever want the larger size back, you would still have the original file save.

So if I take 100 20meg NEF files I then am supposed to back ALL of them up by creating another folder and doubling the amount of space on my HD??? This is ridiculous!
I did a search of the RAW file and it only showed ... (show quote)


Roger,
When you save the changes made do you do it as (Save as), if you do that then the Original Raw file will not be changed. Hope this answers your question. Have a Very Merry Christmas.

George

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Dec 10, 2011 08:36:25   #
ephraim Imperio
 
I just use View NX2 to view my raw nef files. And then send them to Capture NX2 for post-processing. In Capture NX2 I then save the processed file as "processed NEF Raw file" to a dedicated external hard drive. When I retrieve a processed NEF Raw file, I can see on the right hand column of the software every process I have previously done and can change, revise, or make further improvements. The trick is to save the NEF file as "processed NEF RAW File" and not as jpeg. I am not sure you can do all of these in View NX2. You will need Capture NX2 also.

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Dec 10, 2011 08:36:57   #
JimGav
 
Use Lightroom and you will not have any problem.
You can always go back to the original.

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Dec 10, 2011 08:38:59   #
Paw Paw Bill Loc: d
 
Raw is a set of data from the sensor. It is not a picture. Each pixel that you see in a picture is actually from 4 different sensor elements. When you view thumnails or images of the raw file, you are only seeing an image generated from the data. You can not and software can not determine exactly what the four pieces of data were that resulted in the single pixel. It is a one way street. You cannot unscramble an egg and so you can not unscramble a jpg and make it a raw or take alerations to an image and apply it to raw data.

What does happen is that the software saves the alterations you made to the image derived from the raw and reapplies that each time you load the raw file. You can 'undo' or reset any of these steps and start over again.

Also, we often say or hear and then accept phrases about pixels on the sensor. There is no such thing. A 16 meg camera for example, produces a 16 mega pixel image, but that is the software generated count. The sensor actually has to send 64 megs of data for the camera to do this. It is a 16 meg camera, not a 16 meg sensor. We can correctly say that the sensor is capable of producing 16 meg images. But no sensor has any pixels.

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Dec 10, 2011 08:47:31   #
aammatj Loc: Zebulon, NC / Roscoe, Ill
 
CocoRoger wrote:
I'm using ViewNX 2. My understanding is that one of the advantages of shooting in raw is that after you've made adjustments should you want to later go back to the raw file and begin again from scratch with the original raw file you could. I can't. After I make adjustments to the raw file and convert it to jpg, if I go back to that original raw file it too is changed to same adjustments of the jpg and not as it's original state. I tried looking through all of the settings in the program to see if maybe there was something to prevent the changes made from being saved permanently to the raw file but couldn't find anything. The only other thing I can think of is a tremendously dumb thing to be forced to do and that is copy all of the NEF files, use the copies to make adjustments, then delete the 'worked on' raw files off my HD and have to do this everytime ie copy every raw file and save it somewhere before I do any work. Surely there must be a simpler way to make adjustments, save it as a jpg but not have those adjustments made permanently to the raw file so that if you feel the need to readjust something at a later date you still have it in it's original state.
I'm using ViewNX 2. My understanding is that one ... (show quote)


I edit .NEF files with Capture NX2. The program keeps track of all the edits, so if I want to go back to the original, I simply turn off all the edits (very simple and quick). It's also a great program for making basic edits, but does not work well for things that require layers. You might want to consider it.

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Dec 10, 2011 08:51:26   #
Dria Loc: Ohio
 
Make finding stuff easy.
Buy an external hard drive (they are pretty inexpensive)
When you download your camera to your computer-
1st go through and throw out the absolute junk (there are bound to be a few)then download all that are left onto your external hard drive.
that way if you cage something on your computer- then can't find the original- you know you have it on the external.
Plus if the computer crashes you have all your stuff backed up.

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Dec 10, 2011 08:51:58   #
aammatj Loc: Zebulon, NC / Roscoe, Ill
 
Paw Paw Bill wrote:
Raw is a set of data from the sensor. It is not a picture. Each pixel that you see in a picture is actually from 4 different sensor elements. When you view thumnails or images of the raw file, you are only seeing an image generated from the data. You can not and software can not determine exactly what the four pieces of data were that resulted in the single pixel. It is a one way street. You cannot unscramble an egg and so you can not unscramble a jpg and make it a raw or take alerations to an image and apply it to raw data.

What does happen is that the software saves the alterations you made to the image derived from the raw and reapplies that each time you load the raw file. You can 'undo' or reset any of these steps and start over again.

Also, we often say or hear and then accept phrases about pixels on the sensor. There is no such thing. A 16 meg camera for example, produces a 16 mega pixel image, but that is the software generated count. The sensor actually has to send 64 megs of data for the camera to do this. It is a 16 meg camera, not a 16 meg sensor. We can correctly say that the sensor is capable of producing 16 meg images. But no sensor has any pixels.
Raw is a set of data from the sensor. It is not a... (show quote)


Thanks for the clarification.

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Dec 10, 2011 09:34:16   #
Royalruler Loc: Rancho Cucamonga
 
The RAW or NEF file is just a file, whether it gets changed or not is because of the software or PC program you are using. For example if you use PS to make changes those changes are in what is called layers and can be removed so you can return to the original. If you use LightRoom 3 the changes are stored in the catalog and you can click the reset button and return to the original. Of course when you make a jpg file it is a new file and will have all your changes in it.

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