Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
If they make us put electronics in luggage
Page <<first <prev 4 of 6 next> last>>
Jun 8, 2017 20:42:43   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
therwol wrote:
I think it will depend on the business or businesses. The businesses that send people all over the world in some work capacity are already realizing that the same work can be done without travel. Have you seen the Microsoft Cloud commercials? This is a trend, not a prediction or fantasy. If they have to start putting sensitive company assets in luggage, you can see where that will go. It generally isn't necessary to travel for what many people do. The businesses that will suffer are those who benefit from travel. Just my opinion. I don't want to say I'm an expert or get into any arguments about it. I'm just thinking as I type. It's a "conversation" and I'm open to the views of others.
I think it will depend on the business or business... (show quote)


With the cloud you just use the equipment at the other end. This will become common. So a business will quit traveling because of this. Fine, they will go the way of buggy whip makers.
I have no worry about this at all and I have clients all over the place that I have to fly to see. I hope competitors give up as that will help drive business to me. Sounds great.

Reply
Jun 8, 2017 22:32:39   #
DJphoto Loc: SF Bay Area
 
therwol wrote:
I realize this is still up in the air. I believe that such a policy will hurt business travel and businesses in general, and it has nothing to do with cameras. Business travelers carry company owned laptops that may have sensitive information on them, and there may be software on them that allows users to connect to their work in order to be productive while traveling. My company tell us to maintain control of their assets at all times. If businesses don't allow their assets to travel in luggage, they may also realize that travel isn't really necessary at all. The work that their employees may do overseas can often be done from home through the internet through an encrypted connection, up to and including video conferencing. So when they take their employees off of the planes, it will hurt airline business and the economies of countries where they send them to spend money on things like food and entertainment, car rentals, hotels etc.

As for me personally, I throw my cameras into the equation. The last time I went to Europe last year, I traveled with a Nikon D810 and 4 lenses, a Canon Superzoom compact for backup, a dedicated camcorder, a laptop, a tablet and a GPS device, all in the same bag I carried on the plane, an investment of thousands of dollars that I can't afford to lose. Would the airline replace these devices if stolen by baggage handlers?

And then there is the issue of the lithium batteries in most of these devices. Airline pilots have said they are opposed to having large numbers of lithium batteries in the cargo hold. A Jet Blue plane recently had a lithium battery fire in the cabin, and they were able to put it out. They would not have been able to put out the same fire in the cargo hold. There was a case of an exploding headset that made the news a few months ago. It happened in the cabin of the plane, and they were able to put the fire out. I've seen luggage literally thrown out of planes onto the ground, and I wonder if the shock of that might cause damage to equipment and their batteries resulting in a fire later.

We don't know what will happen with the proposal to ban electronics from the cabin, but if they go ahead with it, I won't feel as safe on a plane because of the battery issue, and I definitely won't take so much equipment with me the next time I travel overseas.
I realize this is still up in the air. I believe ... (show quote)


I always carry anything fragile and/or valuable with me. I've watched baggage get thrown around and cameras, laptops and similar aren't going into my checked baggage. I suspect there has been a drop in business travel already, and the latest situation will accelerate it. At my last job, we used to do significant web conferencing, including as many as 300-400 people from more than 10 locations, and this was around 2006. If the travel is around 400 miles or so, it's usually quicker to drive anyway, and I don't have to get strip searched to get into my car. Of course I do fly when necessary, but now that I'm semi-retired, that is primarily for pleasure and I just deal with it.

Reply
Jun 8, 2017 22:38:57   #
whitewolfowner
 
Architect1776 wrote:
It will not hurt business at all in any way. When there is a limited time to get somewhere flying is the only way to get there. Nope there will be absolutely no change in flying numbers at all. In fact they will continue to rise.




Before we had air planes, people got to where they wanted to go. It's all in a mind set; an entrapment of the mind. Borderline being a thoughtless mind controlled zombie.

Reply
 
 
Jun 8, 2017 23:39:25   #
Jwshelton Loc: Denver,CO
 
What is more important - inconvenience or safety?

We need to be patient and stop conjecturing.
As much as I do not look forward to the inconvenience,
what would we all think is there was a tragedy?

I agree with rook2c4, the delay caused by increased inspection may be the answer.

Reply
Jun 8, 2017 23:53:28   #
whitewolfowner
 
Jwshelton wrote:
What is more important - inconvenience or safety?

We need to be patient and stop conjecturing.
As much as I do not look forward to the inconvenience,
what would we all think is there was a tragedy?

