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Apr 9, 2024 13:25:56   #
srt101fan
 
MJPerini wrote:
Folks, one of the joys of photography is that it can bee enjoyed at many levels. Everyone starts somewhere.
The gallery is meant to be a "riskless" place to see your photo on the internet, and show it to others.
There is a reason it is structured that way, it encourages people to post regardless of their skill level.
These folks are not looking for your criticism, even if it is well intentioned. They just want to post pictures they are proud of.
There are lots of other places where criticism IS allowed , here and other places.
Having one place free from criticism, where people can feel safe is a very good idea.
Also, try to remember the audience....... This is not some high stakes gallery, I is a cordial meeting place for mostly older photographers to share and talk about Photography. All skill levels are welcome, and we do have lots of accomplished photographers as well as those who just do it for enjoyment.
Unsolicited criticism is generally not welcome anywhere, even if it is meant to be helpful
That should be a pretty easy concept to understand.
Be happy, take Pictures
Folks, one of the joys of photography is that it c... (show quote)


I agree with your well-expressed comments. I think there is another side to the Gallery. And that is to start a discussion around the photo's subject. I once posted a picture of a yawning fox. I got a surprising number of the "nice shot" kind of comments. But I also got a few folks describing their experiences with these interesting animals.

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Apr 9, 2024 13:31:41   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Rick, your topic is well meaning, not a rant at all. However, you're starting with the wrong assumption.

Photo Gallery is primarily a social sharing site. The majority of UHH users are over 70 years old.
Those who wish to "improve" (the meaning will be different for everyone) will ask for help.

Regarding where you can post photos, there are dozens of under-utilized volunteer-managed sections. Anyone unfamiliar should go to "all sections" at the bottom of this page. Subscribe to those of interest, and participate!

I frequent Landscape section and Black and White. And I always encourage feedback I also co-manage Digital Artistry, where we are open to constructive suggestions and opinions.

A note about Photo Analysis. The guidelines, written by Admin, are very specific as to that section's purpose. Folks who want to post there should read that pinned doc first. Otherwise, Admin will just move them to Gallery.
Rick, your topic is well meaning, not a rant at al... (show quote)


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Apr 9, 2024 13:36:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Not everyone posting a photo here want a critique. If the did, they would ask or post in the analysis section.
Just because they post in the Gallery doesn't mean they want a critique, the want to exhibit it/them.

I wonder if when people go to "Art Galleries" they offer their critique of the art to the curator.....
Same scenario, a "gallery": A place for displaying works of art.

But I suppose there are people who just can't view things without voicing an opinion of some sort.
OR force people into being "better" photographers by telling them what they did wrong????????

Next time I post an image I'll also post a disclaimer:
"For your viewing pleasure only! Not interested in what you think or I'll ask for an opinion. Like it or not, your choice."

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Apr 9, 2024 13:38:25   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I'm saddened to discover I was wrong about the OP's intent.

This mean-spirited follow-up says a lot.

jlocke, Wingpilot, Dennis (a whole different Dennis from who I see in The Attic ), Chg_Canon, MJPerini, and I "get it." The rest of you can look up the words "kindness" and "tolerance."

- unwatch -


Linda - please pm me. Not sure i understand what you mean.

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Apr 9, 2024 13:45:03   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
Rick, here's how I see this. The gallery rules also say something like "or just to show" your pictures. That's me.
I admit I am not a good photographer. I did better as a ten year old with film and a dark room at home.
Most often, I show my pictures just to show places I've been, flowers in my flower beds, my pets, NOT for the quality of the photos, but "just to show" what I want to show. That simple.
I have given up on ever being the kind of photographer everyone would like EVERYONE to be but that doesn't mean I don't want to show some pretty places, flowers, etc.... Pictures can be "pretty" without having to be perfect. JMHO.

Edit: OH, and if I think something is pretty, I say so. What may be stunning to me, may just be OK to others and to me, that's still OK.
My idea of a perfect photo is one I'd want to hang on my wall and even though I don't see a world of those, I still love some of what I see, so I say so.

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Apr 9, 2024 13:51:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Horseart wrote:
Rick, here's how I see this. The gallery rules also say something like "or just to show" your pictures. That's me.
I admit I am not a good photographer. I did better as a ten year old with film and a dark room at home.
Most often, I show my pictures just to show places I've been, flowers in my flower beds, my pets, NOT for the quality of the photos, but "just to show" what I want to show. That simple.
I have given up on ever being the kind of photographer everyone would like EVERYONE to be but that doesn't mean I don't want to show some pretty places, flowers, etc.... Pictures can be "pretty" without having to be perfect. JMHO.

Edit: OH, and if I think something is pretty, I say so. What may be stunning to me, may just be OK to others and to me, that's still OK.
My idea of a perfect photo is one I'd want to hang on my wall and even though I don't see a world of those, I still love some of what I see, so I say so.
Rick, here's how I see this. The gallery rules als... (show quote)


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Apr 9, 2024 13:58:34   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Horseart wrote:
Rick, here's how I see this. The gallery rules also say something like "or just to show" your pictures. That's me.
I admit I am not a good photographer. I did better as a ten year old with film and a dark room at home.
Most often, I show my pictures just to show places I've been, flowers in my flower beds, my pets, NOT for the quality of the photos, but "just to show" what I want to show. That simple.
I have given up on ever being the kind of photographer everyone would like EVERYONE to be but that doesn't mean I don't want to show some pretty places, flowers, etc.... Pictures can be "pretty" without having to be perfect. JMHO.

