Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

Really? I wasn't aware conservatives were dishonest or unfair. :roll:

KW Conch Loc: USA

Bmac, I stand by my statement. Present company excluded, of course.

Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

But of course. :-D :-D

Mattie

[[I also know of a number of people who are scamming the system. I don't know why they are allowed to get away with it. It has been going on for decades and nothing seems to change. What upsets me is that conservatives blame it on Obama and it was going on long before he came into politics. ]] KW Conch
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It might indeed have been going on for decades... but does it have to continue even more so under Obama's watch... As much as he blamed Bush for the dish soap the maids use to the toilet seat he's forced to sit on when he got elected. Remember the toilet seat that cost a fortune? Remember those jokers who went on a convention who got caught having wine while in the bathtub..... ??????

How far do you have to go without admitting the giant spending the Obama's do (and allow others to do as well) without a thought in the world. All they want to do is take vacations, vacations and more vacations... costing those plane hops in gas a fortune... but hey.... why should he care.. it's not out of his pocket... He NEVER stays in the Oval office anyway... he's out catta-poopin' around the world spreading his cheer to the roaring crowds... The spending those two do would literally blow your mind if we really knew how much they do spend. What ever happened to a microphone on his desk if he wants to give a message?

If Obama's so concerned about the welfare so much.. why doesnt he have people looking into the fraud in all of it....as well as medicare, instead of wanting to add more and more $$$$'s to the budget saying how hard up we are for money. How about stop giving all these countries who hate us MONEY......?? Remember when the war was winding down.. and the Military left all those vehicles, tanks, etc behind.... How loose can one be with money that is FREE to spend as you like. Look what Obama did when our drone accidently lost it's way and landed in Iran... ONLY for the Iranians to keep it and study it to know exactly how it was built... why didnt Obama bomb the daylights out of it.. but no.. he let it stay and nothing was ever mentioned again about it.. thanks to the 'smitten' media who LOVES him.. Now.. the Iranians know how it's made.... as they smile and say.... Thanks... Obama!!

If half the people who are on food stamps, how do you know they really need it? And if a couple bought a BIG house... way above their means...then was laid off.. and when the unemployment checks ran out a year or so later... they file for disability..... that outta tell you something... especially when they say they can't pay their house notes... well who bought that huge house with tremendous payments to begin with... was it Santa Claus?????? I know several people who were on unemployment checks... but never looked for work....not ever.. all they did was search the interent and write down something... sent it in.. to get the next 6 weeks checks...

These kinds of people are living ABOVE their means.... and expect the Govt with their bailouts... Obama is the biggest spend of taxpayers money of all the Presidents we have had... Look what that trip to Fla... cost the taxpayers to play with Tiger Woods... while Michelle went skiing in Colorado.... how many more vacations can they come up with....They just had a 3 week vacation in dec and Jan.. Michelle and Obama spend taxpayers money on THEMSELVES.... and their pleasure... His limo has to follow him in another plane along with AirForce 1 plane... think about the cost of two planes.... Did you know he sends a plane to Chicago every 10 yo 14 days for his barber to come cut his hair.. then he planes him back again.. do you honestly think Obama paid for that... ????? Yet everyone made fun of that Senator who spent 400 bucks on a haircut...

When we bought our house.. we knew exactly how much money we had to spare... how much the payments would be and we never LIVED above our means.... NOT EVER... There were a jillion things I might liked to have had... but I had sense enough to know we couldnt afford it either... So you can blame all this on Obama with his GIVE AWAYS... just like those stupid cell phones he's to give away...What for ---- who're they gonna call.... their drug dealers?

You know.. I went down here to the cheap clinic when I was sick and had no job (I had to pay a percentage of the bill - like 60%... and I was astounded to see the people sitting around in their chairs yakking on their cell phones... I would have loved to have one.. but I couldnt afford it nor the monthly fee either... so how could these supposedly poorer than poor people have a cell phone with monthly payments ... yet sit in a cheap clinic.... it literally blows the mind.

