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Dec 28, 2014 18:25:07   #
RichardQ wrote:
Thank you for your comments and interest, Sdaupanner. I bow to your expertise, but I doubt that you ever had the good luck to find a whole gold bar of any size in your pan!:thumbup: :D The gold bars found in the Merkers mine in 1945 were mostly from Berlin's national bank, but who can tell how many of the bars had been remelted from bars stolen from banks in France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Roumania, Hungary, and Russia from 1939 to 1945? I doubt that there was a standard weight measured each time the Nazis remelted them, but if that was done, it would have been in grams, not ounces. The Army's Monuments men were not involved in evaluating the contents of the 7,000 sacks of gold bars, and the men who handled them were not specialists -- their assignment was to remove them to a safer place for storage and later combine them with other gold hoards found in many other mines. As far as the Army was concerned, they counted the bars when the sacks were unpacked, and then stored them in Frankfurt. Responsibility for that mountain of gold was eventually transferred several times, opening a lot of loopholes for theft. The various nations who were Nazi victims never fully recouped their losses and finally gave up. Meanwhile, I wish you luck on your panning.
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I live in South Dakota and I am in the summer taking tourists out panning for the yella metal , here in the Black Hills the only ones that make money are the big corporations Homestake went out of business in2001 and now all we have is Wharf and they do surface mining .... us little guys are more into mining the tourists pockets but at a reasonable price. I have followed your writings for the past few days you would have had a lot of fun with my dad he was well versed on the second world war . Thank You for helping us young bucks understand a bit of what a whole world never really understood!!!
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Dec 28, 2014 15:38:13   #
RichardQ wrote:
Dr. Wilk, I've been studying the Tripartite Gold Commission's final report (1959). I'm somewhat puzzled by what appears to be obfuscation. Correct me, please, if I'm wrong, but I assume the Army would have inventoried the gold bars as so-and-so many bars, not as so-and-so many ounces. That would be the way to ensure that any quantity discrepancies would become evident as time passed. The TGC report, however, states: "By July 1948 a total of 9,849,169 ounces of gold in bars, coins or pieces had been deposited with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York or the Bank of England or was still being held at the Foreign Exchange Depository in Frankfurt by the U.S. military authorities." I'm aware that banks measure gold deposits in ounces, but at some stage the number of bars was converted to ounces by somebody, and I presume a record was kept of that conversion. I'd love to compare that to the original inventory taken at the mine. The grand total rose by another millon ounces during the next 26 years, indicating significant traffic volume in the gold storage areas.

Also, the fact that the bars were split up between New York, London, and Frankfurt reveals there was a lot of handling and shipping involved, exposing the gold to possible losses. As I mentioned earlier, the Army was engaged in drastic down-sizing and redeployments in 1945 to 1950, which meant frequent personnel changes among the officers and enlisted men assigned to guard, manage, and ship the gold.

According to the TGC, 80 percent of the total gold pool was distributed to the claimant Governments by November, 1950. The last two gold bars (net 797.539 ounces of fine gold) were recovered from "German financial authorities" on Sept. 27, 1996. They apparently were originally Belgian Central Bank gold bars looted by the Nazis, remelted by the Reichsbank and given false identification marks (Prussian State Mint insignia and a 1938 date stamp). But the Reichsbank had meticulous paper records that proved their real heritage.
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I have followed you and most of what you say is true but and I know there is always a but .... Gold and I am a prospector so I might be wrong as to the army but even in the 1800,s when the government was dealing with gold measures it was never in Gold Bars so to say it was in how much each gold bar weighs in Ounces. Each gold bar would weight a certain amount in ounces and would have a small difference between the bars and weighing the bars in ounces would take no longer than weighing of any other precious metal ... must be exact one ounce does not matter much as gold was only 35 dollars an ounce but say 1000 ounces in all of the bars would make a monetary difference of much.
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Dec 28, 2014 00:35:11   #
I am also Vietnam Era. and have many friends that tasted the conditions of a police action .... Your stories or memories from that time are those that people like my self have read in story book and I am not sure how much has been embellished to the point that there is little left to believe. I like what you are doing please continue.

