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Oct 12, 2012 23:57:45   #
Long time experience with the kids and grandkids , she's faking it, she really wants the pics , trying out different looks.
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Oct 12, 2012 23:54:01   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
SteveR wrote:
I'm no economist, but if we just stopped borrowing and balanced the budget, wouldn't we eventually pay off the debt? Is this possible? Of course, it might mean no more bridges to nowhere.


Most conservatives and all democrats don't care to take a hard look at the budget... The fact is is that Social Security, Medicare/Medicad, Defense, and interest on our debt alone accounted for more than the total revenues that our government took in.... These are the mandatory spending with the exception of Defense... So everything that you know about our government, be it Homeland security, Veterans Affairs, Foreign Aid, the State Department, the Department of Education.... the list goes on are all paid for with borrowed money.. So when we simply think that we can tell DC to stop the spending and somehow think that we are offering a rational solution, we are far from it...

I am a conservative, but I also understand that the problem is not so simple... This year, the big three mandatory spending and Defense alone put the government into a deficit of $71 Billion before they even considered spending the first dime of discretionary spending.. Next year the growth in Medicare and Medicaid spending will be an additional $218 billion over what it was this year, meaning that if there is no significant change to the revenue side of the budget that that $71 billion deficit turns into $289 billion, again before we spend a dime on the function of the government itself..

There has to be reform at all levels of government, entitlements and tax codes and we have to purge the government of needless spending on failed programs or programs that were never intended to be in the purview of the federal government...

What we have now in the federal budget is insanity and no one is really doing a good job of addressing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget
quote=SteveR I'm no economist, but if we just sto... (show quote)


Hold onto your hat Blurryeyed, I AGREE ! Lancer
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Oct 12, 2012 14:43:11   #
larryg wrote:
Very good question John. Several things happened. Politicians happened, the ones who lost focus on the responsibilities that go along with being the greatest, richest, most powerful country on the planet. Partisan ways happened, people who cannot see that success as a nation did not come from good things from only one administration alone. It took several things from several administrations working together that put the priority of our countries well being on top of the most important things to do list. Just as it took more than one administration to tear it back down. Being the last two to be specific. Greed, fueled by the lobby efforts of big money, got to the people who lost sight of the big picture and undermined the very fabric that made this country strong in the first place. Partisan ways have us so divided that people would argue about the color of swiss cheese if that is what their party was pushing. They have no intention of ever considering hands accross the aisle compromise unless the package includes a bunch of pork barrels stuffed with their favorite goodies. People bitch about the debt left behind previous administrations but do not consider at all the contribitions to said debt previously left by their own. While the cost of defense is agreeably low in comparison to our national debt, billions per month spent on two wars fought at once for several years and put on America's credit card compiled with interest and inflation will contribute to it considerably. Bustin in like ole John Wayne is what happened. We got involved with people that have been fighting in religous wars for 2000 years and tromped all over their so called Holy Ground not once but twice. Did we stop to think weather this was going to go away any time soon? Dems and Reps have become so efficient that they now have divided the country so evenly that harvesting illegal votes and dangling chad seems to be the artform. Where did the middle class go? They fell under the poverty line. Without the middle class being healthy, our treasury will always be starving since the wealthy are the only ones with taxable income. Take the money out of washington and the greedy will leave. Kinda the opposite of "Field of Dreams". Then pay them with a modest wage an bonuses for the good they do. In a perfect world, Right? I am an aging retired farmer with no hope of affording good insurance. I don't think our country can afford the health care program that is being proposed as it is, but its a start. If politicians were just half as good as they think they are and worked half as hard as most people do just to make ends meet, they might come up with one that would work. This is just my opinion,I may be wrong--Larry
Very good question John. Several things happened. ... (show quote)