Edit: OH, and if I think something is pretty, I say so. What may be stunning to me, may just be OK to others and to me, that's still OK.
My idea of a perfect photo is one I'd want to hang on my wall and even though I don't see a world of those, I still love some of what I see, so I say so.
Rick, here's how I see this. The gallery rules als... (show quote)


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Apr 9, 2024 14:43:40   #
george19
 
I try to be constructive, and break my comments into several parts:

Composition: to be nice, I’ll ask what story they’re trying to tell. For instance what’s the subject? Also framing, extraneous elements like wires and poles.

Focus: what are you focusing on? What focus mode and why.

Exposure: exposure mode and why. Why high ISO and fast shutter speed? How did you select aperture and shutter speed? For instance, noon sun, high ISO, fast shutter speed for a landscape?

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Apr 9, 2024 14:57:03   #
De Hart Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Folks - I raised this subject a few years back and thought I’d give it an encore. UHH has 2 sections for members to post pics - Photo Gallery and Photo Analysis and posting constructive criticism in the first is frowned upon. I think this rule does a disservice to photographers looking to up their game.

I often look at posts in the Gallery and too often see, sorry for the blunt language, just awful photos. I’m not talking about subjective matters. I’m talking about pics that are out of focus, poorly exposed, with wildly tilted horizons (not done intentionally for artistic purposes), badly post processed or overprocessed, poorly composed with telephone poles growing out of heads, etc. or any number of other technical (NOT subjective) flaws.

And most times, well meaning members post, “Great set”, or “Nicely done” or other “ attaboys” in an attempt to not hurt another member’s feelings. I see this as counterproductive and reinforcing bad technique by poster. I ask how is a member to develop better photography skills if, I again apologize upfront, technically terrible pics are displayed and followed by lots of gushing platitudes?

Last time I mentioned this, I was slapped down by numerous members who argue that unless a poster requests constructive criticism, nothing negative should be said. Ok - I’ll buy the “If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing” idea, but gushing over bad stuff does harm to the poster too. If the pics are bad, say nothing. Stop reinforcing bad work.

Just a suggestion to those posting to the Gallery in the future - think about soliciting criticisms so you can improve your work. Sure you will get many nasty, snarky and often incorrect replies from a certain subsection of members, but you will also get many great suggestions for improvement offered in a polite, constructive manner. I’ve been a photographer for 55 yrs and I welcome all well meaning and civil critiques. We are never too old to learn a new trick.

Anxious to see the replies to this rant.
Folks - I raised this subject a few years back and... (show quote)


I agree 100%. More than half of the photos posted in the Gallery are terrible. I am not worried about blunt language At times, looking through the gallery is a waste of my time. I am amazed at how many responses say great set, when the photos are trash worthy.

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Apr 9, 2024 15:39:51   #
imagextrordinair Loc: Halden, Norway
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Rick, your topic is well meaning, not a rant at all. However, you're starting with the wrong assumption.

Photo Gallery is primarily a social sharing site. The majority of UHH users are over 70 years old.
Those who wish to "improve" (the meaning will be different for everyone) will ask for help.

Regarding where you can post photos, there are dozens of under-utilized volunteer-managed sections. Anyone unfamiliar should go to "all sections" at the bottom of this page. Subscribe to those of interest, and participate!

I frequent Landscape section and Black and White. And I always encourage feedback I also co-manage Digital Artistry, where we are open to constructive suggestions and opinions.

A note about Photo Analysis. The guidelines, written by Admin, are very specific as to that section's purpose. Folks who want to post there should read that pinned doc first. Otherwise, Admin will just move them to Gallery.
Rick, your topic is well meaning, not a rant at al... (show quote)


Rick could not be more spot on with his comments. Sure, you need to show absolute respect, but...

The pandering and complimenting usually comes when least deserved. I think it is a big negative for those who sense a social "click" assessment by the legally blind.

Many times I force myself not to comment, not to the one posting the image, but to the ridiculous undeserving response.

For this though, I am compelled to respond...

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Apr 9, 2024 15:49:57   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
One of the things I've noticed over my extended years of UHH membership is there is always one member who seems to add some form of 'nice' comment to every single Photo Gallery post. The prior member filling this role has left the community, to be replaced by another who seems to use the <Newest Pictures> filter to comment on every single embedded image post, many times with no context / realization of the purpose of the image.

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Apr 9, 2024 16:16:17   #
User ID
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Most of the posts in the gallery the posters think their works are very good. They wouldn't want to hear differently.

Thaz exactly it.

Its pretty much written into the Gallery rules.

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Apr 9, 2024 16:55:33   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
george19 wrote:
I try to be constructive, and break my comments into several parts:

Composition: to be nice, I’ll ask what story they’re trying to tell. For instance what’s the subject? Also framing, extraneous elements like wires and poles.

Focus: what are you focusing on? What focus mode and why.

Exposure: exposure mode and why. Why high ISO and fast shutter speed? How did you select aperture and shutter speed? For instance, noon sun, high ISO, fast shutter speed for a landscape?


Only if they ask for help or offered on the fly to improve their work.

I'm never trying to tell a story. I just shoot what I like. Why would I have to tell a story?

Focusing depends on what the main subject is in the photo. (9.9 times out of 10, center spot)
Do I worry about DOF? Sometimes.

"Program" usually works for me, usually at the base ISO.
But I may change from Program depending how I feel at the time.

Right about now you might want to take a nervie-dervie.

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Apr 9, 2024 17:03:35   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
User ID wrote:
Thaz exactly it.

Its pretty much written into the Gallery rules.

And there's always someone who doesn't like the rules.........

Maybe they should start their own forum, with no rules.

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Apr 9, 2024 17:31:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Remember, perfection is an asymptote.
But yes, there is always room for improvement.
It just depends on how close to infinity one wants to get.
(Or wants others to get.)

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