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Feb 17, 2017 13:52:53   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The major manufacturers seem to be introducing too many new models too close together without enough major improvements to make them "must haves." I'm sure they have a reason, but I see it as a turn-off. Sony has been doing that with the RX-100 series. I has introduced five models in five years.

https://photographylife.com/sony-rx100-series-comparison


I agree Jerry. Even back in the days of film cameras the manufacturers went with what I called the "camera of the month" club. Most times it was the same camera internally with a different top cover. A total sham.

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Feb 17, 2017 21:35:20   #
cameranut Loc: North Carolina
 
I agree. The 80D shoots 7 frames per second and the 77D shoots 6. ????????
What gives. Why did they even bother if they weren't going to make improvements.?

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Feb 17, 2017 21:53:51   #
cameranut Loc: North Carolina
 
cthahn wrote:
This is the second day in a row I have read this post. If you do not like what Canon does, that is your problem. Canon seems to be quite successful. Why tell us all about your likes and dislikes and what you think is right or wrong. You can't change it.


Why?? Because "venting" is good for you, its fun, and it's the next best thing when you "can't change it".
Shame on the one who forced you to read it.

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Feb 17, 2017 22:09:02   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Signing off. No more info here. Just a matter of opinions. I've posted mine. But one more. I think it's time the manufacturers slow down in introducing new models until there is a real advance in the products they are marketing. The megapixel race has exceeded the output capabilities of printing. The high end lenses are superb. What more do we need? Maybe that would be a good topic for another thread.

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Feb 18, 2017 08:03:27   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
leftj wrote:
Wow, I agree with you. And the M6 mirrorless with no view finder right after releasing the M5 with a viewfinder. I'd love to hear the Canon spin on the rationale for these meaningless releases. I'm a Canon user but this leaves me scratching my head.




I've been a Canon user for 50 years starting with the Ft-b and now use a 60D and am quite happy with it! After reading the OP, I'd really careful about upgrading!

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Feb 18, 2017 20:36:39   #
LaoXiang
 
I’d tend to assume that Canon is not interested in our opinions because we mostly either own as Canon or a Nikon DSLR and if we upgrade it will be to a much more capable, much more expensive camera. We probably buy more lenses.

Canon isn’t interested in us—Canon wants more models at more price points to sell to more customers who Don’t have a DSLR, or who have a really crappy point-and-shoot, or a cell phone.

Trust me, those people are not going to look at any of what we like or are used to. We are not talking about people planning what gear to take on safari or on a trip of mountain ranges in the Pacific Northwest ... these are folks who take lots of snapshots who want to take better snapshots.

(Aside—I was talking to an older pro shooter who was using a mirrorless at a racetrack. He worked for a magazine, he had a budget, he had all the gear he could ever want, but for him, at that specific moment, the ability to take a picture and send it from the camera to the magazine’s website was what sold him on the mirrorless. Since he was not shooting for the print spread at that moment (or at least, not for a cover or a full-page shot) he had all the resolution he needed, all the IQ ... and he got instant online posting, which is actually really important for reporter today (getting the photo up first get hits and Google listings, so beating the competitors by five minutes is Huge.)

Tool for the Job.)

As for a viewfinder ... people who grew up without one will not miss it. Also, the alternative is not as terrible as some folks say. And no matter how it compares ... it only Compares for people who have ever used one. For a new customer stepping up from a cell phone, the electronic viewfinder on the new Canon will be a huge improvement.

And That is the customer Canon is trying to serve—Not us.

Anyway ... I know all the nay-sayers here have done extensive market research, have analyzed the other offerings from the other manufacturers, and have compared sales rates and profit margins, and have done similar analyses of canon’s sales figures .... Right?

Or maybe ... Canon is and remains the industry leader because it actually looks at who is going to buy cameras,. not who has pretty much done buying cameras. The 77D doesn’t fit neatly between the 70D and 80D? Do you really think someone who has never bought a DSLR cars about the freaking numbering system?

Sales people use “feature/benefit.” They say, “This camera has a XXXX, which lets you do XXX with it. It’s great!” If the customer is not impressed, the sales person can then say,. “Bit This camera has XXX-1, which means you can do XXXX=1!!!)

