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Jan 4, 2018 13:09:17   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
CatMarley wrote:
The only people that can do that are under 40, and most of them are not buying expensive cameras. The camera buying crowd all need reading glasses!


LOL, True, I'll give up my optical veiw finder when they rip it from my cold,dead eye (Well not, really dead, just crank up the diopter!) 😉

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Jan 4, 2018 13:15:31   #
Kuzano
 
assimilated by the "Borg" by then, guess where our camera's will be lodged.... No funny guy, in the cavity of our right eye. Images will immediately appear in the album in the "collective consciousness"! Post processing will be done by committee of the CC and each image will look the same to all. Everybody will essentially have the same camera eye, and the stream of consciousness will govern images to be taken and reserved for the benefit of the "Borg", easing any concept of "gas", since there will be NO singular thought separate from the good of the collective.

Got it????

Individuality is doomed! All cameras will be bionic and made by the collectives own CaNikSony.

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Jan 4, 2018 13:28:14   #
manpho789
 
Interesting -it’s an exciting time to be alive if you love technology. I was tangentially involved in spectroscopy myself. I am a retired electrical engineer and worked for a company back in the 70s that pioneered in Fast Fourier Transform infrared spectrometers (a mouthful). This was one of the first applications of the Cooley-Tuckey FFT algorithm. They used Data General minicomputers to do the calculations. The system was a massive console with computer, and spectrometer hardware. Today it is down to a desktop unit. I had no direct involvement in the FFT aspects or spectrometer hardware. My role was the development of a graphics processor that was the main display device of the system. The company was Digilab, based in Cambridge MA at the time, and was later sold to Biorad. Of course mini computers are gone (neither DG or DEC survived the PC revolution) surpassed now by small single board computers a thousand times more powerful.

Yes, the ingredients to simplify and simultaneously improve cameras are already here. It more a matter of refinements and economics.

I yield on viewfinder issue- many want it, so that is market demand that must be satisfied. Personally I like to verify focus visually and the big screen seems the best way for me. Also the ergonomics of the DSLR may well remain. Sometimes I think things are over-miniaturized, to the point where our hands have trouble with such small sizes.

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Jan 4, 2018 13:33:41   #
manpho789
 
@f8lee

The curved sensor is an interesting idea-it might help eliminate spherical aberration. Purely speculative on my part though.
Sometimes a small secondary optical element can correct a much larger error in a primary element. That was dramatically illustrated with the fix of the Hubble Telescope. In that case a much smaller secondary mirror was replaced by one that corrected the error in the large main mirror curvature.

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Jan 4, 2018 14:56:43   #
BebuLamar
 
CatMarley wrote:
The only people that can do that are under 40, and most of them are not buying expensive cameras. The camera buying crowd all need reading glasses!


Well he is 28 and when my eye sight was perfect I couldn't see something clearly at less than 6" either. The reason that he can because he is severely near sighted. His camera isn't that inexpensive although it's not the top of the line but he has the Canon 5D Mark IV and a bunch of L lenses. As far as I know he never ever used the viewfinder.

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Jan 4, 2018 15:26:07   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
manpho789 wrote:
Interesting -it’s an exciting time to be alive if you love technology. I was tangentially involved in spectroscopy myself. I am a retired electrical engineer and worked for a company back in the 70s that pioneered in Fast Fourier Transform infrared spectrometers (a mouthful). This was one of the first applications of the Cooley-Tuckey FFT algorithm. They used Data General minicomputers to do the calculations. The system was a massive console with computer, and spectrometer hardware. Today it is down to a desktop unit. I had no direct involvement in the FFT aspects or spectrometer hardware. My role was the development of a graphics processor that was the main display device of the system. The company was Digilab, based in Cambridge MA at the time, and was later sold to Biorad. Of course mini computers are gone (neither DG or DEC survived the PC revolution) surpassed now by small single board computers a thousand times more powerful.

