marcomarks wrote:
clansman wrote:
Hallo Marcomarks, many thanks for taking the time to spell things out so clearlyI am certainly inclined to do RAW+JPG to be sure. I did not realise that a JPG revisited does degrade, another reason for committing to Raw as its own JPG can be reconstituted.
My interest is shooting horses jumping cross-country so there is their coat colour plus the rider's to get right. (Rider looks only at the position of both and the horse says nothing!)So it is really only my own satisfaction which is paramount.
Thanks again for the explanation.Think I am about done on this...
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It doesn't degrade from re-visiting it, only by opening it then saving it again. Each save is a re-compression that takes away more and more original pixels so degradation takes place each time. If you just look and then close it without saving it, degradation does NOT take place.
That IS another advantage of RAW. If you keep your original files in the RAW format, edits to them are non-destructive to the file, and you can start over to create an all new JPG or TIFF or whatever, or use the same settings as before with some slight adjustments while still retaining the original file quality.
Lightroom, for example, saves all the changes you make as a history along with the file, and you can come back and change things you did slightly or radically, reset everything back to original and start completely over, etc.
By the way, a NIK Software plug-in for PhotoShop or Lightroom was recommended to me that gives you enormous latitude for changing characteristics of zones of a photo by clicking on that zone and tweaking the sliders that pop up, then clicking on another zone and tweaking its sliders that pop up. The zones can even overlap if you want. Sounds beneficial to your need to work on the horse's coat versus the rider's coat as separate entities within the same photo. Lightroom does somewhat the same thing by brush painting a mask that is affected by parameter sliders but this plug-in is intuitive and smart. I've very excited by it and I'm doing a demo trial right now.
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Thank you, markomarks. This was not my question originally, but I had the same questions about this and I appreciate your elaborations on the subject. You have been a lot of help to me. I just want to jump in and ask one more question. Hopefully no one minds me doing so...
When you import your images to your computer, as a RAW file, is it better to import them through Lightroom, Photoshop, or your computer files? You said that each new save decompresses the file and loses quality so, suppose I import them to Lightroom first, edit them, send a copy with Lightroom adjustments to Photoshop, edit them more and then export or print, etc. I can always go back to Lightroom and search by keywords for the first import and re-set it back to the original RAW, right? What if I want to keep the edited copy as well? Should I then export it and save it in a file on my computer so that I can re-visit it in Lightroom and re-edit it if I want? Lightroom will save the original as a RAW file? Sorry if this is a simple question here, I am fairly new to all of this and am just trying RAW out. I was shooting JPEG and have recently learned that I may want to try RAW. By the sound of it, I'm sure I will benefit from it.
Thank you so much for your time. You have helped more people than just clansman :)
This has been a great discussion to follow.
safirej76 wrote:
thanks for the links, I will definitely watch them and learn also. I had a great one that taught in about 10 sessions, but it is on the old computer and I don't remember who he was. LOL, Lifehacker.com is another one who teaches on photoshop too. I am sure if you work at it you will be great in what you are passionate in. I am still working on it also. Thanks again for the info, I will definitely use is. I have a book called photoshop elements 6 for dummies, lol and it's hard to follow. I really need to watch someone do it and follow along, I learn better that way. Have a great day! Thanks again.
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You're welcome. I will try that website too. I have to watch someone do it for me too! It's the only way I can learn it. I have a hard time understanding what I read sometimes, especially with computer-related stuff! Nice talking to you! :)
Just realized, instead of replying to everyone separately, I could have replied in one post and responded to you all individually right here! Haha! Learning my way around this site! Sorry for all the posts!
Tom DePuy wrote:
Welcome.....love what u did with that picture
Thank you, Tom DePuy :) I had a lot of fun doing it! I am learning so much in Photoshop and Lightroom and truly am addicted. Everytime I learn just one new tool, a million new ideas pop into my head! Haha! Nice to meet you and thank you for your reply :)
braz wrote:
Hi artsie welcome very nice artsie pic make sure you dont loose that arty style
Thank you, braz and nice to meet you! Everyone is so friendly here! I think I am here to stay :) I have had the "Artsie" screen name for as long as I can remember. I have never changed it and I use it for everything. I have been "Artsie" my whole life and don't see it changing anytime soon :) Thank you for your compliment and it's nice to meet you :)
safirej76 wrote:
That's great. I am glad to meet you too. I don't have lightroom so I edit in photoshop. I am working on some pictures for work. I tried to make layers to set it up, they are for a menu board, but it didn't work, so I am just coloring the back ground and that seems to look ok. I had some tutorials on it, but it is on my other computer, ( finally got a big nice one) so I have to find it again. They were really good. It is so nice that your daughter is interested in drawing like her mom. I hope to see you here too. I was going to go back to school for graphic design but having a lot of bills made my husband say no to it. So that probably won't ever happen. But I will continue to do what I love to do, crafts and photography.
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That works too. Photoshop is a great design tool and drawing tool as well as photo editing so you can do whatever you want. I color in things myself sometime too and it works out, especially since you can zoom in to every last pixel and, with a tiny brush, color exactly where you want to. For a picture like the one above, I just open both images I want to edit (one as background and one as foreground), I use the background image and I drag to foreground image on top of it, then click the little camera-looking icon on the bottom of the layers workspace (add layer mask). I always name my layers (double-click on them and name them so you don't confuse them), then I select white for the background and black as the foreground and with a brush tool of proper size, just paint away whatever I don't want, If you mess up you can always select white and put it back. Here's the link I learned it from:
http://www.creativepro.com/article/photoshop-how-to-merge-two-images-a-custom-collageI also learned that, if I don't like the colors of my photo or, like the one above, am merging two together and want all the colors to look right so it looks like one image, I convert it to greyscale and color it myself. Here's the link I learned that from:
http://photo.tutsplus.com/tutorials/post-processing/using-photoshop-to-colour-a-black-white-photo-from-scratch/You might have to copy and paste them in your browser. I'm not sure how to add links on this website. From just these two links, I learned a LOT about layers and how to use them, etc. I followed right along with them on images of my own and experimented until I got the hang of it. It's like a second nature to me now but I still have a LOT more to learn in Photoshop.