I agree with rook2c4, the delay caused by increased inspection may be the answer.





Sorry, it has nothing to do with security; there are already a bunch of security measures in place. Need competent people to be doing the job. This is only about abuse and harassment from the airlines.

Reply
Jun 8, 2017 23:56:29   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
Sorry, it has nothing to do with security; there are already a bunch of security measures in place. Need competent people to be doing the job. This is only about abuse and harassment from the airlines.

Airlines are not responsible for this initiative.
Homeland Security is responsible for this initiative.

Reply
Jun 9, 2017 00:00:41   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
rehess wrote:
Airlines are not responsible for this initiative.
Homeland Security is responsible for this initiative.


Exactly. As I mentioned, and as is mentioned in the article I referenced earlier, there is concern about many lithium batteries in luggage set to potentially go off. At least in the cabin, they have a chance of putting such a fire out.

Unless there is something I don't know, I don't think they have any better chance of detecting explosives in luggage versus versus carry on bags when they screen the contents.

Reply
 
 
Jun 9, 2017 00:35:14   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
therwol wrote:
I realize this is still up in the air ... And then there is the issue of the lithium batteries in most of these devices. Airline pilots have said they are opposed to having large numbers of lithium batteries in the cargo hold. A Jet Blue plane recently had a lithium battery fire in the cabin, and they were able to put it out. They would not have been able to put out the same fire in the cargo hold. There was a case of an exploding headset that made the news a few months ago. It happened in the cabin of the plane, and they were able to put the fire out. I've seen luggage literally thrown out of planes onto the ground, and I wonder if the shock of that might cause damage to equipment and their batteries resulting in a fire later.

We don't know what will happen with the proposal to ban electronics from the cabin, but if they go ahead with it, I won't feel as safe on a plane because of the battery issue, and I definitely won't take so much equipment with me the next time I travel overseas.
I realize this is still up in the air ... And then... (show quote)
With respect to lithium ion batteries, I just took (on May 24th) a domestic flight on Delta Airlines. But at the kiosk where I obtained my boarding pass, a message was added announcing a new policy: all loose Lithium batteries must now be in carry-on baggage, i.e. none is to be in checked baggage.

I interpret this as a sign that the previous policy of permitting lithium batteries to be in checked baggage only if it was "paired" with its charger has not worked out.

Reply
Jun 9, 2017 00:57:29   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
lev29 wrote:
With respect to lithium ion batteries, I just took (on May 24th) a domestic flight on Delta Airlines. But at the kiosk where I obtained my boarding pass, a message was added announcing a new policy: all loose Lithium batteries must now be in carry-on baggage, i.e. none is to be in checked baggage.

I interpret this as a sign that the previous policy of permitting lithium batteries to be in checked baggage only if it was "paired" with its charger has not worked out.
With respect to b lithium ion batteries /b , I ju... (show quote)


Lithium batteries have exploded/caught on fire inside of devices, and every year we read about a new case or two. I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 phone. I took the back off to add a micro SD card, and to my surprise, the battery was swollen quite a bit, and in researching this phenomenon, it is considered dangerous. The phone had never been mishandled. I had an iPhone issued by my work whose back popped off from a swollen battery. Needless to say, I got rid of it, and they gave me a new phone. I walked the phone down to administration and let them deal with it.

http://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/problem-with-stowing-lithium-ion-batteries-on-planes/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/22/electronics-ban-lithium-ion-batteries/99502856/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/laptop-ban-are-lithium-batteries-safe-in-hold-of-plane/

Reply
Jun 9, 2017 01:50:51   #
whitewolfowner
 
rehess wrote:
Airlines are not responsible for this initiative.
Homeland Security is responsible for this initiative.



That is exactly the point I was making. These new restrictions on electronics is imposed by airlines, not home land. And if it is lithium batteries that is the problem, then restrict the batteries; have them in the cargo bay. All one has to do is to remove the batteries and put them in the cargo luggage and have it checked as a boarding procedure. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. The other thing is that there should be restrictions on the manufacture of these batteries so the exploding does not happen; again, not needing a brain surgeon to figure this one out either. We all know that it is certain brands that are doing this and others that are not. Don't fall for all the programming BS that the government and corporations are pumping into us with their lies. Nobody lies more than government, big business and the medical world.

