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Aug 18, 2022 07:56:19   #
I agree with you. That's why I only shoot with DX cameras. I like to feel quality in hands not plastic.
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Oct 18, 2020 15:57:31   #
DirtFarmer wrote:
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HaHa I love it
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Oct 18, 2020 15:02:02   #
Beowulf wrote:
Both my parents and my three siblings and I all have blue eyes, yet none of my parents' siblings nor any of their offspring have blue eyes. And they both came from huge families.

We were jokingly considered the outcasts from the larger family units.


not true my Father had blue eyes and my Mother had brown eyes both I and my brother have blue eyes
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Oct 18, 2020 14:55:53   #
rmalarz wrote:
One of our members, Steve R, posited that technique has disappeared. He was referring to the discussions involving technique. It seems that the technique has been replaced with which camera and software will provide one with the satisfaction of creating a notable photograph. I've observed that trend myself but not really given much thought to that occurrence. Most notably, I've been opposed to Luminar's claim to fame of replacing skies, etc.

Up until recently, I was completely opposed to substituting incredible skies into a landscape photograph, etc. I prefer to capture what's there. If what I want isn't there, I'm not disingenuous to 'fake' it. I liken it to say one is going fishing and upon not catching anything, going to a fresh fish store, and purchasing a large fish to return home and announce oneself as a great fisherman to have brought this wonderful dinner home.

Well, I've had a change of heart. I can see where there is a good cause for substituting skies, or any other background, in a photograph. This change was due to viewing a commercial photographer's work. The subject was shot in a studio and then an incredible and related background was placed in the photograph.

In this photographer's case, these are commercial photographs. They are done for pay, a sizable payment to say the least, and done with a time limit. They would be impossible to accomplish with the deadline given, people's schedules, etc. To say nothing of having nature cooperate with the ideal weather for a backdrop. So, in these cases, it is quite acceptable to produce a product photograph as quickly as possible.

Now, to the average person who wants to be a photographer. There is the knowledge that is needed to produce a successful and pleasing photograph. Today's cameras and associated software remove a great deal of the burden of photographic knowledge and simply reduce a good many to being merely camera operators. Ask yourself, if you didn't take that path, or continue to look for that path. It comes down to whether you wish to be a photographer or a mere button pusher. The choice is yours.

You can't purchase talent. You can, anyone can develop talent if they are willing to invest in learning the necessary skills as a foundation and then continuing to build on those skills. The results will be far more satisfying than just mastering which button to push. Kodak used to have an advertising expression, "You push the button. We do the rest". If photography and photographic art were that simple, why didn't the notable photographers resort to letting Kodak do the rest?

So, it comes down to whether you want to be a photographer or just a button pusher? One will produce photographs. The other will be entangled in a constant search for the "next best thing" that will propel them to the heights of photographic accomplishments they couldn't achieve on their own.
--Bob
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this is true but on the other hand if you want to become a master photographer you are not allowed any such trickery and you will be judged by 5 master photographers at your expense. you must win 5 awards from the PPofA and each entry will cost you $125.00 each.
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Oct 18, 2020 00:26:17   #
I just want to say thank you to those who actually read a post and reply to the subject. Now this is my opinion and does not apply to everyone just those that like to hear themselves talk and they know who they are.
I like to compare product photographers to classical musicians. a classical musician can't play a note unless they have sheet music in front of them and a conductor to tell the what to do. They don't know how to improvise.
A product photographer can't take a photograph without an art director telling them what to do and then they have to bracket their shots and use a polaroid to get the shot and have the art director approve it and send it off to the air brusher to be fixed. In other words
they are both good at what they do but only know of one way to do things and anyone who does it differently than they do is wrong and don't know what they are doing.
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Oct 17, 2020 15:48:13   #
Hal81 wrote:
I was a wedding photographer for over 30 years. I could write a book. And not one page would be about photography. I have seen it all. Just ask any guy thats has been in the bussness for a long time. Im sure they would say the same.


amen
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Oct 17, 2020 13:27:27   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Discussing Techniques for shooting "chromes" is kinda moot nowadays, since not too many folks are still doing that, especially in the professional and commercial sectors of the industry- it's just about all digital.

