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Oct 16, 2013 09:05:33   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
bcheary wrote:
You pay for medicare along with social security. I don't consider that socialized. You have to pay for the Part B plus extra for additional insurance. Medicaide is more of a socialistic program and, as far as the vets are concerned that is inadequate return for the sacrifices that they have made for this country. For your informartion I do not use any of those programs you mention and I don't know what the hell you are talking about regarding tax breaks for senior citizens. I have a CPA who handles my tax returns and every year I pay taxes. I presume that you are one of those that are on the receiving end supported by my tax dollars! :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
You pay for medicare along with social security. I... (show quote)


Silly boy. I pay more in taxes than you make a year.
BTW - People pay for Obamacare according to their income so they're no different than you.
That's the problem you folks have. Some of you seem to be missing a heart and are fine watching poor people starve to death, as long as it isn't you.

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Oct 16, 2013 09:14:36   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
Frank T wrote:
If you're really against socialism, why do you use Medicare, collect medicaid and if your veteran, use the VA Hospital.\
How about tax breaks for senior citizens
All socialist programs.
But I guess when you're on the receiving end, it's okay.


I think you are confused. There is some difference between social programs and socialistic programs. I had wages withheld since Medicare went into effect. It is not socialism to get the money back that was guaranteed to me. It is socialistic to pay Medicare to individuals that never paid in.

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Oct 16, 2013 09:25:43   #
Cragzop Loc: NYC
 
Frank T wrote:
Silly boy. I pay more in taxes than you make a year.
BTW - People pay for Obamacare according to their income so they're no different than you.
That's the problem you folks have. Some of you seem to be missing a heart and are fine watching poor people starve to death, as long as it isn't you.


I have a heart, which is why this is a clusterf%*k in the makings:

1) The server capacity was inadequate to handle the load of applicants...this doesn't bode well for the future of Obamacare if they can't even get the registration process to work.

2) Healthy younger workers are supposed to help pay for older, workers, since the latter has more health issues. The problem is that younger workers, including college graduates, can't find jobs, or are chronically underemployed! So how the hell are they gonna carry the older generation?

Another government boondoggle.

Isn't the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions?"

PS I bet I paid more in taxes then YOU make

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Oct 16, 2013 09:28:15   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
It is about time you went to school and took a good course in political economy!

You don't even know what socialism is and yet you call someone a socialist!

LOL, LOL



bcheary wrote:
What the hell do you think Obummercare is, if not socialism and his other proclamations of "spreading the wealth"? You must be one of the morons who drank his koolaide!

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Oct 16, 2013 09:31:52   #
Yooper 2 Loc: Ironwood, MI
 
"It's what nearly every other advanced nation has in place. Even Italy, one of the politically most conservative nations in Europe has a similar system. And spreading the wealth is a good thing, unless you happen to be an overpaid corporate CEO or banker. More money in the pockets (and thereby greater spending power) of the poor and middle class is what boosts the economy, not less. The more spending, the more is produced, and thereby more jobs, and jobs with better pay. The only ones drinking the koolaide are the ones buying into the myth of trickle down economics and how wealth needs to be further concentrated among the already wealthy".

So what do you think will happen when the 47% of the takers in this country who are now being subsidized by the working class givers becomes 55% or worse. At some point the wealth sharing bubble has to burst. My husband and I worked long hours in our business to live fairly comfortably. We know people who have been on welfare for years and have as much as we do. I have no problem helping those who cannot work. But I do have a problem sharing my hard earned income with those who will not work. There is a huge difference.

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Oct 16, 2013 09:32:23   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
bcheary wrote:
Now ain't this the truth!


Do you know what Socialism means?