Yes, the ingredients to simplify and simultaneously improve cameras are already here. It more a matter of refinements and economics.

I yield on viewfinder issue- many want it, so that is market demand that must be satisfied. Personally I like to verify focus visually and the big screen seems the best way for me. Also the ergonomics of the DSLR may well remain. Sometimes I think things are over-miniaturized, to the point where our hands have trouble with such small sizes.
Interesting -it’s an exciting time to be alive if ... (show quote)


I think you can blame the WWII generation for the surge in the pace of technology. (Aviation, television, space exploration, communication etc.) The baby boomers looked at this, said, "Wow!" and took off with it. (Microsoft, Apple and Intel come to mind.) The pace now seems almost too fast to comprehend.

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Jan 4, 2018 15:56:21   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
manpho789 wrote:
Interesting -it’s an exciting time to be alive if you love technology. I was tangentially involved in spectroscopy myself. I am a retired electrical engineer and worked for a company back in the 70s that pioneered in Fast Fourier Transform infrared spectrometers (a mouthful). This was one of the first applications of the Cooley-Tuckey FFT algorithm. They used Data General minicomputers to do the calculations. The system was a massive console with computer, and spectrometer hardware. Today it is down to a desktop unit. I had no direct involvement in the FFT aspects or spectrometer hardware. My role was the development of a graphics processor that was the main display device of the system. The company was Digilab, based in Cambridge MA at the time, and was later sold to Biorad. Of course mini computers are gone (neither DG or DEC survived the PC revolution) surpassed now by small single board computers a thousand times more powerful.

Yes, the ingredients to simplify and simultaneously improve cameras are already here. It more a matter of refinements and economics.

I yield on viewfinder issue- many want it, so that is market demand that must be satisfied. Personally I like to verify focus visually and the big screen seems the best way for me. Also the ergonomics of the DSLR may well remain. Sometimes I think things are over-miniaturized, to the point where our hands have trouble with such small sizes.
Interesting -it’s an exciting time to be alive if ... (show quote)


Manpho789,

Slightly off topic here, so most can ignore.

I was an EE/Bio more on HW, signal processing and biological measurements. The first FTIR I used was a huge device about ~4ft long and ~2 ft wide and ~2 ft deep and this was mid 80's. These have been miniaturized down to a device not much bigger than your DSLR. That was 5 years ago when I retired. I'm sure they're even smaller now.

Mike

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Jan 4, 2018 17:30:26   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
f8lee wrote:
Boy, you folks have no imagination....

First, as EVFs become better higher resolutions and quicker response times - give the ability to tell when a polarizing filter is at maximum effect, etc.) they will also become separated from the image-capture portion of the system. After all, why think of a camera as a single-piece device? Having the viewfinder wirelessly communicating with the "main body" will allow you to hold the camera at arm's length or off at a distance on a support of some kind (tripod? drone?) to get the best perspective. This, in a sense, is what the Sony stuff was (though I don't think they sell much of them)

For improved imaging, the notion of curved image sensors has been hypothesized. The current flat sensors are a result of the chip manufacturing process (bologna slices of silicon wafers being put through the process) but more ideal for photography purposes would be sensors that follow a spherical curvature - this would eliminate or greatly reduce the need for corrections in the lenses that today must be built to give a flat depth of focus (not depth of field, that's a different thing). This of it like this - a lens has a focal point, right? And focal length is defined as the distance from that focal point to the center of the imaging chip behind it. That's the concept, but of course a 50MM distance from a point describes a sphere - so lens designers must tweak the design to allow for a flat area of projected focus onto the chip (or film - it's always been thus). The point is, if a technique were invented to mass produce imaging ships that follow a spherical curve shape lenses would be far simpler to design.

Technology advances at an exponential rate, something our brains have a hard time imagining...so these things may well become the norm in a decade.
Boy, you folks have no imagination.... br br Firs... (show quote)


No need for curved sensors with flat lenses.