The 6 large file cabinet file drawers, packed with large format transparencies and colour negatives attest to the fact that at one time, for about 25 years, I shot 8x10 and 4x5 transparencies just about every day. A lot of the technical details of producing high-quality transparencies relate well to current digital methods but REALLY- chromes posed more difficulties and challenges. There was no such ONE rule of thumb such as "always underexpose" etc., you had to know your films, their charities, and factor in the final usage of the transparencies. Most of these images were for lithographic reproduction and you need to the factor in what would be best for colour separations and the final print process.

An exposure meter or even a camera's internal metering system are just tools, and like any other tool you need to learn exactly how to use it- where to sample light and haw to interpret the meter readings.

In large format transparency work, there were many variables. The film was packaged with basic filter pack instructions (as a starting point) because each emulsion batch was not uniform in colour rendition. Some close-up work requires bellows extension. Filter packs and bellows extensions "eat light" and require more or extended exposure. Sometimes extended exposure introduced reciprocity law failure that might require even more filtration and extended exposure. Sometimes with all of this factored in I was working with an ISO 100 film at an effective exposure index of ISO 6 or 10. To attain enough depth of field for certain shots (smaller apertures) we had to open the shutter in a darkened room and do 10 pops with a 2400-watt.secondflash system. To bracket, I had to shot 5, 10 and 20 pops.

Meters get us in the ballpark but there were still fine adjustments. and Polaroid tests. The Polaroid film did not necessarily track with the transparency film and even if the density was correct, we had to wait for the process to verify the colour.

Bracketing was always applied. Sometimes it only took a few minutes to actually SHOOT the job but it took all day to set up the product, style the food, prep the models, build a set- whatever- and you'd have to be nuts not to bracket and shoot a few extra sheets before breaking down the set. What if there was a lab accident? Sometimes we would duplicate all the shots and do 2 separate processing batches. Sounds crazy but it's less costly than rebuilding the set, re-hiring the models and/or the food stylist, dragging the art director back, and heaven forbid, missing a deadline!

If colour prints or Duratrans display transparencies were called for, we also shot the colour negative film on the same job. Negatives made for better prints and Duratrans without the need for internegatives or kinda "too contrasty" Ciba prints.

There was NO post-processing to correct major mistakes. We didn't have green-screen, front projection or dropping in backgrounds, so more-or-less it had to be straight out of the camera. There was transparency retouching, stripping and some computerized effects available at the lithographic stage but they were costly and kinda frowned upon budget-wise. If you wanted a product to float in mid-air- you had to find a way to do that right on the set.

We were not wasting time or film- all these costs were factored into the charges and fees.

Nowadays, most of this aggravation has been precluded. If you shoot tethered, you can see the finished product on the screen right there and then- you can make whatever adjustments are required and go on to the next shoot.

This does not mean that in digital, you can or should shoot "sloppy". If you know your camera operation and fully understand the workings of you metering system or you handheld meter, know hao to stay within the dynamic range of your camera system and do a bit of bracketing when possible, you will have cleaner, better files with maximized potential without radical corrective measure in post-processing.

Portraiture- Well, for me that was/is a different kinda cat. I used mostly colo
r negative film and I knew my lighting and ratio control both in the studio and on location with flash and/or natural light. If transparency required, I would do a bit of bracketing but mostly I could shoot quickly and concentrate on aesthetics, pose and expression.

Nowadays, it's so much easier. I shot a few preliminary test shots, varify (chimp once or twnice, and just shoot for pose and expression.
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thank you you are correct sir
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Oct 17, 2020 13:20:00   #
Ysarex wrote:
Right, like in this post: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-669666-4.html#11659795 that brings up graduated ND filters out of the blue in a bizarre attempt to criticize another poster even though graduated ND filters were never a topic in the thread.


