I Don't Understand Canon and Nikon
Dec 13, 2017 09:06:37 #
I don't understand the discussion regarding weight as an important factor. I did buy D3400 rather than other Nikon mainly for its feel in the hand and it's weight. In this era in which metal is being replaced by composite materials (aka plastic) in far more important structures, cars and planes, the voices here are mostly anti plastic in cameras. If a mirrorless camera can be produced for the same or less than mirrored, why shouldn't it be the logical next watershed moment in camera manufacture just as the SLR virtually replaced the viewfinder camera in the 1960s. With fewer parts to break down, it would seem the obvious approach. The next is the shutter. Why are we still using 1950s technology. Ther has to be a better way to allow light to hit a sensor!
Dec 13, 2017 09:09:08 #
FZ200
Loc: New York
Seems that electricity and batteries to run the electric car are produced without any air pollution whatsoever?
Dec 13, 2017 09:51:40 #
mflowe
Loc: Port Deposit, MD
OnDSnap wrote:
If they could afford to payoff the oil companies or prevent the oil companies from buying up the patents to electric power.
Dec 13, 2017 10:09:07 #
FZ200 wrote:
Seems that electricity and batteries to run the electric car are produced without any air pollution whatsoever?
And don't forget the energy needed to charge them. Everything has an environmental cost.
Dec 13, 2017 10:09:27 #
PH CIB wrote:
I am not an Engineer or a Scientist…but it would seem to me that Nikon and Canon could just take their recent models like the Nikon D850 and the Canon 5D Mark IV and offer a mirror less version of each…in the mirror less version just taking out the Mirror and putting in an excellent EVF….the Flange Length could be kept the same so all current Lenses from Both Companies would work without any kind of adaptor
Pentax did that, keeping their standard K-mount ... the K-01 has a cult following even today, but most people classify it as a "bomb" {lacking EVF certainly didn't help it}
Dec 13, 2017 10:29:41 #
They would not be taking advantage of the reduced size of camera and lenses when you take the space out, giving Sony an advantage they can't afford.
Dec 13, 2017 10:40:38 #
PH CIB wrote:
….the Flange Length could be kept the same so all current Lenses from Both Companies would work without any kind of adaptor
The reason is because what is the advantage of a mirrorless camera? The reduced size and weight - right? Well if you can reduce the size and weight of a D850 or 5D Mark IV by say 16 oz or say even 1.5lbs, what's the difference really if you attach a heavy lens to it? Only about a pound or pound and a half right? People want light and small equipment that is as good as it's larger DSLR cousins but it's not happening yet because to maintain IQ, the lenses have to be large and heavy. They are working on smaller lenses. Canon has about a half dozen M series lenses for their mirrorless series bodies, but truthfully, they aren't as good as the larger lens cousins.
Dec 13, 2017 10:57:54 #
Yes, and every time you convert from one form of energy to another it costs money and creates by products. Cars can run on steam or on compressed air...but both of these must be produced also...
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Todd Ferguson
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Todd Ferguson
ralphfr wrote:
And don't forget the energy needed to charge them. Everything has an environmental cost.
Dec 13, 2017 11:16:51 #
PH CIB wrote:
I am not an Engineer or a Scientist…but it would s... (show quote)
They are not cars where you choose a better or different radio, at least today.
Dec 13, 2017 11:33:25 #
PH CIB wrote:
I am not an Engineer or a Scientist…but it would s... (show quote)
Pentax had a APS-C Format one years ago, the Pentax K-01. It kind of came and went (I think you can still get an imported Japanese one or look for used). They advertised this less than they do their other great cameras. It uses all the same new or vintage lenses as a K-3ii (or K-1). I had thought of getting one myself but the camera is a bit too basic otherwise for me (16MP, not 24MP), lacking other professional features, but all the reviews I read were positive.
Dec 13, 2017 11:42:30 #
Don W-37
Loc: Bangkok, Thailand
Had a Sony alpha 700 and loved it. So bought an alpha 77 with an EVF. Hated it. Gave it to my daughter. Bought an APS-C Nikon DSLR with a real optical viewfinder. Love it, so I bought a FF Nikon, too. And love that even more. Not everybody likes EVFs. Different strokes. Simple.
Dec 13, 2017 12:03:12 #
To outdo Sony, Fuji, Panasonic and Olympus Canon and Nikon should try to make the shutterless camera too.
Dec 13, 2017 12:08:28 #
BebuLamar wrote:
To outdo Sony, Fuji, Panasonic and Olympus Canon and Nikon should try to make the shutterless camera too.
Do you mean a global shutter such as this one? http://www.canonrumors.com/page/2/ , http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/canon-global-shutter-sensor-paper.html
In addition here is the latest CIPA data: http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201710_e.pdf
Mirrorless camera sales are growing, but more so in Asia than Europe or the Americas. Canon is clearly making good progress with mirrorless and has full frame mirrorless work in progress. Nikon is also reported to have things in development, so we'll just have to wait and see how the technology evolves. DSLR sales are unlikely to collapse in the next few years, even if some really impressive products are introduced.
Dec 13, 2017 12:09:51 #
When I inherit a fortune or win the lottery I'm getting a Sony RX10 'nn' and forgetting about all this weight and lens stuff. When and if they upgrade I'll consider it. However after reading this thread I'm concerned that bridges might be left in the dust as they don't drive lens sales.
Dec 13, 2017 12:11:32 #
Peterff wrote:
Do you mean a global shutter such as this one? http://www.canonrumors.com/page/2/ , http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/canon-global-shutter-sensor-paper.html
Sony with the A9 came close to being able to eliminate the mechanical shutter but not quite. I believe the disadvantages of the electronic shutter can be overcome (Just like the EVF) in the future. The fully electronic shutter would last longer, make no noise, much more accurate and can be made to sync with flash at higher speed without resort to HSS which wastes a lot of flash power.
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