Larry, very well stated, but you will not get any input on your statement from the experts here, because then they would have to agree with you that their perfect party is also responsible , and they just can't do that. So if no one can accept responsibility out here, you certainly won't get it from DC. To much to lose . { themselves especially }
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Oct 10, 2012 14:48:28   #
Absolutely beautiful horse , he will always be yours, just sleeping elsewhere , not so much unlike adult kids .
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Oct 4, 2012 10:32:52   #
Nothing old about them, nice.
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Oct 4, 2012 10:31:52   #
Wow, you picked the perfect cars to share with us, Thanks Good job.
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Oct 4, 2012 10:30:25   #
Loved 2 and 6 , thanks
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Oct 4, 2012 10:27:09   #
He wouldn't share the mackeral with you ? Shame on him.
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Oct 3, 2012 15:59:54   #
Really nice set up
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Oct 3, 2012 15:57:11   #
You should take these birds to Vegas , be a great lounge act.
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Oct 3, 2012 00:12:03   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
UP-2-IT wrote:


Some of you folks have absolutely fallen off the deep end. You have let your hatred for one man completely drive you away from any common sense. You have closed your eyes to reality, to what will happen to all of us if by accident or some other strange quirk of fate Romney and the repubs were to go into office. Your only saving grace would be the 5 or 10 million you would have stashed away, and I don't think you fall into that category. You spend entirely to much time watching those dunderheads on Fox news. Before you reply to this with your verbal outrage wait till Friday after the debates are over and we shall see the truth.

You keep talking about communisim and a communist state. You are free to pack your bags and move anywhere on this earth that you choose to. In reality you would probably be doing all of us a favor if you did as you see only the negative in our government or our President. Yes I support our current President, I support his goals and his policies. You will find fault with this I know but it is my right and my priviledge. I earned this right probably way before you were even imagined let alone born and NO hot headed hate spewing hair ball dare try .
to prevent it.
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So you are telling us to leave because we don't agree with the most divisive president that we have had at least in my lifetime and I am sure that you would have to go back much further than that to find a president that has sliced and diced our country into constituent groups and then went after them with all kinds of promises of government benefit while calling his political opponents their enemies...

This president and his supporters are perfectly content to steal from future generations rather than to take the necessary steps to meet the challenges of today... He said as much himself of GW... but when he got his hands on the federal checkbook he doubled down on the insanity...

No one is going anywhere and guess what.... the country better for it as there is a need for the voice of reason and if we left all you would be the insanity of progressivism.
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Read below Blurryeyed, and tell us who is in charge of the house the last two years.

s ince 1940 the Democrats have held the White house for 36 years, the Republicans for 36. In that same time, the debt ceiling has been raised 79 times from $45 billion to $16.4 trillion, 43 times under

Republican presidents and 36 times under Democrat presidents. However, are sitting presidents really deficit spending? Though increasing national debt is usually attributed to the sitting President, it is actually Congress that holds the Constitutional purse strings. The President and the Treasury Secretary may request a debt ceiling increase, but it is Congress that ultimately passes the legislation to do so and has the power to veto any increase the President signs into law
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One day I will spend some time studying this as it has interested me but I never got around to taking the time to look it all up... I am well aware that until this last president that the debt had actually increased under republican administrations than it has under democratic administrations but I have not taken the time to study the congressional make up and the corresponding deficits.. you make a point Lancer but that is not quite the case with this president, in 2009 it was actually Obama that signed the budget for that year and not Bush as would normally have been the case. That budget included hundreds of billions in Stimulus and TARP spending that with the blessing of the Democratic congress became part of the baseline budgets... This is how in the face of record deficits this president is making the claim that he has actually increased spending during his presidency less than any other president... He does not want to acknowledge that 2009 was actually his budget and not Bush's and then he wants to compare his spending to the grossly inflated 2009 budget.

Harry Reid in the senate has blocked any attempt at budgeting since president Obama's election, you can't blame this on the congress unless you care to blame it on Harry Reid and Pelosi, as Reid will not consider anything other than the baseline established under the democratically controlled congress of Pelosi and his own Senate.
quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=Blurryeyed quote=U... (show quote)

You can't keep leaving republicans out of your blame . They are in congress, and the senate. Where does Boemer fit in this. He shuts down everything also . It's just not R & P . Ckeck out site below for info.
Federal Budget Spending, Deficits, the National Debt, and ...

www.federalbudget.com/ - Similarto Federal Budget Spending, Deficits, the National Debt, and ...