ND filters were brought up because of previous comments about how to handle over and under exposure without blowing the highlights. read all the posts before making stupid comments
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Oct 17, 2020 10:09:32   #
you know this is the problem with this site. People only read what they want to see and spout off about what they want to talk about even if it has nothing to do with the original question. I asked jf Digital should be shot like negative or slide film. I was not looking for a lecture on how I shot slide film wrong 35 years ago which was the last time I used slide film back in the 70's. I asked about Digital imaging.
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Oct 17, 2020 07:42:38   #
Ysarex wrote:
That's right. Which is different than, "...with slide film it was best to under expose up to a stop."
And also different than, "Not table top where you set it up and just bracket until you get what you like..."


I suppose you would rather scrap a job rather than use a graduated ND filter. A graduated neutral-density filter, also known as a graduated ND filter, split neutral-density filter, or just a graduated filter, is an optical filter that has a variable light transmission. Typically half of the filter is of neutral density which transitions, either abruptly or gradually, into the other half which is clear. It is used to bring an overly-bright part of a scene into the dynamic range of film or sensor. For example, it can be used to darken a bright sky so that both the sky and subject can be properly exposed. ND filters can come in a variety of shapes and sizes and densities and can be used in all types of photographic applications from still photography, motion photography and scientific applications.
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Oct 16, 2020 17:33:34   #
Ysarex wrote:
I didn't say we didn't bracket. I said we didn't bracket until we got what we wanted. A standard 3 frame bracket for E-6 is common.


A standard 3 frame bracket 1 metered, 1 over, 1 under and choose the best of the 3
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Oct 16, 2020 15:19:42   #
User ID wrote:
At one workplace we didn’t have an in-house color lab. All of our 8x10 E6 was bracketed. There’s too many very small variables and if they don’t run all in divergent directions they can add up to +/- 1EV. So in order to SAFELY move on to the next setup or location, you MUST bracket 3 sheets.

We had 8x10 Polaroid, but that is also a variable. It was used for reviewing the details of the shot. It was not a reliable gauge of exposure.


thank you
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Oct 16, 2020 14:38:20   #
Ysarex wrote:
That's not what you said. You made a generally applicable statement: "...with slide film it was best to under expose up to a stop."

I understand that screwing up and underexposing transparency film is better than screwing up and overexposing transparency film. I prefer not screwing up.


the key word is upto. not every time use your brain it is more intelligent that a meter. learn how to use the meter to get the results you want. learn your medium and equipment and use your brain.
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Oct 16, 2020 14:14:56   #
I thought so. you bought a batch of film bulk tested the hell out of it calibrated your meters had an art director tell you how to set the shot up and when it came time to purchase a new batch of film the testing started all over again because film batch to batch varies. I bought my film in bulk, worked with my lab to get the best results that I wanted for the way I shoot just like you my point is some times you have to underexpose highlights to mateine detail in the shadows depends on what's important. I never said to underexpose for every shot only when it's called for.
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Oct 16, 2020 13:18:10   #
Ysarex wrote:
Here's a quote. In case you missed it I'll post it again: "...with slide film it was best to under expose up to a stop."

In my over 40 years working as a professional in the photo industry I shot my share of transparency film. Doing studio product work I shot mostly Kodak Ektachrome. We bought the pro-grade film that came EI tested from Kodak -- you know the red stamp on the film insert -- and we tested it again (ran our own E6 line in house) because getting the exposure right with transparency film matters. Most of the work of course was done shooting strobes and we used Minolta flash meters to set the exposure but also tested with Polaroid film as a secondary verification. If any of us every said something so incredibly sloppy as just underexpose by up to a stop and your *ss is covered they'd be looking for work the next morning.

Why did you even ask your original question?

Given the kind of effort involved in setting up a shot like this, you don't just underexpose by up to a stop with transparency film. You get it right.
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I wasn't referring to table top photography I was referring to portrait photography. Not table top where you set it up and just bracket until you get what you like and the subject never complains about how long it takes or how how hot the lights are. You however are correct for that kind of shooting you need to be accurate with your exposure but that is not what I was talking about and I doubt you were using 35mm cameras and film for that kind of work.
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