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Feb 17, 2017 00:29:25   #
Robert R Loc: Indianapolis and Naples
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Not for you?
You did say you're old time but have you EVER taken a pic using your phone?
If the answer is yes, then yes, it IS for you!!! LoL
SS


I have used the cell phone as a camera on occasion, it is a little different perspective from a camera. But it is still not for me. To use in an emergency, OK, but not as a substitute for a real camera with a real view finder.

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Feb 17, 2017 03:24:25   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
hobo61 wrote:
Canon has just released three new cameras the EOS M6 mirrorless and 2 DSLRS, the 800D/Rebel T7i and the 77D. The 800D/T7i I understand, because it is in every way an upgrade to its predecessor, the T6i/750D. But the 77D? Numerically, it positions itself between the 70D and the 80D and it is supposedly a prosumer level camera, yet it is not an upgrade to either. It has better processor and software than either, but it has a Rebel level of battery, Rebel level of continuous shooting speed and no weatherproofing. So what is it, exactly? Some say it is a T7s/760D upgrade, which makes sense on the one hand, but why on earth use the prosumer naming convention? It's as though someone put a few bells and whistles onto a VW Passat and tried to pass it off as an Audi.

And then what on earth are they doing with the lenses? Together with these two new cameras, Canon has released and upgraded 18-55mm kit lens, but one that has a maximum aperture of F4.0, rather than F3.5. I know the lens is slightly smaller than its predecessor, but how on earth can you call a slower lens an upgrade?

Personally, I think Canon have regressed with this one.
Canon has just released three new cameras the EOS ... (show quote)

That's what Audi's are, they are VW's sold under a different name! (Been that way for over 50 years)!

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Feb 17, 2017 05:44:21   #
Billyspad Loc: The Philippines
 
If you like a camera buy it if ya dont like it dont buy it. Is that so difficult? If you think Canons policy decisions are wrong sell your shares or do not invest in the first place. Do ya really think the guys at Canon give a toss about what you think? Lastly is this worthy of discussion and all you have in life to be concerned about. Get a life bro.

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Feb 17, 2017 05:49:15   #
Robert R Loc: Indianapolis and Naples
 
Do ya really think the guys at Canon give a toss about what you think?

If they don't, they should.

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Feb 17, 2017 05:56:17   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
Robert R wrote:
Do ya really think the guys at Canon give a toss about what you think?

If they don't, they should.


IF you are one of the majority,(of buyers) they do care...if not, they don't

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Feb 17, 2017 06:17:54   #
Robert R Loc: Indianapolis and Naples
 
cmc4214 wrote:
IF you are one of the majority,(of buyers) they do care...if not, they don't


A fine point I guess. But if they put out products their loyal buyers do not like, they are in trouble. Their new products are probably a result of where their market research takes them.

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Feb 17, 2017 06:28:44   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
Spirit Hawk wrote:
Canon is forcing us to jump ship ??!! but to what ship??
IMHO the 50D was the last of a great line of Canons ?? minor improvements, but nothing of great value that improves picture IQ ??
Ron

Why jump ship?

Unless you're just another GAS buyer who just has to get the latest and greatest, instead of using what's already been working for you with your existing equipment?

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Feb 17, 2017 07:34:16   #
ramblin21 Loc: Sharon,Wisconsin
 
hobo61 wrote:
Canon has just released three new cameras the EOS M6 mirrorless and 2 DSLRS, the 800D/Rebel T7i and the 77D. The 800D/T7i I understand, because it is in every way an upgrade to its predecessor, the T6i/750D. But the 77D? Numerically, it positions itself between the 70D and the 80D and it is supposedly a prosumer level camera, yet it is not an upgrade to either. It has better processor and software than either, but it has a Rebel level of battery, Rebel level of continuous shooting speed and no weatherproofing. So what is it, exactly? Some say it is a T7s/760D upgrade, which makes sense on the one hand, but why on earth use the prosumer naming convention? It's as though someone put a few bells and whistles onto a VW Passat and tried to pass it off as an Audi.


And then what on earth are they doing with the lenses? Together with these two new cameras, Canon has released and upgraded 18-55mm kit lens, but one that has a maximum aperture of F4.0, rather than F3.5. I know the lens is slightly smaller than its predecessor, but how on earth can you call a slower lens an upgrade?

Personally, I think Canon have regressed with this one.
Canon has just released three new cameras the EOS ... (show quote)


hobo61
I recently got from Canon the new release of their new cameras and I inquired about the len/s that are needed for the T7i and getting all 45 points of focus and here is their reply:
Thank you for contacting Canon product support regarding the EOS Rebel T7i. I understand you would like to know more about the auto focus capability of the camera with different lenses. I am happy to assist you.