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Oct 16, 2013 09:35:57   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Danilo wrote:
If he were only destroying something he, himself built, we could all just stand by, laughing and smiling. Unfortunately, that is not the case.
While I think it speaks well of America that a black president was elected (and that is not the problem), the particular president, with his particular designs on OUR country, is a huge problem. I can't personally relate to his spitefulness toward OUR country, and OUR citizens, but I can recognize hatred when I see it. I see no reason whatsoever to respect this individual, or what he's doing to our treasured America.
If he were only destroying something he, himself b... (show quote)



Have you given up all responsibility for a thoughtful use of the mind?

Tell me about spitefulness toward our country.

Show he his hatred.

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Oct 16, 2013 09:35:58   #
banjonut Loc: Southern Michigan
 
Many times I have thought, that only if an honest and non-beholden person or group were in charge of the purse strings, we would have money flowing out of our ears. No need to be mortgaged up to the hilt to China. No reason to owe anyone. Then we could truly be a great nation.

I don't foresee anything close to this ever happening, but I can always hope.

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Oct 16, 2013 09:39:46   #
hamtrack Loc: Omaha NE
 
Then how about totally inept and a despot?
rook2c4 wrote:
If you think Obama is a socialist, your views must be far right extremist. Compared to European leaders, he's not even close to being a leftist. He caves in to corporate interests at every turn - a true capitalist.

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Oct 16, 2013 09:43:05   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
sarge69 wrote:
A thought that goes through my head about all this and the Obummer care is:

Too many folks say 'The rest of the world is doing it' yet I don't see another system that is trying to have 50 million people pay for the 300 million that are takers without jobs and on 'Professional Welfare Status'

I don't like paying for deadbeats no matter how many times you tell me 'it's the thing to do'

Sarge69


As of 2012 there were 313.9 million in the U.S., so your saying that there is only 13.9 million workers? Stretching it a little are we??

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Oct 16, 2013 09:50:01   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Frank T wrote:
If you're really against socialism, why do you use Medicare, collect medicaid and if your veteran, use the VA Hospital.\
How about tax breaks for senior citizens
All socialist programs.
But I guess when you're on the receiving end, it's okay.


medicare was deducted from my check, as was social sec...I served in the military..was that socialist???????

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Oct 16, 2013 09:52:14   #
PrinzEugen Loc: Canada
 
sarge69 wrote:
A thought that goes through my head about all this and the Obummer care is:

Too many folks say 'The rest of the world is doing it' yet I don't see another system that is trying to have 50 million people pay for the 300 million that are takers without jobs and on 'Professional Welfare Status'

I don't like paying for deadbeats no matter how many times you tell me 'it's the thing to do'

Sarge69


My thoughts exactly :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Oct 16, 2013 09:53:16   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
wilpharm wrote:
medicare was deducted from my check, as was social sec...I served in the military..was that socialist???????


have been moving back to the Mexican mountains for the winter for a week or so ..finally got internet restored..expecting something different for whatrever reason I dont know..but its the SOS from TWATLOW, sarge, Frank T....somethings never change

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Oct 16, 2013 09:56:13   #
GeneB Loc: Chattanooga Tennessee
 
rook2c4 wrote:
It's what nearly every other advanced nation has in place. Even Italy, one of the politically most conservative nations in Europe has a similar system. And spreading the wealth is a good thing, unless you happen to be an overpaid corporate CEO or banker. More money in the pockets (and thereby greater spending power) of the poor and middle class is what boosts the economy, not less. The more spending, the more is produced, and thereby more jobs, and jobs with better pay. The only ones drinking the koolaide are the ones buying into the myth of trickle down economics and how wealth needs to be further concentrated among the already wealthy.
It's what nearly every other advanced nation has i... (show quote)


Do you remember when the theory of trickle down economics got a good run for the money? It did not work because the trickle stayed just that........ a trickle. The only folks who benefited from that were the rich, they just got richer. You are right in that assessment of that particular line of thinking. So what is the solution? How to really make change for the better? The current President is only making matters worse no matter how you look at it.

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Oct 16, 2013 09:57:31   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
bcheary wrote:
Now ain't this the truth!


This trashing of the President is getting boring and mundane, how about the price of milk or beef.

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