full frame or not full frame that is the question
Sep 26, 2013 16:42:17 #
billozz
Loc: Birmingham, England
i have a 450d canon and i have had it for a few years so thinking it might be nice to upgrade to a newer model. i am an amateur and dont really have any intention to try to become a professional, i just enjoy taking pictures of almost anything really. thinking it might be nice to have a little more iso to play with ocassioanlly.is there any real reason for me to even consider a f/f/ camera i appreciate that it would mean changing my lenses, well iam thinking about an upgrade there as well as i only have fairly basic.....but good ones at the moment.
just looking for a few thoughts and comments please,
thanks
Bill
just looking for a few thoughts and comments please,
thanks
Bill
Sep 26, 2013 16:48:05 #
While I would wish to tell you GO FOR IT!!! I can only say... Hold on to your horses.
The way you describe your use means you are still pretty much happy with what you have. While new technology is good and all that, I am not sure an upgrade will give you much more.
Sure a full frame has its advantages and associated cost but, is it worth for you in the end? Only you can answer that.
The way you describe your use means you are still pretty much happy with what you have. While new technology is good and all that, I am not sure an upgrade will give you much more.
Sure a full frame has its advantages and associated cost but, is it worth for you in the end? Only you can answer that.
Sep 26, 2013 16:57:33 #
billozz wrote:
i have a 450d canon and i have had it for a few ye... (show quote)
Aside from having to buy a new camera and probably some new lenses, there's no reason not to go full frame. I would read up on the subject first, though, to make sure you know what you'd be spending your money on. There is probably too much available to read online, but here are some links.
Sometimes getting new equipment can inject new life into your photography, in terms of both quantity and quality.
http://www.google.com/search?q=dx+vs+fx&oq=dx+vs+fx&aqs=chrome..69i57.2691j0&sourceid=chrome&espvd=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
Sep 26, 2013 17:08:57 #
Sep 26, 2013 17:34:35 #
billozz wrote:
i have a 450d canon and i have had it for a few ye... (show quote)
Bill, good question!
I never invested in the DX product line. (One of my favorite lenses is my 15mm f/3.5 Nikkor) When I dipped my toes into digital, it was with Nikon 950 and 995 P&S technology and Photoshop. My game plan was to acquire the best Full Frame glass possible and wait for the FX body to be developed and perfected. I kept on buying the best lenses I could find and soldiered on with film, scanning and Photoshop.
So far... so good. An FX body may be just around the corner for me. :)
In your case, your current inventory seems to fit your needs. That is a GREAT place to be. Unless FX equipment will give you capabilities that you desire, I see no need to change formats. In other words, I would ONLY spend money on items I NEED.
Remember, what you now have was merely a pipe dream before it was marketed. And, 20 or 30 years ago it was unimaginable. If it ain't broke, don't replace it...
Bill
Sep 26, 2013 18:13:22 #
billozz wrote:
i have a 450d canon and i have had it for a few ye... (show quote)
Bill - a good question that needs your serious consideration. I do hope that as a Canon man you can bring yourself to look through these two articles on DX (Nikon's crop sensor cameras) versus FX (the full frame cameras) debate.
It's not my place to try to sway you in either direction. You're the best person to decide which way to go. However, I'm sure you'll find these two articles of great interest.
http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/camera-articles/things-for-new-fx-users-to.html
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/april-2013-nikon-newsviews/dx-versus-fx-again.html
There is another option that you also might like to consider ..... mirrorless cameras. Like the majority here you're an amateur, like to take pics of a wide variety of subjects, but you'd like better and higher ISO performance than you're currently getting. The better mirrorless cameras will give you the kind of ISO performance that maybe you weren't even aware of.
Great website for news, knowledge and fair opinion on the mirrorless systems here :-
http://www.sansmirror.com/
Sep 26, 2013 18:23:10 #
Hi Bill. I have shot DX for 6 years now. I am the same as you. But I decided to go with good glass. I shoot a Nikon D300s. And when I started buying good glass the pictures made a big improvement. But some boys need new toys.:):)
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Sep 26, 2013 18:25:55 #
Hi Billozz, You ask a good question. A full frame is a step up but not as big a one as you might think. The camera body and new lenses will cost you quite a bit for a marginal improvement. It sounds pretty strange coming from a 5D owner and make no mistake I really like my camera but I also made a lot of nice photos with my T3i. I wouldn't discourage you from getting a full frame but it is a big step money wise. If you can afford it without selling one of your children then do it. I felt like it was worth it for me but you'll have to make that choice for your self. So basically I've left you where you were sorry bud :D
Sep 26, 2013 18:35:37 #
Ozz, I think what you need to consider is more what you will do with your fotos once you've taken them.
If they will live their entire lives on your computer, then it will be just personal pref.
If you may start to take some nice stuff and may want to start to give them as gifts, especially in 16x20 and larger, a full frame makes great sense. Not to mention how deep you can crop.
Just don't let the neo-pros on here tell you, "I don't need it, you don't either"! Let their shortcommings be theirs alone.
Like cars with big motors, they're fun to drive.
If you want it, can afford it, get what you want, not what the guy next to you wants you to do.
I'm sure you can find a good home for your crop glass. Get a full frame and don't look back.
SS
If they will live their entire lives on your computer, then it will be just personal pref.
