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Feb 26, 2023 12:14:16   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
For colors of a plane against a clear blue sky, the edit is wonderful. But, look at what happened to all the artifacts in the sky. I wouldn't yet mark this one up as a 'success'. And the ghosting around the wing-tips and tail. Software really can't make up for a failed capture. Didn't you shoot in a burst? Although this might be the perfect viewing angle of the pass, wasn't there a better original version of all the possible versions?

Regarding magnification, at best, your viewing audience, or the physical print, will never be more than 1:1, aka 100% zoom. Looking at pixels beyond the 1-pixel to 1-pixel view on your monitor, is relevant only when trying to PhotoShop edit at the pixel-level; something that can be done, but rarely should or needs to be done.

So, if you wanted to spend still more time and more effort on an image that seems like a 1-second <delete> decision during culling, you've got more work to complete on the details across the entire frame.
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Well Paul, what a surprise. But we both know you are not here to ask questions honestly and to impart some sage wisdom since that would pre-suppose humility; and not a pathology. But to show the world just how much of a rhetorical delusional jackass you have become and how easy it is to hijack a thread.
I quess yesterday wasn't enough for you? Congratulations on turning UHH even more to the dark side.
This site has become a rolling dumpster fire and is not worth one more minute of my time.
I have an art show to prep for and you are not worth a second thought.
Enjoy your reign Beelzebub.
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Feb 26, 2023 10:43:25   #
Last weekend we all engaged in a discussion of the Topaz AI products and how it was my first foray into using them.
This is what I consider my first successful use of Sharpen AI.
The aircraft is a P-51 Mustang making an inverted fly-by at the Brunswick Air Show in 2015.
There was enough motion blur to make this a good test subject including the stars on the wing and fuselage having almost 10 points. It was most visible at 300% magnification in Photoshop.

P-51 - TOPAZ SHARPEN AI

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P-51 - Original Capture

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Feb 25, 2023 13:11:14   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
As discussed, the relative age and length of prior use of the newest models is probably the only difference, and well, the price. If you want to pay more for exactly the same late-model equipment with imaginary valued-added benefits, it's your money to spend. My KEH experiences with problems were 20+ year old lenses, but it could have been anything, as I was their 'testing' staff for the resale of used equipment. Also as discussed, refurb is used, not new.


This whole thread started about Nikon Refurbishment. Not on "best practices" used by the myriad of resellers who profess to refurb gear.
As usual it got hijacked by self-proclaimed "experts" on the fringe.
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Feb 25, 2023 12:51:33   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
In the back n forth of this thread, you probably want to mention that experience specifically to member: ScottWardwell


Typical Paul. As usual you misrepresent what is said.
The only difference between you on the Photo Forum and UserID on The Attic is the level of vitriol expressed.
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Feb 25, 2023 12:46:06   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
I've sold multiple times to KEH in person and purchased numerous items, including multiple items immediately diagnosed as broken when tested.

They do not "test". They = KEH.

That's the job of the next customer. There's a 2-week no questions asked return policy, with pre-paid return shipping.

Similar to the questions earlier to another community member assuming something more, how could anyone "test" all the various models, brands, formats of film and digital cameras and lenses? How could any for-profit organization operate any level of "testing" of the variety and scale KEH handles and resells? Even charging batteries to simply turn on every digital camera is not cost-effective.

If the next customer (aka non payroll KEH testing staff) eventually finds a problem, there's a 25% restocking charge for failing their assigned tasks within the expected time-limit.

The majority of my equipment is from KEH. I believe in them. I don't believe in urban myths.
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Sounds like if you want to go slumming; go KEH.
If you want to go uptown and the Gold Standard getting as close to new without the sticker shock; go official Nikon Refurbishment route.
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Feb 25, 2023 11:00:47   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you offer unrealistic assumptions and call it relevant expertise, don't be surprised at the negative feedback. I said in my first comment, refurb is a good bargain. It was another two users that then chimed-in adding ideas about the process that are not accurate.