I understand wanting to go to school and the money situation being tight. I'm not exactly rich, myself, lol! I think, even if I don't make it in the photography biz, at least I'm always doing what I love :)
Lenf wrote:
Welcome to UHH, what a wonderful Bio, and a very cute daughter. You have all the right tools to work with, Lightroom and Photoshop, a great Camera, and taking shoots everyday will really help. Take some time to really get to know your camera, from square one... keep shooting , change F stops, ISO, etc on the same subject and I am sure you will become a great photographer and post some wonderful photos here.!
Thank you so much Lenf! Great advice and I am definitely trying to learn my camera inside and out :) Thank you for your compliments as well. Looking forward to posting more here and seeing some others' photos as well! Nice to meet you :)
AuntieM wrote:
Welcome. Interesting first post. I am sure your future posts will be just as interesting, and look forward to them.
Thank you, AuntieM :) Nice to meet you!
jeep_daddy wrote:
clansman wrote:
Hallo, I have followed UHH for a while and much enjoy the humour fuelled by experience, especially the casual ripostes. I have recently discovered how to print RAW without JPG-ing it. Question : will the RAW print contain more quality than the JPG one, please, where the Jpg has not been tweaked too much, and the RAW has been brought to its best ?
Apologies if I am suffering from more ignorance than usual, but if there's one other who needs the answer as well, then I feel justified. Many thanks
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This is probably the most asked question on UHH. Here's your answer with pictures to show the differences.
Click on this link: (it's safe)
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Thank you clansman for this question. I have had the same question myself, so you are not alone here. Thank you jeep_daddy for the link! Very helpful! Thanks to everyone who responded as well. This has all been very helpful even though the question was not my own :)
WildBill wrote:
Welcome to UHH. Very cool edit you included...
Glad to have you here. Hope you get another lens soon. Better to get the addiction started early :)
EF 70-200mm f/4L USM Lens is a great,less expensive way to start your lens collection. Buying used can get you started even cheaper.
Thank you, WildBill! Nice to meet you :) I hope I get another lens soon too! lol. Thank you for the suggestions. I haven't looked into used ones yet. That sounds like a plan! Thanks :)
Rich2236 wrote:
Hello Artsiegrrrrl, welcome to the hog. Your first posting is excellent, a little dark, but that can be taken care of very easily. I like the composition. You used your imagination. Very good!!!
I would ask though that you check store original so the picture can be enlarged to get all the details better. Other than that....great.
Rich
Hello, Rich2236!
Thank you for your compliment and honest critique! I love when people tell me how to improve my skills so, please, keep doing it! You are only doing me a favor and I appreciate that very much! I can put it through Lightroom again and lighten it up a bit. When I posted it, I didn't know what "store original" meant, which is why I did not check it. Does it just enlarge it more? Do you check this box for each image you post? Please let me know and I will definitely check it from now on. Thank you and it's very nice to meet you! :)
SoHillGuy wrote:
Welcome, and good luck on your Photographic endeavors.
Thank you, SoHillGuy! Nice to meet you :)
safirej76 wrote:
I think what you did is really cool. I am much older (54) and have loved photography and crafts of all sorts all my life I wish I could have gone to school to learn this stuff, you have been blessed. I also use photoshop and am still learning the program, not to easy on limited time. But I have just two lenses the original from my camera and one is a telephoto canon 80-200mm. I want more but money is a big factor. I also want the T3i, hoping to be able to get that one soon. It's on sale right now, LOL. I think that picture is awesome and you have done very well. I am still trying to just get the layers thing down. Having a time with that. Oh well. I will get there. Keep up the work you are doing great.
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@ safirej76> Thank you for the compliment :) I am very blessed to be in school and I don't take it for granted. I love it. I am glad I finally decided to do it. It took me a long time to finally go. Sounds like we have some things in common. I love arts and crafts. Sewing is almost a therapeutic and fun to me as photography. Money is a factor for me too when it comes to more equipment. I want another lens so bad. The kit lens just doesn't zoom in close enough when I am forced to shoot from a distance. The layers in Photoshop are very simple and fun once you get the hang of them. I had to Google video tutorials to learn most of it. I still do that actually, when I want to learn something new. Google is like the Bible of the internet, lol. One thing that helps me with the layers is to always remember that "white reveals and black conceals." So, when you merge images or color them, etc., using black in the foreground will conceal things and white will reveal them. I like using layer masks and that's where this comes into play. I edit all my images in Lightroom first and then move them to Photoshop to play around with compositions. So much fun! Let me know if I can help you learn anything in Photoshop. We can learn together because I am not a pro. It's so nice to meet you and I love that you like crafts too :) Hope to see you around here some more!
Penny MG wrote:
I like your composition! Nice picture. Welcome to the forum. As a newbie myself I will say you picked a nice place to visit. The UHHers are wonderful, helpful people.
Thank you Penny MG! I am already loving this forum. Everyone here is very friendly so far! Nice to meet you and thank you for the compliment :)
photonphysicist wrote:
Welcome to UHH forum and howdy from Houston! :thumbup:
Thank you, photonphysicist! You aren't far from where I used to live! I live in West Virginia now, but I was born in Lafayette, Louisiana and I have family in Houston (Sugarland to be exact)! I miss the south! Nice to meet you :)