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Jan 4, 2018 17:32:34   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
manpho789 wrote:
@f8lee

The curved sensor is an interesting idea-it might help eliminate spherical aberration. Purely speculative on my part though.
Sometimes a small secondary optical element can correct a much larger error in a primary element. That was dramatically illustrated with the fix of the Hubble Telescope. In that case a much smaller secondary mirror was replaced by one that corrected the error in the large main mirror curvature.


Quite different than refractive elements. Reflective elements have no chromatic aberrations.

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Jan 4, 2018 17:47:04   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
I for one, hate cameras without a viewfinder. That is the main reason I replaced a Canon A2500 with a Lumix. Even with a Hoodman, I find point and shoot or iphones too hard to hold steady. Arms length to see the screen is too far to see if really is sharp.

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Jan 4, 2018 18:00:29   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Same things were opined over 10 years ago. IMO, changes for P&S cameras have not changed all that much. Overall, DSLR's have progressed a little. If you want to talk about innovation, then we can talk about mirrorless and M4/3.

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Jan 4, 2018 18:56:51   #
jliane Loc: Washington state
 
Here is the camera of the future that you can pre-order right now. Unfortunately, longest lens is 150mm for now.

https://light.co/camera

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Jan 4, 2018 20:04:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
manpho789 wrote:
I wonder what cameras will be like in, say, 10 years or perhaps less.

The Point and Shoot is dead, with smartphone cameras eclipsing them. Mirrorless makes complete sense, eliminating clunky mechanical stuff. A next step would be entirely electronic shutters, the mechanical shutter being failure prone and having other limitations. That is entirely likely, only quick dumping of the last sensor image (after transfer to buffer) being required. Think how far sensors and semiconductor technology has gone in 10 years. View finders could be eliminated too, with only a real time sensor generated 3” + display showing state of focus, along with various settings and parameters. The bright sunlight objection can be overcome by a detachable viewing hood. That should result in less eye strain and easier composition of the photo.

What all this adds up to is what might be called the “iCamera”. It will be just a flat device that mounts lenses on its front side, and has its view screen on the back side. It might be around 1/2” thick, enough to have a few buttons or wheels on the sides. Details can be argued about, but the electronic shutter, the elimination of the mirror and separate view finder, all adds up to a drastically simpler and lower cost camera. And a more capable and durable one. One might wonder whether Nikon, Canon or Sony would initiate such a product, of if some upstart company does. The big DSLR companies have a dilemma, whether to be first and capture a new camera paradigm, vs undermine their present markets in DSLR cameras.
I wonder what cameras will be like in, say, 10 yea... (show quote)


Good points except for the real viewfinder. Proper holding of the camera is impossible with the back screen.

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Jan 4, 2018 20:52:12   #
jzehaz Loc: Pleasantville, NY
 
John_F wrote:
The notion of an electronic shutter is not far-fetched to my way of thinking. What is a sensor - it is a collection of microscopic-sized transisters capable of holding a charge. The light from scene falling on the sensor causes it to take on some charge state and this charge state when processed through the camera firnware creates an image file. What do see in the EVF or LCD screen - does that info come from the sensor chrarge state. If so, then why not just save the charge state. Or does the camera have two sensors - one to supply the EVF & LCD visuals and one to make the image file. They would have to be in the same place like a sandwich, yes.
The notion of an electronic shutter is not far-fet... (show quote)


The Feb 1 issue of Shutterbug (free read for Amazon Prime readers this month!) has an interesting article on electronic shutters and why they are currently inferior to shutter cameras - but not for long - due to rolling shutter distortion as all pixels are not exposed at the same time.

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Jan 4, 2018 21:57:37   #
fotoman150
 
rmalarz wrote:
First off, I'm curious as to why you would use the possessive form of camera in your title.

Secondly, start up a Go Fund Me and build one of these.
--Bob


THERE IT IS!!!!!!!

I wondered who Would be the one to bring that up. That’s awesome!!!

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