I realize the announcement of the Rebel T7i brings up questions about the particulars of the camera. Unfortunately, at this point we do not have much in terms of resources regarding the specifics of the camera. The manual will have a list of the information regarding the function of the AF system with our lenses, but it has not yet been published.

As we get closer to the release date there will be additional resources available. Feel free to reach out to us in the coming weeks as more information becomes available.

Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance.

Thank you for choosing Canon.
I think you may be right about regressing, you would think that Canon would know what len/s need to be used to get all 45 focus points, as of yet they don't know, I think I will save my pennies up an get a FF camera instead. LOL!

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Feb 17, 2017 07:52:16   #
cthahn
 
This is the second day in a row I have read this post. If you do not like what Canon does, that is your problem. Canon seems to be quite successful. Why tell us all about your likes and dislikes and what you think is right or wrong. You can't change it.

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Feb 17, 2017 07:59:01   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
hobo61 wrote:
Canon has just released three new cameras the EOS M6 mirrorless and 2 DSLRS, the 800D/Rebel T7i and the 77D. The 800D/T7i I understand, because it is in every way an upgrade to its predecessor, the T6i/750D. But the 77D? Numerically, it positions itself between the 70D and the 80D and it is supposedly a prosumer level camera, yet it is not an upgrade to either. It has better processor and software than either, but it has a Rebel level of battery, Rebel level of continuous shooting speed and no weatherproofing. So what is it, exactly? Some say it is a T7s/760D upgrade, which makes sense on the one hand, but why on earth use the prosumer naming convention? It's as though someone put a few bells and whistles onto a VW Passat and tried to pass it off as an Audi.

And then what on earth are they doing with the lenses? Together with these two new cameras, Canon has released and upgraded 18-55mm kit lens, but one that has a maximum aperture of F4.0, rather than F3.5. I know the lens is slightly smaller than its predecessor, but how on earth can you call a slower lens an upgrade?

Personally, I think Canon have regressed with this one.
Canon has just released three new cameras the EOS ... (show quote)


The major manufacturers seem to be introducing too many new models too close together without enough major improvements to make them "must haves." I'm sure they have a reason, but I see it as a turn-off. Sony has been doing that with the RX-100 series. I has introduced five models in five years.

https://photographylife.com/sony-rx100-series-comparison

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Feb 17, 2017 08:08:21   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Am I correctthat there is in camera stabilization in one of there cameras? That iS a major change that will make all those less expensive non IS "L " lenses useable on this camera. The F4 80-200 L at about $600 becomes a "kit" lens.

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Feb 17, 2017 08:16:04   #
Orson Burleigh Loc: Annapolis, Maryland, USA
 
Canon's camera marketing / naming strategy in re the recently announced EOS 800D/Rebel T7i and the EOS 77D seems sensible to me. The seeming discontinuity in the positioning of the EOS 760D/Rebel T6s - EOS 77D series suggests that here might be some tactical uncertainty on the part of Canon's marketing people. The camera specs seem to be pretty much what one would expect in light of Canon's historical propensity for solidly developed incremental change.

To continue the automobile nomenclatural meme, it is as if one series of Ford's large sedans were all badged as Ford Crown Victorias and the next series were all called Mercury Marquis.

I would agree that changing the 18-55mm kit lens to a slower, heavier, very slightly smaller version does seem to be a retrograde step. I have never used any version of that lens, and would advise anyone who asked to choose either Canon's now elderly but still good 17-55mm IS f/2.8 or one of the Image Stabilized Canon 18-135mm kit lenses rather than any of the slow, short-ranged 18-55mm kit lenses. If small size is required, any version of Canon's 'nifty fifty' 50mm f1.8 would provide more satisfactory image quality.

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Feb 17, 2017 08:17:04   #
rdemarco52 Loc: Wantagh, NY
 
I agree.Composition is better with a viewfinder.

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Feb 17, 2017 08:26:11   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
leftj wrote:
I don't think cell phone photographers are going to run out and buy an M6. They will continue to be cell phone photographers.


Heck, most well-informed Canon dSLR users will buy another brand of mirrorless (Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic or Sony), and an adapter to mount their EF lenses, if they need to keep using them. Most EF lenses adapt well, retaining most or all automation features.

That said, the M5 is a huge improvement over the M3, largely because of its EVF. But the M6 is a regression!

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Feb 17, 2017 08:31:59   #
Robert R Loc: Indianapolis and Naples
 
rdemarco52 wrote:
I agree.Composition is better with a viewfinder.




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