If you may start to take some nice stuff and may want to start to give them as gifts, especially in 16x20 and larger, a full frame makes great sense. Not to mention how deep you can crop.
Just don't let the neo-pros on here tell you, "I don't need it, you don't either"! Let their shortcommings be theirs alone.
Like cars with big motors, they're fun to drive.
If you want it, can afford it, get what you want, not what the guy next to you wants you to do.
I'm sure you can find a good home for your crop glass. Get a full frame and don't look back.
SS
Sep 26, 2013 18:38:34 #
lighthouse
Loc: No Fixed Abode
I am like the others I think.
I would love to advise you to go full frame.
But I can't. I didn't see any compelling reason in your question to go to full frame.
But I unlike some of the others I will still advise an upgrade. I am sure you would love an upgraded newer technology sensor. They have come a long way in the last 5 years.
I am finding the new 70D to be a very interesting camera and while it is largely a guess, I think that the image quality of the 70D will blow your 450D out of the water.
I would love to advise you to go full frame.
But I can't. I didn't see any compelling reason in your question to go to full frame.
But I unlike some of the others I will still advise an upgrade. I am sure you would love an upgraded newer technology sensor. They have come a long way in the last 5 years.
I am finding the new 70D to be a very interesting camera and while it is largely a guess, I think that the image quality of the 70D will blow your 450D out of the water.
Sep 27, 2013 04:15:21 #
SharpShooter wrote:
Ozz, I think what you need to consider is more wha... (show quote)
SS - agree with you regarding your comment about "what you do with your photos after you've taken them".
You then go on to say "Just don't let the neo-pros on here tell you, "I don't need it, you don't either"! Let their shortcommings be theirs alone. If you want it, can afford it, get what you want, not what the guy next to you wants you to do."
You then go on to tell him to "Get a full frame and don't look back !"
Haven't you just become "the guy next to you " that you just referred to ? My perception !
Sep 27, 2013 04:48:06 #
cost vs benefit
How much will a full frame imp[rove your images?
how much EF glass do you have? New FF Body will not use EFs glass. new body = new glass.
if the features your camera offers does the job, no point in buying a new body. Look at glass you have been lusting after.
Do you have a good macro? 100 2.8 is gorgeous
Is there an ultrawide in the arsenal? 10-22 has tons of application
Long glass? 100-400 tack sharp, how about a great fast lens? 70-200 2.8 close to a legend
Bodies come and go, there will be a new body with State-of-the art technology right around the corner.
What I might suggest, if you are looking for more features is buy an older Pro body. Blistering continuous shooting capability ( my 1D MkII rips 8.5 frames a sec) and damn reasonable
How much will a full frame imp[rove your images?
how much EF glass do you have? New FF Body will not use EFs glass. new body = new glass.
if the features your camera offers does the job, no point in buying a new body. Look at glass you have been lusting after.
Do you have a good macro? 100 2.8 is gorgeous
Is there an ultrawide in the arsenal? 10-22 has tons of application
Long glass? 100-400 tack sharp, how about a great fast lens? 70-200 2.8 close to a legend
Bodies come and go, there will be a new body with State-of-the art technology right around the corner.
What I might suggest, if you are looking for more features is buy an older Pro body. Blistering continuous shooting capability ( my 1D MkII rips 8.5 frames a sec) and damn reasonable
Sep 27, 2013 05:32:50 #
Bob Andrews
Loc: Scotland
A lot of photographers think that full frame is "better" than cropped frame. IMO it isn't but it is "different" There are strengths and weaknesses. I have a Nikon d300 and a 18-200 vr lens which imo is a good walk about set up which can't be replicated with a full frame camera. You would need two lenses to cover the focal length. However the increased field of view at the same focal length on my d700 & d600 full frame cameras is a bonus. A couple of years ago I read a comparison article in a magazine which summed everything up nicely. Look for something similar.
Sep 27, 2013 07:05:48 #
Bob Andrews wrote:
A lot of photographers think that full frame is &q... (show quote)
Right. That is one advantage of the DX over the FX, if you want to look at it that way. The crop factor give the effect of more zoom. This simulator demonstrates that.
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/
Sep 27, 2013 07:16:27 #
When you cut through all the marketing hype, the difference between FF and Crop Sensor is that a FF sensor captures more light than a crop sensor for an identical image. More light CAN (given adequate megapixels and lens quality) result in higher resolution, better detail and the capability to make larger prints, things which are important to advanced amateurs and pro shooters.
If you are reasonably happy with the quality of your pictures and have no need for gallery sized prints, then you probably don't need to go full frame. A newer technology crop sensor body will improve the quality of your pictures to some extent for a reasonable investment.
If you have a need for razor sharp images, fine detail and/or very large prints full frame is the way to go but will require substantial investment in new lenses to fully exploit the capability of a new FF body as EF-S lenses for the most part won't work on an FF body.
If you are reasonably happy with the quality of your pictures and have no need for gallery sized prints, then you probably don't need to go full frame. A newer technology crop sensor body will improve the quality of your pictures to some extent for a reasonable investment.
If you have a need for razor sharp images, fine detail and/or very large prints full frame is the way to go but will require substantial investment in new lenses to fully exploit the capability of a new FF body as EF-S lenses for the most part won't work on an FF body.
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