There is a cut-off, but up to that limit, having more different packages of features at slightly different price points gives the salespeople more chances to extract maximum money. having the A, the B, the C, and the D, all at discreet price points and with different capacity levels,. is limiting for the salesperson and the customer.

Think of it this way. You can buy a pretty nice Toyota optioned to the max, or like a Toyota Avalon with a ton of options, or an entry-level Lexus with decent options, or an upscale Lexus with not a lot of options ... all for about the same price and they are actually all about the same car.

Different customers will see different aspects of each appealing.

Is Toyota stupid not to have four set models, each with set options packages, each at a determined price point? No, Toyota would lose a ton of sales that way. As it stands Toyota and GM fight it out to be the world’s biggest car company every year ... methinks Toyota has a clue.

Now Canon is using a similar strategy ... but Oh, No! people at UHH don’t approve.

I’d bet a lot of people aren’t worried.

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Feb 18, 2017 21:21:59   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Billyspad wrote:
If you like a camera buy it if ya dont like it dont buy it. Is that so difficult? If you think Canons policy decisions are wrong sell your shares or do not invest in the first place. Do ya really think the guys at Canon give a toss about what you think? Lastly is this worthy of discussion and all you have in life to be concerned about. Get a life bro.


Charming.

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Feb 18, 2017 23:19:58   #
asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA
 
hobo61 wrote:
Canon has just released three new cameras the EOS M6 mirrorless and 2 DSLRS, the 800D/Rebel T7i and the 77D. The 800D/T7i I understand, because it is in every way an upgrade to its predecessor, the T6i/750D. But the 77D? Numerically, it positions itself between the 70D and the 80D and it is supposedly a prosumer level camera, yet it is not an upgrade to either. It has better processor and software than either, but it has a Rebel level of battery, Rebel level of continuous shooting speed and no weatherproofing. So what is it, exactly? Some say it is a T7s/760D upgrade, which makes sense on the one hand, but why on earth use the prosumer naming convention? It's as though someone put a few bells and whistles onto a VW Passat and tried to pass it off as an Audi.

And then what on earth are they doing with the lenses? Together with these two new cameras, Canon has released and upgraded 18-55mm kit lens, but one that has a maximum aperture of F4.0, rather than F3.5. I know the lens is slightly smaller than its predecessor, but how on earth can you call a slower lens an upgrade?

Personally, I think Canon have regressed with this one.
Canon has just released three new cameras the EOS ... (show quote)


Well, f/3.5 and f/4 aren't that far off, and if the image quality is better then it is an upgrade. Its not all about specs on a chart, but images. Its the same reason why many owners of the fantastic $4000 Leica 50mm f/1.4 Summilux "upgraded" to the slower $7000 Leica 50mm f/2 APO Summicron. Speed is only one aspect of a lens, an important one for sure, but not always the most important. Going from f/3.5 to f/4 isn't even a half stop, and chances are that the old lens was likely closer to f/4 anyway, and like many kit lenses wasn't worth anything until stopped down past f/4 making f/3.5 irrelevant.

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Feb 19, 2017 08:34:05   #
RonBoyd
 
Comparing the EOS M5 to the EOS M6:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Xl28WHiEc&feature=youtu.be

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Feb 20, 2017 12:30:47   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
asiafish wrote:
Well, f/3.5 and f/4 aren't that far off, and if the image quality is better then it is an upgrade. Its not all about specs on a chart, but images. Its the same reason why many owners of the fantastic $4000 Leica 50mm f/1.4 Summilux "upgraded" to the slower $7000 Leica 50mm f/2 APO Summicron. Speed is only one aspect of a lens, an important one for sure, but not always the most important. Going from f/3.5 to f/4 isn't even a half stop, and chances are that the old lens was likely closer to f/4 anyway, and like many kit lenses wasn't worth anything until stopped down past f/4 making f/3.5 irrelevant.
Well, f/3.5 and f/4 aren't that far off, and if th... (show quote)


funny you should say, as that is what i did last week!

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Feb 20, 2017 13:43:29   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Trying to compete with Sony? Sometimes a premature release is ill-advised....

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Feb 22, 2017 10:52:08   #
RonBoyd
 
Here is one opinion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msf0MSoEric&feature=youtu.be

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