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Feb 17, 2013 10:35:57   #
Bmac wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
Well in my neck of the woods your av would be enough to get hung.

You are not from the US then? A third world nation perhaps? 8-)


Another republican heard from...get over it move on.
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Feb 17, 2013 10:27:19   #
I respect that most of you are not cop haters but please stop apologizing for me...the only thing I have done wrong is post on the wrong forum. Apologizing for me then calling me names won't work.
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Feb 17, 2013 10:22:20   #
Rich apologize for your own idiocy I don't need an obvious republican and cop hater to help me out.
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Feb 17, 2013 10:14:14   #
sbode wrote:
I'm not sure where you're coming from on the "hung" statement. Caricature of presidents has been there since George Washington. Perhaps you are referring to KING GEORGE. I can only guess that you get most of your news from "the Daily Show" and that your understanding of history as a whole comes from the comedy channel.

As far as referring to me as a racist republican , the term "racist" has lost its meaning since its tossed around so these days. The more you post the more I see that I was correct in referring to you as "mentally deficient".
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Well in my neck of the woods your av would be enough to get hung.
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Feb 17, 2013 10:12:42   #
I never once called anyone by name that is a cop hater...they are here and thats a fact. Cops can't be cop haters. The ones like wabbit is the ones I am talking about..Republicans that can't get over losing the election. Then he turned on me and used the fact that I was a cop to attack me. The AV I use is strictly to piss him off only. I will change it when I feel like it.. Just get tired of being attacked by racist cop haters...I would admit that there are more disgruntled republicans on here than cop haters. Just because you are a cop don't mean you are a republican..the area I live in is all democrats and we control local elections with our vote. There fore I am a Democrat...but I don't like every thing they do...the reason some of you cops and retired cops pounce on me is because I am a democrat.Period. And don't get your panties in a wad because I warned Bob about you guys that took offense.

And if have not noticed cop haters here it's because you turn your head.
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Feb 17, 2013 09:56:24   #
richard-sports wrote:
The OP is known on UHH as an ultra reactionary and in some cases an ultra Neanderthal, so just take his posts for what they are worth.
He and Donrent are one of a kind.
I have to go and watch the best of Jon Stewart now,,, enjoy yourselves ladies and gentlemen.


He should at least post one photo that is not blurred and legal.
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Feb 17, 2013 09:54:23   #
sinatraman wrote:
I am sorry but this argument is so moronic. Had not the Union won the war we would all be speaking German right now as subjects of the Kaiser. As much as I like Lee, Longstreet and Jackson, I can never forget that they were fighting to KEEP MEN IN SLAVERY! States rights my but, it was and always was about slavery, and how the southern states kept pushing to expand it. I firmly believe that the Union could and should have Won the war in 1862, but God intervened to punish us for the abdominal sin that is slavery. McClellan could have sleep walked his way into Richmond if he had been a halfway decent General. The south is still paying for that huge mistake.

tschmath do you have to launch personal insults on everyone who disagrees with you? I actually am in agreement about Lincoln with you, but look I refrained from talking about Rachel meadows and her left wing commie loving anti American 60's hippie wannabe kooks! By getting insulting you lower the discourse to a bar room brawl and the correct point you made gets lost in the vitriol you are spewing out at the op.
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Lol no name calling?...You should join blurru in GETTING OVER THE ELECTIOn...YOU LOST TOO!!!!!!!!
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Feb 17, 2013 09:50:30   #
tschmath wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:

I did not even talk about the prosecution of the war, the complete bombardment of cities, the rape and pillage that was prevalent, and seemingly condoned by Lincoln... and the killing of women and children, again condoned by this celebrated president, and I digress, if the war was not fought over slavery, as you agreed.... then just why did the south secede? Their economy could not withstand Lincoln's taxes, of course you will not study this and inform yourself... how were they to react especially given that they believed that they had the right to secede... Instead of calling me crazy why don't you educate yourself and consider that maybe just maybe there is something more that you have not learned. You yourself have said that it was a war for unification, well what was the call for the separation and were those causes just? Had Lincoln fought the war over slavery as our classroom teachers of today would like to teach, then I would probably say it was a just war... but that was not Lincoln's fight, his was for a much lower purpose, that of the consolidation of federal power and internal improvements, hardly a cause worth losing 600,000 to 700,000 American lives over.
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I'm having a debate with a loon, so this is over. Go on and think what you want. I take comfort in knowing that you and the nutjob you quote are the only two people who really believe what you say about Lincoln. Have fun living in that crazy fantasy world you inhabit.
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Feb 16, 2013 22:42:00   #
Bmac wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
sbode wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
Lol another racist un-american republican heard from...hang in there tho you will get another chance in 2016


At least I'm not mentally deficient.


A few years ago someone would have hung you for making fun of the President...no offense just saying.


Really? The only hanging I saw a few years ago was Bush being hung in effigy during protests, on several occasions.


Yeah really....sad that's the only one you saw..
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Feb 16, 2013 22:21:41   #
In 1854, Sen. Stephen Douglas forced the Kansas-Nebraska Act through Congress. The bill, which repealed the Missouri Compromise of 1820, also opened up a good portion of the Midwest to the possible expansion of slavery.

Douglas' political rival, former Illinois Congressman Abraham Lincoln, was enraged by the bill. He scheduled three public speeches in the fall of 1854, in response. The longest of those speeches — known as the Peoria Speech — took three hours to deliver. In it, Lincoln aired his grievances over Douglas' bill and outlined his moral, economic, political and legal arguments against slavery.

But like many Americans, Lincoln was unsure what to do once slavery ended.

"Lincoln said during the Civil War that he had always seen slavery as unjust. He said he couldn't remember when he didn't think that way — and there's no reason to doubt the accuracy or sincerity of that statement," explains historian Eric Foner. "The problem arises with the next question: What do you do with slavery, given that it's unjust? Lincoln took a very long time to try to figure out exactly what steps ought to be taken."

Foner traces the evolution of Lincoln's thoughts on slavery in The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery. He explains how Lincoln's changing thoughts about slavery — and the role of freed slaves — mirrored America's own transformation.

In the Peoria speech, Lincoln said that slavery was wrong, Foner says, and then admitted that he didn't know what should be done about it, even contemplating "free[ing] all the slaves, and send[ing] them to Liberia — to their own native land."

"Lincoln is thinking through his own position on slavery," says Foner. "[This speech] really epitomizes his views into the Civil War. Slavery ought to be abolished — but he doesn't really know how to do it. He's not an abolitionist who criticizes Southerners. At this point, Lincoln does not really see black people as an intrinsic part of American society. They are kind of an alien group who have been uprooted from their own society and unjustly brought across the ocean. 'Send them back to Africa,' he says. And this was not an unusual position at this time."

Foner traces how Lincoln first supported this kind of colonization — the idea that slaves should be freed and then encouraged or required to leave the United States — for well over a decade. Like Henry Clay, Lincoln also supported repealing slavery gradually — and possibly compensating slave owners for their losses after slaves were freed.

It was not until the Emancipation Proclamation, which declared the freedom of all slaves and then named 10 specific states where the law would take affect, that Lincoln publicly rejected his earlier views.

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Eric Foner is a history professor at Columbia University and the author of several books about the history of American race relations.

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"The Emancipation Proclamation completely repudiates all of those previous ideas for Lincoln," says Foner. "[The abolishment of slavery is] immediate, not gradual. There is no mention of compensation and there is nothing in it about colonization. After the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln says nothing publicly about colonization."

Foner says many factors led to Lincoln's shift in his position regarding former slaves. Neither slave owners nor slaves supported colonization. Slavery was beginning to disintegrate in the South. And the Union Army was looking for new soldiers to enlist — and they found willing African-American men waiting for them in the South.