DGB/USAF/42 BOMB WING SAC
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Dec 27, 2014 23:41:04   #
Seemed like a pretty good guy, OH well so the ball bounces!
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Dec 27, 2014 22:49:34   #
By the way did he ever sell it ....
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Dec 27, 2014 22:48:24   #
He made the correction and explained where he went wrong ... and to add a voice to the echo I did not see where anyone was doing anything wrong except having fun with the advertized price. I think that dandekarv got up on the wrong side of the bed or maybe it is his sweater and golf visor who knows.
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Dec 27, 2014 22:17:09   #
I was wondering how many clicks? And I went on to Amazon and they have the same thing there for 185.00 to 350.00 new to used.I am not saying a lot but I think that you are over priced ..... but I am out of money to bid on the camera.
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Dec 27, 2014 20:22:12   #
Schools now a days don't teach people to read .... every thing is video!!!
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Dec 27, 2014 17:13:24   #
I am also I know they are in New England and I will have to see if the EX's will even talk to me..... I have a couple that my oldest dug up .... I hang my head in shame. Long Hair , Bell Bottoms, High Soules on the shoes I think I wore a 4 inch lift.... BUrrrrr. :-}
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Dec 27, 2014 16:58:45   #
I would think that the pictures I took back in the 60's,70's and even the 80's were either on an old Brownie and those pictures are in my parents ton of pictures and the ones after that period were taken on a Yashica camera and those were my war days then came the Pentax K1000 and god only knows that I shot roll after roll of film on that camera, then I got married for the second time and I owned a Nikon FM 4 or 5 I can't really remember which one but it was the love of my little life and there I took several courses at the community
college and learned the in and outs of the camera and the use of the dark room made us learn how to use the camera to it best. I love the old prints that show how the mistakes were made and after a mistake it cost one the developing and the roll of film so if you made a mistake you tried to remedy the mistake with the next couple of rolls you ran through.

Guess I will see if I can find out where the old prints went I am sure there is an old shoe box in the bottom of a closet somewhere that has my name on it. If I can find it we will put them up for nothing less that a chuckle of the hair styles of the era:

Now we have digital's .... and I do not have the best but now I save the cost of developing and film and spend it on cameras lens and more cameras .... OH a half way decent printer is also helpful and I have like every body else owned a few.
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Dec 27, 2014 15:59:37   #
The Statue looks good but look at the bottom and the wooden base is a little blurred maybe from what ever program you used to remove the back ground,but otherwise a great pic.
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Dec 26, 2014 18:32:14   #
To start with I can't even hardly say AD but I have a feeling that what I am seeing is a picture that looks a lot like in the after of the elk a bit over exposed ... but if you say so I will allow that we both have two different points of view. As to the monitor I have an HP that I use all of the time but seeing that you felt that I might have had a bit of a screw up view I went to the Acer on my Desk top unit and I still think that the first picture of the Elk is still the better.

Years ago I took a few classes in Photography this was when we used film I know things have changed since then but it seems to me that all of these new programs only allow us to back off the old ways of taking a shot and allow us to become sloppy because we can make a bad shot only better in some program that we paid to much for in the first place. So I guess that we can only agree to Disagree.
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Dec 26, 2014 17:41:57   #
That is a nice picture ... love the color.
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Dec 26, 2014 17:32:30   #
A lot of money for a few step in PS ... or at least it seems to me. The original pictures were pin point sharp but I have old eyes now.

I live in South Dakota and the Elk we have look just like your first picture, the second one is a bit washed out and liver spotted in the main body make one wonder what was wrong with it. I think I would be looking for a way to get my money back also.
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Dec 26, 2014 16:11:04   #
I think that the best one of the thoughts of the past year is Out with the old and in with the new.

This was an old miners cabin that over the past ten years or so I have watched fall down annd if you look in the back ground you can see it is sitting right beside a new building so in with the new and out with the old.

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