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Jun 6, 2022 07:38:56   #
Photo Girl wrote:
When the 2nd Amendment was adopted in 1791. Weapons consisted of muskets and cannons. If our forefathers ever thought that weapons would have evolved to what is available today, I am sure the 2nd Amendment would have been worded differently. Why are we allowing assault weapons that should only be in the hands of trained military personnel, to be purchased by individuals?

Weapons consisted of far more than just muskets and cannons.
The knock gun was a very popular although quite overpowered weapon of the 1700s it was a multiple barrel weapon and although each barrel was loaded individually there were models that had a removable barrel cluster which would have allowed someone to reload the volley and the barrels and action would be switched out with the now empty ones much like a magazine in the AR-15 or the m1 carbine weapon.
However since I was not there I can't assume to know what weapons they had in mind or even considered would be created by future generations.
What I and everyone else do have to go on is what was written.
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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Jun 3, 2022 09:14:05   #
jerryc41 wrote:
I've heard several versions of this, and they're all basically the same. If people can't agree on something simple, how can they agree on a world-wide plot and then keep it secret? Someone posted this online today.

Every conspiracy theorist should be forced to sit on a committee of any sort and see how hard it is to actually get anything done.

"The roof is going to cave in if we don't have it repaired."

"I know a guy who can do it."

"Oh, he charges too much. I know a guy who can do it for half that."

"But he is known to cut corners."

"We should have a separate committee dedicated specifically to the repair of our roof."

"Okay, that sounds good. Who wants to chair this committee?"

"Not me."

"I chaired a committee last month."

"I chaired one twenty years ago, and we're still not done taking care of the ghost problem."

"Let's shelve this for the next meeting. It's time for refreshments."

"Didn't we put this on the back burner last month? And the month before that? And the month before that?"

"Oh please. We've been back burner-ing this issue for the past thirty years."


Now, picture this happening with rival governments all trying to agree on what to do.
I've heard several versions of this, and they're a... (show quote)

This sounds identical to the attempts every year to decriminalize marijuana in TN.
It always gets through the house by a narrow margin only to get tabled until next time by the Senate.
All that effort just so it looks like they are interested in reform.
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Jun 2, 2022 01:19:28   #
DennyT wrote:
Read what I said .

“”” Full auto Yes and they have to have a license “ issued by the federal government. Federal law
“”””


it were absolute there would be no background check no licensing people could own automatics felons could own guns
Right here you imply that people can't own automatic weapons.
This is what the ATF says about it which is that they can.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guide-identification-firearms-within-purview-national-firearms-act
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Jun 1, 2022 17:51:27   #
DennyT wrote:
I never made any claim on what you said or didn’t say.
My point is the federal government has been all over 2A from the beginning in -1934. So to say it is absolute is plain bs

If it were absolute there would be no background check no licensing people could own automatics felons could own guns


By the way you must have missed this when I posted this earlier:

“”” Listen I am not a biden fan. He is doddering old man that belong a beach or in a bingo parlor somewhere but I am a fan of honesty.
“””

Or you’re calling me a liar
I never made any claim on what you said or didn’t ... (show quote)

I'm calling you a liar if you want to keep insisting that people can't own automatic weapons because they can although it takes quite a while to get the tax stamp for one.
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Jun 1, 2022 14:40:35   #
DennyT wrote:
Then why do we have back ground checks , age restrictions, ccw license requirements ?

There’s nothing wrong with disliking Biden , I don’t either.. but be honest .


None of which are done by the federal government
Each state has their own rules.
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Jun 1, 2022 14:38:56   #
BooIsMyCat wrote:
I lived in Chicago for over 30 years. I know all about the crime in that city.

My mention of "Chicago" is simply because when discussing gun deaths, none of you who point to Chicago, use the word "Illinois"...

If all the statistics are "skewed" why have you not gathered accurate ones and had them published?

Perhaps we use Chicago because it has a deserved reputation of course that would also depend on the neighborhood and even the time frame for the neighborhood.
For instance the Humboldt park area has a different economic and even ethnicity than it did thirty years ago when it was predominantly lower income and Puerto Rican and controlled by the Latin kings.
I don't know what the neighborhood is like now since I live in TN now.
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Jun 1, 2022 11:43:37   #
DennyT wrote:
“ change the constitution via executive order”

And where has he said that . I ask before for those quotes “ in full context” and haven’t got an answer to date


It's implied when he says that the second amendment is not absolute.
It's ironic that the politicians argue about what the second amendment grants the citizenry as it does not grant citizens anything but rather it explains that the right is already presumed to exist and the second amendment actually states that the federal government cannot take or infringe the right.
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Jun 1, 2022 11:12:03   #
DennyT wrote:
Your head is stuck In that political dark pkace again.