Doubling-down? Interesting. The Group-Think is strong with this one.
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Feb 25, 2023 10:51:36   #
jbk224 wrote:
Everyone has opinions. Some, may even have 1st hand direct knowledge.
Three people in this thread provide just about everything there is to know.
Bill tells us all we need to really know...99.99999% of the items returned likely have absolutely nothing wrong with them. Buyers remorse, dealer returns,......And, a process is in place to 'check' these items and send those that need more attention to the in-house NikonUSA techs. We don't need to care or know how much anyone gets paid and exactly what happens. All that matters is that the purchasers of refurb products from Nikon are happy. This does not mean that there is 100% satisfaction, but enough to warrant their program and process. And when there is a problem..Nikon takes care of the customer 1st and foremost. Should be case closed.
Scott, properly provides the view that no GOOD manufacturer would implement a re-furb program that would damage their reputation. And therefore, returns must go through a process that ultimately results in a successful result.
Now Paul, on the other hand, takes the contrary view. Why would any rational business actually 'test..spend the resources... for something to be like new and sell it at less than retail? (paraphrased). And, further challenges Scott and belittles Scott for is lack of acumen in making his statements. Paul's example 'proves' his claim and that one only needs to run the numbers to see that 'thorough testing' is not possible. And further that Scott's own professional experience does not matter one bit. Nice and constructive.
Back to Bill for the final word '.....Returned items are looked at to make sure they work. End of story. They are not put through any testing by techs..'
This implies, without any stretch of one's imagination, that there is a process in place with people properly trained to determine if items 'work'. And those that don't, or (in accordance with Paul's checklist), are sent through to another team. This does not mean that items that work are put through rigorous testing..it only means, that at a minimum, THERE IS A PROCEDURE IN PLACE TO DO SOMETHING....and clearly this process works for NikonUSA and it's customers.
So, why would any rational company..........? Well, the program seems to be successful. And, products sold at a lower cost than new..with shorter warranties. And, the company has added a program that they deem necessary for the brand and customers. I would guess, with my small brain, that NikonUSA has evaluated the costs and benefits of this program and deemed it worthwhile.
Scott, I am onboard with your concept for this successful program. Paul, what is the point of belittling someone's opinions and experience in order to bolster your view--opinion--not fact? Bill, thanks for your in-house Nikon take of a program that works.
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Thank you. Warranty costs are a component of the final selling price.
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Feb 25, 2023 10:44:19   #
DJCard wrote:
The Z 24-70 2.8 S is a very nice lens that stays attached to my Z 7 II. I didn’t buy that lens refurbished, but I’ve bought several lenses and bodies over the the years refurbished directly from Nikon USA. Always looked and functioned like new. The box is white and very different from original.


I bought an N90s and grip from an estate auction 5 years for $50 still in their white refurb'ed boxes. Sticker price was $1100 on the box. So it was purchased originally when it was a current Nikon film model. But I don't think it was ever taken out of the box. Pristine. Just put on the shelf in a closet and forgotten about.
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Feb 25, 2023 10:12:29   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Not to disagree, but I'd go the full 100%.


Maybe for Sony.
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Feb 25, 2023 10:08:53   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
We cancelled the interview after the initial probing questions, earlier. Thank you for your interest and good luck in your search.


Are you going to finish us off with one your tired oft-repeated bromides about the virtues of mirrorless now?
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Feb 25, 2023 10:05:38   #
BebuLamar wrote:
This is not neccesarily true. I bought the Nikon 20mm f/2.8 AF-D lens for $256 because it's a display sample at the local store. It was in the store display case for at least several years (I looked at the lens but decided not to buy it many times over the course of several years). At last they had it on clearance and I got it for the price and it was sold to me as new with full warranty. In fact the aperture blades stuck 4 years after I bought it and Nikon fixed it for free under waranty.


I was referring specifically to a body which was on floor display tethered. So any yokle could come along and molest it. So yeah, Nikon did not want that type of sample sold. They displayed lenses the same way. When the salesman took down my boxed camera, he also brought down the display sample box and took the sample off the floor.
A camera store has more control over their samples as they are kept in glass cases. Admittedly less wear and tear. I sold cameras for Value House and Service Merchandise in Maine. The sample was the last to go only if the customer insisted. Otherwise we would order them a fresh one.
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Feb 25, 2023 09:56:47   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
The quote referenced $350. Where is the refurb team supervisor going to 'hide' that cost for equipment coming out of their team's "refurb" work?


It is called "Depreciation". It is is separate line item cost on the department's financials. It is not the entire cost of the acquisition of that equipment. That is carried on the Balance Sheet in the Fixed Assets. When the Accumulated Depreciation equals the Fixed Asset cost, then it technically has zero-book value and is usually sold for scrap value and is replaced with another piece of equipment over say 5 years or so. There is no "hidden cost" here.
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Feb 25, 2023 09:44:31   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
If I was interviewing you and had access this discussion, you'd get some hard questions to determine whether you're a fit to my modern organization and needs.


And how many companies have you run?
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Feb 25, 2023 09:40:05   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
One would think with your quoted resume, you'd have a better understanding of the details / unknowns of the discussion. Is any of that onsite manufacturing experience post 2000? In fully automated assembly plants? High-tech like computers, cameras, similar? Regarding relevant experience, did you read the other specific replies to your assumed refurb operations? Did you mentally run a spreadsheet of the costs for the equipment and people needed for your assumed thorough testing of Nikon's roster of current models to be refurbished?
One would think with your quoted resume, you'd hav... (show quote)


Experience since 2000? Yeah, like yesterday. And I am interviewing for a new position Monday with a local IT service company.
Does that score me any points?
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Feb 25, 2023 09:34:30   #
billnikon wrote:
It simply does not happy that way. I worked for Nikon for years. Returned items are looked at to make sure they work. End of story. They are not put through any testing by techs. It is a completely different division.
It is an unban myth to think they are sent to the factory and tested.
Like I said, 99.9999% of all refurbs are remorse buyers, there is NOTHING wrong with 99.999999999999% of returns.
To think that their was something wrong with refurbs is just not correct.


Bill I think you are parsing my words a little too fine. Picking it up and seeing if it the focus is smooth or the aperture functions or the glass is clean is testing. Camera bodies can go out of calibration. Are you saying that if a body came in and had an outdated firmware, they would not update it? They did mine with the LCD swap.
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