full frame or not full frame that is the question (Page 2): I think you found the key issue. Who wants to be "reasonably happy" with anything? I certainly don't. I always figure that...

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

houdel wrote:

If you are reasonably happy with the quality of your pictures...

I think you found the key issue. Who wants to be "reasonably happy" with anything? I certainly don't. I always figure that something could be just a bit better. Unfortunately, in my case, that usually means spending money.

houdel Loc: Chase, Michigan USA

jerryc41 wrote:

I think you found the key issue. Who wants to be "reasonably happy" with anything? I certainly don't. I always figure that something could be just a bit better. Unfortunately, in my case, that usually means spending money.

Well put. I could have said "satisfied with the quality of your pictures...", but were he satisfied, then he wouldn't be looking for a new body, would he?

cthahn

billozz wrote:

i have a 450d canon and i have had it for a few ye... (show quote)

If you are happy with what you have, why do you want to change? Spend some money, spend time learning something new, get a new computer for processing as a full frame will require a considerable amount of memory.

cthahn

billozz wrote:

i have a 450d canon and i have had it for a few ye... (show quote)

If you are happy with what you have, why do you want to change? Spend some money, spend time learning something new, get a new computer for processing as a full frame will require a considerable amount of memory.

barryb Loc: Kansas

I have a Nikon d300, and love it, and still keep it as my back up. That said, The resolution on my D800 is incredible. I can crop to a fraction of the shot, with no pixelation, and the detail on the full frame shots is awesome. While you can use Dx lenses on a full frame, the pic is still cropped, and does present problems on action shots at times. The glass is more expensive, but the pics you can get with them has been worth it to me. You will have to be the judge..

Tallvol

Bill, I agree with Dave Johnson. I can only tell you my experience. I was shooting with a Nikon D90 and recently moved to a D600. I shoot a lot of indoor sports and noticed an immediate improvement. I was fortunate that two of my lens would work as a FF.
The cost of the upgrade was significant (for me) but there is a difference.
If cost isn't a consideration, maybe you should give in to the "want" factor.
Good luck and post some pictures.

sportyman140 Loc: Juliette, GA

billozz wrote:

i have a 450d canon and i have had it for a few ye... (show quote)

Hi Billozz,
I have a T3i and a 6D, selling my T3i and the other EF-S lenses that go with the T3i. I recently purchased 3 Lenses from Sigma of L quality and also one Ultra Wide angle Lens for Canon. The ISO problem and lack of noise with the 6D is wonderful. YES you will have to buy lenses that are EF instead of EF-S lenses.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

sportyman140 wrote:

Hi Billozz,
I have a T3i and a 6D, selling my T3i and the other EF-S lenses that go with the T3i. I recently purchased 3 Lenses from Sigma of L quality and also one Ultra Wide angle Lens for Canon. The ISO problem and lack of noise with the 6D is wonderful. YES you will have to buy lenses that are EF instead of EF-S lenses.

Selling the old to pay for the new is a great system. Sure, you lose something, but you gain cash which you wouldn't have with the old equipment sitting in a cabinet.

dpaden Loc: Homewood, Alabama

I made the jump to ff even though I know it made no sense for me economically. I have the T3I and M5DIII and have never regretted making the jump. The sensor size is 2.6 times larger and that makes lenses larger, weight more etc. But it also makes noise less (since pixals are not as crowded) and more light comes in from the larger lenses. I sometimes take both cameras with me but when I get back home, only the 5D was used. My wife prefers the T3i because of weight and she can take better photos than me. I know a guy who licensed one of his images from a T4I recently to a museum to put on the side of a building larger than a billboard. It all depends on your personal indifference curve!

gee4time

Stick with what your have.
Stop looking at other's with newer cameras.
You are already very familiar with your camera.
Just keep improving your pictures.
Otherwise, you will find yourself always wanting the next great (the camera companies want your to believe) camera.
If you believe that your old camera is past its day of usefulness and is having some problems, then go ahead and buy a newer one.
Good Luck.

LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field

billozz wrote:

i have a 450d canon and i have had it for a few ye... (show quote)

My test is this: Have I exhausted the capabilities of my camera? In other words: What is keeping me from improving the quality of my photos? The camera, or the guy behind the camera? Of course, I still have to budget/pay for it.

jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

the only reason i went with full frame is for low noise in high iso. the full frame definitely accomplished that. i regularly shoot with 6400 ISO inside.

for headshots..i like full frame because i can get closer to my subject.

as far as outside shots....my 7d does as well as about any of my full frames.

so i guess it's what you are in to..

my advice......keep the camera body you have and spend your money on the best glass you can afford.

bobwood Loc: Fort Dodge, Iowa

I won blue ribbons at our state fair, as well as sold many photograghs at gallery shows. I also have a gig shooting for Perkins restaurants and two hotels. All done with my Canon XSi. So, why did I move up to a T4i, then to a 5d? My photos improved. I bought new glass before and wanted pro glass to partner with a pro camera. It cost a lot, but for me the investment will get a return. Otherwise, I would still be shooting with the XSi or the T4i. Then again, I'm a gadget guy, so who knows. The point is, you can shoot good photos now, so examine why you would spend more. Whatever you decide, make sure it makes you happy. A wise photographer once told me, put your money in glass first!

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Bob Andrews wrote:

A lot of photographers think that full frame is &q... (show quote)

Just so happens Digital Photo Pro this month has an article comparing features and performance of pro,prosumer, and armature bodies. They reference IMO as tested at DxOMark.com which concluded, "From an overall image quality stand point bigger is better and newer is better. In DxOMarks.con sensor rating (which mainly considers noise), the four highest overall scores were full frame followed by a $40,000 medium format camera another full frame, another medium format...and then another full frame. APS-C doesn't appear until number 12." They also outperformed their APS-C counter parts in dynamic range and color bit depth. That being said I fully agree it comes down to what you ultimately do with your output. Web or smaller prints vs. 20x30 fine art prints. For me another consideration is a the ability to use the finest glass at their native focal lengths.

Kingmapix Loc: Mesa, Arizona

FF needed? It all depends on how far you wish to push the edges of the photography envelope. FF performs better in very low light situations and it has other advantages. However, for general photography your C-sized sensor will do the job very well. Buy another lens for your current camera and have some fun.