Here is a direct link to the Congressional Budget Office web site's deficit analysis. ... One new tax proposal we are hearing about is Value Added Tax (VAT)
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=B... (show quote)


Hey Lancer, you are right, there is much blame that can be heaped onto the republicans... I will concede that the Bush administration was fiscally irresponsible, there is no doubt about that, in fact he pretty much doubled the national debt during his 8 years in office.. And they were his own policies with the support of republicans in congress who allowed him to become one of the most fiscally irresponsible presidents to ever hold the office, but then came President Obama, he has made Bush look like he was playing small ball when it comes to irresponsible spending... You are right to complain about republican deficit spending, 2 wars with no revenue or spending offsets.... even though his medicare drug plan was much less expensive than the democratic alternative he offered no revenues to pay for it.... On these facts I agree with you and we have not changed the budget structure to correct these deficiencies.... but Lancer... President Obama has a gift for deficits, his are outrageous...
quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=Blurryeyed quote=L... (show quote)


I'm not thrilled with all Obama has done, not at all,but I just can't trust Romney, he changes his ideals and convictions ,depending on the temperature .
Foreign policy scares me. He went to 3 countries on a purely PR trip , just to introduce himself , and pissed everybody off.
He wants to reduce taxes, but refuses to show how he will pay for it.
How's this hit you : Romney wants to repeal obamacare , but he likes some things that are in it.
He said he wants to guarantee coverage to patients with pre-existing conditions , AS LONG AS THEY HAVE HAD " CONTINUOUS COVERAGE "! WHAT ? If they had continuous coverage, they would have had it before they got sick, therefore , they didn't have a pre existing condition.
And Ryan is totally a %^%$^%$# hall monitor. The guy is also out of touch. He wants to close medicare , S/S , and don't believe over 55 are safe with these guys, they will pull the money to cover the tax cuts .
I'm telling you, if they get in office, close all the programs they are against, crime will be rampant. Desperate people do desperate things .
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=B... (show quote)


Well, something has to be done Lancer, the debt has to be the scariest thing out there, like I said in an earlier post if interest rates go back to the norm of the last 30 or 40 years then interest becomes the largest line on the federal budget.. and the Fed can not keep printing money, if they do then we really will become a third world country and our people will not be able to keep pace with rising prices...

Just as you fear the republicans and what they may do to social programs.... I fear the democrats ability to face a debt crisis and act responsibly, just look at the democratic bastions at the state and local levels and see the trouble that they are in.... They drove right over the cliff as they either were really not smart enough (Blagojevich) or plainly did not have the political courage to confront the fiscal issues until after the point in time that those issues became insurmountable and forced themselves on them and they now have no room to deal with them and are looking to the federal government and bankruptcy courts for relief.... There is no bankruptcy court for the Federal government and I can guarantee you that foreign governments holding our debt will provide no relief...
quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=Blurryeyed quote=L... (show quote)


A little history so soon forgotten.
During the 2010 mid-terms the GOP campaigned fiercely on the platform of job creation and, as a result of such promises, the GOP gained the majority in the House of Representatives. As new Speaker of the House, John Boehner made the welcome claim that the primary goal of the Republican Party was to increase employment in the U.S.