"As soon as the Union Army went into the South, slaves began running away from plantations to Union lines," Foner says. "And this forced the question of slavery onto the national agenda."

"Almost from the very beginning of the Civil War, the federal government had to start making policy and they said, 'Well, we're going to treat these people as free. We're not going to send them back into the slave-holding regions,'" Foner says. "And the Army opened itself up to the enlistment of black men. And by the end of the Civil War, 200,000 black men had served in the Union Army and Navy. And envisioning blacks as soldiers is a very, very different idea of their future role in American society. It's the black soldiers and their role which really begins as the stimulus in Lincoln's change [with regard to] racial attitudes and attitudes toward America as an interracial society in the last two years of his life."
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Feb 16, 2013 22:18:36   #
Let me enter into this gun debate with my own thought....“What Reagan was able to do so successfully was to lay out a firm, tough and pure position and hold to it while things shook down and the other side moved, and waiting for them to come much closer to where he wanted them to be,” said Norman J. Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute. “I see Obama’s public statements on guns now being much more of that than anything else.”

The legislative process should begin by the end of February, when Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) plans to stitch together several proposals, including requiring background checks for all gun buyers, making gun trafficking a federal crime for the first time and limiting the size of ammunition magazines.

Expansion of background checks is the most popular proposal and enjoys overwhelming support in public polls. Four key lawmakers — Sens. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.), Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) — are drafting the legislative framework for a deal.

To accommodate gun rights proponents, the legislation could include limited exceptions for guns transferred between family members or rented for sporting purposes, according to senior aides.

For decades, liberal lawmakers — many of whom represent cities plagued by gun violence — have pushed for additional gun restrictions. They’ve wanted to reinstate an assault weapons ban ever since one version expired in 2004.

At a news conference last week, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.) of Baltimore spoke about the shooting death of a 20-year-old nephew and said he sympathized with victims’ families.

“It is a painful thing to see your blood splattered on the walls of an apartment, to see tissue from your loved one splattered on walls,” Cummings said. “I understand why they are desperate for action.”

Over the years, however, action has been stymied by more moderate Democrats. Party leaders have steered away from discussions of guns — a strategy designed to win over moderate swing voters. But top Democrats think the Newtown school shooting, in which 20 children and six adults died, altered the political landscape.

Yes we do.
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Feb 16, 2013 22:15:52   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Hey Elfstop..... You're an idiot.

Elfstop wrote:
So how do you explain the villainization of people like Sara Palin and her map after the shooting of Gaby Giffords, or the villainization of the Tea Party... or the recent lobbying for the return of the Fairness Doctrine by progressive politicians... Or for that matter the concern the media displays for PC speech in our country today? It would seem to me that there is a longing by a group in this country for the silence of dissenting thought... Why was the OWS as they attempted to shut down metropolitan business centers while at the same time conservatives were savaged for confronting their own members of congress?

Hey Elfstop..... You're and idiot.


I found this posted by someone else on the internet...busted.
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And you are a poser that got caught...fess up.
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Feb 16, 2013 22:08:24   #
Dang bro...you are upset cause your guy lost...wow.
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Feb 16, 2013 21:57:57   #
OK no one believes you are coming up with this nonsense on your own..reveal your sources.
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Feb 16, 2013 20:26:42   #
So how do you explain the villainization of people like Sara Palin and her map after the shooting of Gaby Giffords, or the villainization of the Tea Party... or the recent lobbying for the return of the Fairness Doctrine by progressive politicians... Or for that matter the concern the media displays for PC speech in our country today? It would seem to me that there is a longing by a group in this country for the silence of dissenting thought... Why was the OWS as they attempted to shut down metropolitan business centers while at the same time conservatives were savaged for confronting their own members of congress?


I found this posted by someone else on the internet...busted.
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