RustyEire wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Oh?, do you mean this William Tecumseh Sherman? The American hero who pursued the Indians with the same aggressive hostility as he did his fellow American citizens?
If I'm not mistaken, O UHH History Maven, ol' William Tecumseh's "aggressive hostility" was toward those same fellow American citizens who started the whole shebang by lobbing a little aggressive hostility on Fort Sumter. You reap what you sow, Brutha Blurry, you reap what you sow. . . .
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LOL, South Carolina had by all rights seceded from the union and in concert with the constitution and the founding documents supporting the constitution... Lincoln's perspective that states could not secede was not the popular interpretation of the constitution at the time... Lincoln at his sole discretion and of his own authority decided that secession was unconstitutional and set our country at war against itself, his opinion was widely argued against both in the north and in his home state.. Lincoln imprisoned dissenters and critics and even ordered his soldiers to shoot and kill hundreds in NYC who protested the conscription of citizens into his union army.
Lincoln ordered the resupply of Ft. Sumter specifically to engage the south into the war, he was not about to negotiate on his precious tariffs nor was he willing to lose the taxation revenues that the south would provide for his ambition...
Fort Sumter, what were North's losses during that infamous battle? Oh, it seems that a northern soldier burned his own eyebrows off and the Union army shot one of their own in a 100 gun salute... Now that was well worth the start of a struggle that would see the greatest loss of life during any human conflict prior... What is worse Lincoln saw fit to kill his own people simply for his own ambition.
In his first inaugural address Lincoln clearly states that there is he has no conflict with slavery and that he will enforce the federal laws which will return run away slaves back to their owners.... he states that there need not be bloodshed over these issues.... but he clearly states that he will go to war over his ability to collect the tarriffs which had the year before been more than doubled which greatly harmed the economy of the south while protecting the industry of the north....
During and at the close of the war Lincoln worked on the expatriation of the slaves to Liberia and to Central and South America, he more than once stated that he did not see the races as being equal and that both races would suffer if blacks were allowed to remain in the country after their emancipation.
Should you believe otherwise consider these words from his first inaugural address.... If you need further documentation
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"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
"That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depend; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes."
"No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall in consequence of any law or regulation therein be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."
"It is scarcely questioned that this provision was intended by those who made it for the reclaiming of what we call fugitive slaves; and the intention of the lawgiver is the law. All members of Congress swear their support to the whole Constitutionto this provision as much as to any other. To the proposition, then, that slaves whose cases come within the terms of this clause "shall be delivered up" their oaths are unanimous. "
"The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere. "
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Or these words spoken to a group of African Americans invited to the White House to discuss their future after emancipation...
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This afternoon the President of the United States gave an audience to a committee of colored men at the White House. They were introduced by Rev. J. Mitchell, Commissioner of Emigration, E. M. Thomas, the chairman, remarked that they were there by invitation to hear what the Executive had to say to them.
Having all been seated, the President, after a few preliminary observations, informed them that a sum of money had been appropriated by Congress, and placed at his disposition, for the purpose of aiding the colonization, in some country, of the people, or a portion of them, of African descent, thereby making it his duty, as it had for a long time been his inclination, to favor that cause. And why, he asked, should the people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss; but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think. Your race suffer very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason, at least, why we should be separated. You here are free men, I suppose.
A voice"Yes, sir!"
Perhaps you have long been free, or all your lives. Your race are suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted on any people. But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. You are cut off from many of the advantages which the other race enjoys. The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best when free, but on this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours. Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is still upon you. I do not propose to discuss this, but to present it as a fact, with which we have to deal. I cannot alter it if I would. It is a fact about which we all think and feel alike, I and you. We look to our condition. Owing to the existence of the two races on this continent, I need not recount to you the effects upon white men, growing out of the institution of slavery.
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In Lincoln's writings you can witness the disparaging language he used when describing the black race as an inferior race....
Lincoln was not the saint that our modern historians would have you believe he was, nor was the Civil War as black and white as they would have you believe.