Reply
Jun 9, 2017 02:02:48   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
That is exactly the point I was making. These new restrictions on electronics is imposed by airlines, not home land. And if it is lithium batteries that is the problem, then restrict the batteries; have them in the cargo bay. All one has to do is to remove the batteries and put them in the cargo luggage and have it checked as a boarding procedure. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. The other thing is that there should be restrictions on the manufacture of these batteries so the exploding does not happen; again, not needing a brain surgeon to figure this one out either. We all know that it is certain brands that are doing this and others that are not. Don't fall for all the programming BS that the government and corporations are pumping into us with their lies. Nobody lies more than government, big business and the medical world.
That is exactly the point I was making. These new... (show quote)


If you read the articles in the links I provided, lithium batteries may be more dangerous if transported in the cargo hold. There would be no way for a fire from a lithium battery in the cargo hold to be extinguished. The plane will probably go down.

Every modern electronic device uses these batteries. Ban them and no one will be able to travel and take their devices (phones, laptops, tablets, cameras etc.) with them. I don't think that they have any foolproof way of finding explosives in luggage without opening every piece and hand inspecting everything they find. They should be able to scan and hand inspect these devices when they screen the carry on items.

Reply
 
 
Jun 9, 2017 02:13:34   #
whitewolfowner
 
therwol wrote:
If you read the articles in the links I provided, lithium batteries may be more dangerous if transported in the cargo hold. There would be no way for a fire from a lithium battery in the cargo hold to be extinguished. The plane will probably go down.

Every modern electronic device uses these batteries. Ban them and no one will be able to travel and take their devices (phones, laptops, tablets, cameras etc.) with them. I don't think that they have any foolproof way of finding explosives in luggage without opening every piece and hand inspecting everything they find. They should be able to scan and hand inspect these devices when they screen the carry on items.
If you read the articles in the links I provided, ... (show quote)




I'm aware. Someone else was blaming the lithium batteries for the reason of banning electronics and I responded to that. The solution is to design them so they won't explode. Kinda retarded to be selling batteries that will do that in the first place. Makes no sense at all but then again what does these days?

Reply
Jun 9, 2017 05:59:10   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
Before we had air planes, people got to where they wanted to go. It's all in a mind set; an entrapment of the mind. Borderline being a thoughtless mind controlled zombie.


Ok I leave in the morning, for a meeting in El Paso that afternoon then on to LA for a meeting the next morning. From there return to the office that afternoon for work the next morning. Try that driving and by train. And PS when governing agencies require actual physical presence and observation you can't telecommute. Illegal.

Reply
Jun 9, 2017 06:54:30   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
therwol wrote:
I think it will depend on the business or businesses. The businesses that send people all over the world in some work capacity are already realizing that the same work can be done without travel. Have you seen the Microsoft Cloud commercials? This is a trend, not a prediction or fantasy. If they have to start putting sensitive company assets in luggage, you can see where that will go. It generally isn't necessary to travel for what many people do. The businesses that will suffer are those who benefit from travel. Just my opinion. I don't want to say I'm an expert or get into any arguments about it. I'm just thinking as I type. It's a "conversation" and I'm open to the views of others.
I think it will depend on the business or business... (show quote)


Agreed - it will depend upon the business. I have done international travel associated with business. Frequently, foreign buyers will not buy from someone they cannot look in the eye. Personal meetings and communications are a cultural must, in many countries. And this obviously affects people who have to travel for sales and marketing purposes. Where it will not hurt is for those companies that might bring their foreign-stationed employees into corporate offices for meetings. I remember as long ago as 1982, when one international bank launched its own communications satellite, just for that reason. Now, with the Internet, it can be done quickly and inexpensively through the Net.

Reply
Jun 9, 2017 08:34:27   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
That is exactly the point I was making. These new restrictions on electronics is imposed by airlines, not home land.

That is your point, and you are wrong. You may state this as many times as you want, but that doesn't make it true. The airlines do not want this. Homeland security does want this.

"Airline passengers coming to the U.S. and Britain on direct flights from a number of majority-Muslim nations must now place most electronic devices, including laptops, tablets and cameras, in checked baggage under stepped-up security measures, the Trump administration and the British government said"
https://www.wuft.org/nation-world/2017/03/21/u-s-limits-electronic-devices-on-flights-from-8-muslim-countries/

A new Department of Homeland Security rule bans all electronic devices “larger than a smartphone” from the cabins of all flights coming to the U.S. from ten international airports.
https://consumerist.com/2017/03/21/dhs-bans-laptops-other-electronic-devices-from-airplane-cabins-for-flights-from-10-airports/

And right now it does not affect travel within the U.S.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 4 of 6 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.