When people are cut off from their unemployment checks they've been on for over a year....( I only got 6 weeks) they file for disability... now that really makes sense.... much like Jesse Jackson Jr... remember him? Stealing to pay for having something done at his Million dollar mansion.... there is greed every where.. and until Obama gets to the source of the thefts of these programs... it will continue... but he either doesnt give a rip.. or is too lazy to do anything about it.. or it's takes up too much of his vacation time to worry about such things.. hoping it will be passed on to the next president... I sincerely hope the people blame EVERYTHING on Obama just as he blamed every thing on Bush..

KW Conch Loc: USA

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You would probably be surprised to learn that Obama has been away from the White House less than many of his predecessors. But, he is singled out by the haters.
I simply said that these issues have been going on for decades and you want to blame it all on Obama.
As for the free cell phones...that Obama started the program is another myth promoted by the right wing. The program was started under Bush.

http://www.disabled-world.com/communication/obamaphone.php

Mattie

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If it was Bush.. Obama could have easily stopped it couldn't he????

KW Conch Loc: USA

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That's not the point. The point is that the right wing is calling it an Obamaphone implying that he started it.

Mattie

That's not the point. The point is that the right wing is calling it an Obamaphone implying that he started it.
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http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2011604/pg1

Obama might not have started it... but does he have to continue it??? A'Obama Phone' Giveaway Program Benefits Major Obama Donors.

A wireless company profiting from the so-called “Obama phone” giveaway program is run by a prominent Democratic donor whose wife has raised more than $1.5 million for the president since 2007.

Since 1985 the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has operated a program called Lifeline, originally designed to provide free landline phone service for low-income individuals. The government subsidizes telecommunications firms providing the service, and those firms also pass on costs to customers via the “Universal Service Charge” on their phone bills.

The program expanded to include cell phones in 2008. That change has rapidly increased the cost to the federal government—$1.6 billion in 2011, up from $772 million in 2008. The number of Lifeline beneficiaries rose from 7.1 million to 12.5 million during the same period; cell phones account for roughly half of that 12.5 million.

One of the major providers of the free cell phones—3.8 million subscribers as of late 2011—is Miami-based TracFone Wireless, a company whose president and CEO, Frederick “F.J.” Pollak, has donated at least $156,500 to Democratic candidates and committees this cycle, including at least $50,000 to the Obama campaign.

Pollak’s wife, Abigail, is a campaign bundler for Obama who has raised more than $632,000 for the president this cycle, and more than $1.5 million since 2007. She has personally contributed more than $200,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008.

The Pollaks hosted Obama at their Miami Beach home in June for a $40,000-per-plate fundraising dinner, and hosted a similar event with Michelle Obama in July 2008. The couple personally donated a combined $66,200 to Obama’s reelection effort that year. Visitor logs indicate that Frederick and Abigail Pollak have visited the White House seven times. So this is one way to get CONTRIBUTIONS is GIVE stuff away for VOTES.

In the third quarter of 2008, when Bush was president, the Census Bureau estimated that 44.4 percent of Americans were enrolled in at least one government program. (The Census Bureau could not provide us with the fourth quarter of 2008.) To be sure, that number has gone up under Obama. In the second quarter of 2011, it was 49 percent (see table 2). (The second quarter statistics were released this month and are the most recent available.)

The two programs with the largest enrollments under both presidents were, in order, Medicaid and Social Security.

Under Bush, 23.8 percent of Americans were on Medicaid, and under Obama, the figure is 26.4 percent. But enrollment in Medicaid, which provides health care for low-income Americans, is driven in large part by economic factors.

Social Security, on the other hand, is driven by an aging population, and the percentage of Americans on that, too, has gone up under Obama. It was 14.9 percent under Bush, and 16.2 percent under Obama.