His exact words were: "We're going to have a relentless focus on creating jobs."
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Oct 2, 2012 23:44:52   #
OneOwl wrote:
docrob wrote:
JerseyMan wrote:
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:
January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the
Congress. At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB
GROWTH
Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking
Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of
the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6
TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac FIASCOES!
Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001
because it was financially risky for the US economy.
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress
So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the
party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party.
Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009
as well as 2010 &2011.
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused
them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on
spending increases.
For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely,
passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack
Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus
spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.
And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very
Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed
the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last
of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and
the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in
Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who
voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell,
what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I
voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th
For those who are listening to the liberals propag... (show quote)


And for those of you who believe that the world stops - pauses - and changes direction when ever a new man takes a political office I'd also like to point out that if Romney takes office we should expect the economy to instantly improve, employment to instantly increase, and the worlds temperatures to drop...I probably should add that the meltdown in the banking and financial sectors had been percolating since at least 2004 when banks started bundling toxic mortgage backed assets.............but of course all this will change because deep down the banks are people just like us....
quote=JerseyMan For those who are listening to th... (show quote)


On the contrary it is not a snied remark like you are making about the banks and bankers being folks just like us that is going to make the difference. Try to imagine this, People with real money are holding it right now because they plan 5 years ahead. They want to see change, Romney and Ryan, and then see the plan and know what the obamacare situation will work out to be..! These money folks and I will invest and get going at our levels as soon as the threat of 4 more years of this jerk are over. You are going to see a great change in attitude and results. Romney and Ryan have realistic plans to start the transition back to the America we love and were raised in and want for our kids. When you have more money in your pocket due to Tax cuts by this team you and I will be spending however we like and slowly bringing the local businesses back to life. Every journey starts with the first step and that will be step #1. Then the total cancellation of this horrible obamacare plan. Redesign this with the help of real Doctors and health professionals and make a plan that covers 100% of young to old poor and rich. Being able to cut the restrictions to shop for health care OVER STATE LINES. This team will do things that help your family and mine at the grass roots level. I am very invested in this team and the plans that they have ON PAPER not pipe dreams. Get involved and educate yourself, listen with an open mind to the debates and see how human and caring Romney and Ryan actually are. You will like the results even if you are grumpy now..!
quote=docrob quote=JerseyMan For those who are l... (show quote)



Bush tax cuts were in 2005 , why didn't you save everyone then with your investments and spending ? What happened to your trickle down theory ? Why did we lose 3 million manufacturing jobs from 2000 to 2010 ? You had 3 years till 2008 to make america great with your tax savings. How will it be paid ?
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Oct 2, 2012 17:10:34   #
Hal81 wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Bmac wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:


How Robust Was the 2001-2007 Economic Expansion?
PDF of this report (6pp.)
By Aviva Aron-Dine, Richard Kogan and Chad Stone
Updated August 29, 2008
Related Areas of Research
Poverty and Income Trends Tax — Federal 2001/2003 Tax Cuts
Individuals and Families - Taxes and the Economy

...............Rather, examination of a broad range of key economic indicators indicates that the economic expansion that began in 2001 was, on balance,
weaker than average. In fact, with respect to GDP, consumption, investment, wage and salary, and employment growth, the 2001-2007 expansion was either the weakest or among the weakest since World War II.
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This is interesting from a historical point of view, basically arguing that the 2001 thru 2007 economic expansion was weak. Of course, this argument can be argued.

But, shouldn't we be more concerned about the economic stagnation during the current years? More concerned about an administration that promised to cut the deficit in half and instead added 6 trillion to it? 8-)
quote=Lancer W/A Canon br br How Robust Wa... (show quote)


I was just responding to jerseyman, with his list of BS. I wanted to show that he listed lies, half truths and innuendos. I don't have issues with anyone that wants to vote republican or democrat, for their own reasons, and what they don't agree with on either side. My issue is with people that talk out their other side, with no true knowledge , and lie to make their point.
Vote for who you want, it's your right, but don't spread lies , that is not honorable as a man, or woman. Your honorability is the only thing you will leave this earth with.
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I think you are the one thats sees untruths where there isnt any. lets go over the list again, one at a time. I see no lies here. Democrates all seem to have this weakness. I guess it comes from the the blindfold thats been placed over their eyes by the libreal meida. How come they all watch FOX news? They all seem to hate FOX news How come they say it tells lies. Just because it not what their used to hearing from the controled main meda??
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He claimed up till 2007, everything was great. See above.
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Oct 2, 2012 17:07:46   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
UP-2-IT wrote:


