marcomarks wrote:
I am also pro gun and have a CCW but I don't feel too good about this the way it's being done either. For three reasons:
1) Grandpa Joe can get out his old cowboy hog-leg six shooter that may be too rusty to work because he wants to carry it open and show the criminal population that he's protected from them - although the gun may not function and he hasn't shot any gun in 50 years so he couldn't hit the side of a building in a confrontation if he tried. At least with a CCW permit, you've had to go through some range time before getting the permit, and every time you renew, so your gun likely functions correctly and you have at least some knowledge of how to use it.
I am also pro gun and have a CCW but I don't feel ... (
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The problem here is that you are dealing with a right, not a privelige. Sure, you can demand a test for a driver's license but would you also agree a test should be given before you are allowed to vote? Sure if you carry a gun that doesn't work or you don't know how to use it you are asking for big trouble and would probably be better off without it. I feel that most responsible people will make the correct decision. I agree range time is also very important but if you are going to require it then you better first make sure it is available to everyone in a convenient and affordable way the same way voter ID is.
marcomarks wrote:
2) I've never seen the logic behind wanting to carry open in most states except somewhere like Alaska or Texas where guns are a way of life for most everyone. Open carry repulses non-gun people, you get verbally assaulted by them if a gun is seen, you scare everybody including CCW permit holders because of the potential society-defiant attitude that could be behind an open carry individual, and a criminal can yank your open carry weapon away from you much easier than a concealed one.
As someone who open carries almost every day, I can tell you it is generally not a good idea for the general public. Occassionally I am in a uniform but mostly I am just in a dress shirt & tie with a badge clipped on my belt. The badge stops most of the verbal assaults and not being dressed like a dirt bag lowers the stress level of those who don't notice the badge right away.
Open carry eliminates the element of surprise. It makes you a target so you better be alert. You need a whole different mindset when pulling in to a business in a marked car and if you ever walk into a bank or convenience store you better pause outside and look in through a window to see if everything looks normal. You walk into an armed robbery wearing a visible gun while talking on a phone or looking at your shoes you will be dead before you ever realized what happened. Sure open carry can deter crime but concealed is better because the criminals have to guess who is armed. It shifts the advantage to the good guys. This is where a right requires responsibility. In PA, where I live, any adult, not otherwise prohibited, may open carry without a permit. I support this right but say that you better know what you are getting yourself in to and understand you are putting your life on the line to make a statement. I am always on the alert when open carrying. Nobody can maintain that high alert level all the time so when I am off duty I always carry concealed. I still stay alert but don't have to worry about things like turning my gun side away from people, keeping my arm over my gun in a crowd and all those little things you should be trained to do before you open carry.
marcomarks wrote:
3) Concealed carry has a measure of mystery for criminals because they don't know if their intended victim is armed or not, the non-criminal, non-gun population doesn't know you're carrying so they're not afraid or offended,
Yes, If you live in the right area the criminals should assume everyone is armed.
marcomarks wrote:
and you can carry in establishments that post "no gun" signs although that's typically not enforceable anyway.
Well, this could be enforced as trespassing and it is enforcable. You could say you didn't notice the sign but when you are asked to leave you would have to do so immediately. Also, if you were to told never to return this would also be enforcable.[/quote]
marcomarks wrote:
Those carrying open can't enter those establishments even to pick up a take out order without removing their weapon beforehand. CCW permit holders can slip in and out without anybody knowing.
Generally, yes.
marcomarks wrote:
I'd say that open carry should at least require a permit to open carry like we have a permit to concealed carry so there is some measure of training required.
There is no required training in my state for a concealed permit either, just like there is no training required before you register to vote. If you are a responsible cititizen, you should seek education before exercising either of these rights. Failure to do so can have extreme concequences for you and those around you.
marcomarks wrote:
It also makes life easier for police who want to check whether a felon is carrying when they shouldn't be. A felon wouldn't be able to get a permit to open carry. Gang members with a criminal background couldn't open carry. This wouldn't violate the right to open carry for legal citizens but it would make open carry safer for everyone in general.
Um... what?
Simply carrying either open or concealed is not justification to be stoped and identified. I really don't see criminals open carry. They want to hide it.
It isn't hard to determine if someone isn't allowed to have a gun but they have to do something other than just having a gun before you check. Having it concealed in a car or on their person would be reason to check for a permit then it can all go quickly down hill from there.