Some of you folks have absolutely fallen off the deep end. You have let your hatred for one man completely drive you away from any common sense. You have closed your eyes to reality, to what will happen to all of us if by accident or some other strange quirk of fate Romney and the repubs were to go into office. Your only saving grace would be the 5 or 10 million you would have stashed away, and I don't think you fall into that category. You spend entirely to much time watching those dunderheads on Fox news. Before you reply to this with your verbal outrage wait till Friday after the debates are over and we shall see the truth.

You keep talking about communisim and a communist state. You are free to pack your bags and move anywhere on this earth that you choose to. In reality you would probably be doing all of us a favor if you did as you see only the negative in our government or our President. Yes I support our current President, I support his goals and his policies. You will find fault with this I know but it is my right and my priviledge. I earned this right probably way before you were even imagined let alone born and NO hot headed hate spewing hair ball dare try .
to prevent it.
br br Some of you folks have absolutely fallen o... (show quote)



So you are telling us to leave because we don't agree with the most divisive president that we have had at least in my lifetime and I am sure that you would have to go back much further than that to find a president that has sliced and diced our country into constituent groups and then went after them with all kinds of promises of government benefit while calling his political opponents their enemies...

This president and his supporters are perfectly content to steal from future generations rather than to take the necessary steps to meet the challenges of today... He said as much himself of GW... but when he got his hands on the federal checkbook he doubled down on the insanity...

No one is going anywhere and guess what.... the country better for it as there is a need for the voice of reason and if we left all you would be the insanity of progressivism.
quote=UP-2-IT br br Some of you folks have abso... (show quote)


Read below Blurryeyed, and tell us who is in charge of the house the last two years.

s ince 1940 the Democrats have held the White house for 36 years, the Republicans for 36. In that same time, the debt ceiling has been raised 79 times from $45 billion to $16.4 trillion, 43 times under

Republican presidents and 36 times under Democrat presidents. However, are sitting presidents really deficit spending? Though increasing national debt is usually attributed to the sitting President, it is actually Congress that holds the Constitutional purse strings. The President and the Treasury Secretary may request a debt ceiling increase, but it is Congress that ultimately passes the legislation to do so and has the power to veto any increase the President signs into law
quote=Blurryeyed quote=UP-2-IT br br Some of y... (show quote)


One day I will spend some time studying this as it has interested me but I never got around to taking the time to look it all up... I am well aware that until this last president that the debt had actually increased under republican administrations than it has under democratic administrations but I have not taken the time to study the congressional make up and the corresponding deficits.. you make a point Lancer but that is not quite the case with this president, in 2009 it was actually Obama that signed the budget for that year and not Bush as would normally have been the case. That budget included hundreds of billions in Stimulus and TARP spending that with the blessing of the Democratic congress became part of the baseline budgets... This is how in the face of record deficits this president is making the claim that he has actually increased spending during his presidency less than any other president... He does not want to acknowledge that 2009 was actually his budget and not Bush's and then he wants to compare his spending to the grossly inflated 2009 budget.

Harry Reid in the senate has blocked any attempt at budgeting since president Obama's election, you can't blame this on the congress unless you care to blame it on Harry Reid and Pelosi, as Reid will not consider anything other than the baseline established under the democratically controlled congress of Pelosi and his own Senate.
quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=Blurryeyed quote=U... (show quote)

You can't keep leaving republicans out of your blame . They are in congress, and the senate. Where does Boemer fit in this. He shuts down everything also . It's just not R & P . Ckeck out site below for info.
Federal Budget Spending, Deficits, the National Debt, and ...

www.federalbudget.com/ - Similarto Federal Budget Spending, Deficits, the National Debt, and ...

Here is a direct link to the Congressional Budget Office web site's deficit analysis. ... One new tax proposal we are hearing about is Value Added Tax (VAT)
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=B... (show quote)


Hey Lancer, you are right, there is much blame that can be heaped onto the republicans... I will concede that the Bush administration was fiscally irresponsible, there is no doubt about that, in fact he pretty much doubled the national debt during his 8 years in office.. And they were his own policies with the support of republicans in congress who allowed him to become one of the most fiscally irresponsible presidents to ever hold the office, but then came President Obama, he has made Bush look like he was playing small ball when it comes to irresponsible spending... You are right to complain about republican deficit spending, 2 wars with no revenue or spending offsets.... even though his medicare drug plan was much less expensive than the democratic alternative he offered no revenues to pay for it.... On these facts I agree with you and we have not changed the budget structure to correct these deficiencies.... but Lancer... President Obama has a gift for deficits, his are outrageous...
quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=Blurryeyed quote=L... (show quote)


I'm not thrilled with all Obama has done, not at all,but I just can't trust Romney, he changes his ideals and convictions ,depending on the temperature .
Foreign policy scares me. He went to 3 countries on a purely PR trip , just to introduce himself , and pissed everybody off.
He wants to reduce taxes, but refuses to show how he will pay for it.
How's this hit you : Romney wants to repeal obamacare , but he likes some things that are in it.
He said he wants to guarantee coverage to patients with pre-existing conditions , AS LONG AS THEY HAVE HAD " CONTINUOUS COVERAGE "! WHAT ? If they had continuous coverage, they would have had it before they got sick, therefore , they didn't have a pre existing condition.
And Ryan is totally a %^%$^%$# hall monitor. The guy is also out of touch. He wants to close medicare , S/S , and don't believe over 55 are safe with these guys, they will pull the money to cover the tax cuts .
I'm telling you, if they get in office, close all the programs they are against, crime will be rampant. Desperate people do desperate things .
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Oct 2, 2012 16:47:56   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
jkaye65 wrote:
republican wrote:
Ca. Just received half a BILLION dollars from Obummer to help finance another boondoggle rapid transit no one will use


This is a stupid project that probably less than 2% of Californians support and want.


Same thing happened here in Florida but the Governor had the good sense to refuse the project, the left here in the state went nuts saying that he refused it simply because it was money coming from the Obama administration.... The fact is that he refused it because it made no sense and he could forecast that ridership would be low and that the state would have to fund future operational shortfalls... The governor made the right decision but at a political cost...
quote=jkaye65 quote=republican Ca. Just received... (show quote)


Where did this nonsense start ? Who was president ?

U.S. federal and state governments continued to revisit the idea of fast trains as time went by. The Passenger Railroad Rebuilding Act of 1980 led to funding of high-speed corridor studies in 1984. Private-sector consortia intending to build high-speed lines were created in Florida, Ohio, Texas, California, and Nevada. Maglev trains became a new field of interest. They were officially added to the definition of "railroad" in 1988, and were studied repeatedly. Five high-speed corridors were officially endorsed in October 1992 following passage of the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991.[20] TEA-21 and other legislation continued to be passed with mentions of high-speed rail, but lacking funding or real direction.[21]
quote=Blurryeyed quote=jkaye65 quote=republican... (show quote)


Lancer, Highspeed rail in and of itself is not a bad thing... A multi billion dollar investment in a track that stretches between Tampa and Orlando, 80 some odd miles is a horrible idea... no one is going to leave their car at home unless they are simply going to visit Disney World and there is a station in the park....

The problem with the High Speed Rail projects that the government just funded is that they are a lot of small tracks that in some cases lead to nowhere... It was all a political grab of federal dollars and they will be spent stupidly... Why not build one useful track, LA to San Fran, or NYC to DC.. why waste the money on stupid tracks that will soon become a drain on the states that will have to make up the operational shortfalls?
quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=Blurryeyed quote=j... (show quote)


We agree on that , I was making the point that both sides fail. If the 80 miles is a beginning , and it goes to the airports in the major cities, in the future , and disney of course , then they have something going.
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