And what do you think as has been done since 1930

- citizens can’t own full automatics
- back ground checks
- felons can’t own guns
- CCW license
- different laws different states
-“ assault “ weapons bans

Its a long list . Government actions.

Wake up .


Not the same as Biden claiming that he can change the constitution via executive order.
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Jun 1, 2022 11:02:30   #
BooIsMyCat wrote:
When I was a kid, the local Army and ROTC had secured buildings where they stored, under lock & key, their military grade rifles.
There is really no reason why, the "well regulated m*****a" couldn't go back to that process - store your high powered weapons and have total access to them if/when needed.

You blame all this gun violence on mental health yet, you v**e for those who want to destroy the mental health system in this country... Gov Abbott for example. Just how do you identify a person, who is going through a mental health situation, before they do something wrong... like buy a gun and go shoot up a school?

We have "trained" police who are responsible for keeping our schools safe. Many of you claim a gun insurance policy would not work, it would be too expensive. But, the very same people who say that, claim that we need to harden our schools, one entrance/exit (which the fire department might disagree with), give guns to the teachers, etc., don't seem to take into consideration that the "government" (state and local) would put that cost burden on the public.
If the "trained" police are afraid to go up against an AR-15, why would you expect the teachers to do it?

Gun insurance won't work but, paying to "harden" schools and train teachers to carry guns will?
Gun insurance is unfair?.... well, what about people who don't have kids and don't have guns? Is it fair that YOU push responsibility onto them over looking deeper into the gun issue?



To see if a high gun homicide rate is tied to lax gun laws, we looked at each state’s firearm homicide rate per 100,000 people from 2015-19 and compared that to its gun-friendliness score, where 1 is the least gun-friendly and 5 is the most gun-friendly. This score is based on individual state laws regarding things like background checks, permit requirements, and open carry rules.

These are the 20 states with the highest firearm homicide rates in the country along with their gun-friendliness scores:

Louisiana: 11.0 (3)
Mississippi: 10.2 (5)
Alabama: 9.5 (4)
Missouri: 8.5 (5)
Maryland: 7.4 (1)
South Carolina: 7.4 (3)
Tennessee: 6.7 (4)
Illinois: 6.5 (2)
Arkansas: 6.2 (3)
Georgia: 6.2 (4)
Alaska: 6.0 (5)
New Mexico: 5.7 (4)
Oklahoma: 5.7 (4)
Indiana: 5.3 (4)
Delaware: 5.1 (2)
North Carolina: 5.0 (4)
Nevada: 4.8 (3)
Ohio: 4.8 (4)
Kentucky: 4.7 (4)
Florida: 4.6 (4)

The vast majority of states with the most gun homicides are states that score a 3 or higher for gun-friendliness, indicating that there may be a correlation.

https://www.criminalattorneycincinnati.com/comparing-gun-control-measures-to-gun-related-homicides-by-state/


For those like dennis, who have difficulty understanding what is presented here, and who always point to Chicago as an example... take a closer look as to where Chicago actually sits in this list.... middle of the road, crowded in by red states and lax gun laws.

There is some very telling statistics in this link - Such as Texas - has over 8 million fewer people than California yet, it had only 800 FEWER homicides (2015-19) and is a much gun-friendlier state.
When I was a kid, the local Army and ROTC had secu... (show quote)

There is not a thing in your link that addresses Chicago or any other city it lists the states.
Having actually lived in Chicago I have seen firsthand the amount of gun crime in the city.
Most of the actual crimes are robbery with a high volume of them never reported further skewing the accuracy of any statistics.
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Jun 1, 2022 07:50:09   #
DennyT wrote:
So now you’re a mind reader. Or getting you news from social
Media since you don’t even
Know what he said.
No defending him but calling you out

“”” But no amendment — no amendment to the Constitution is absolute. You can’t yell crowd — you can’t tell [yell]* “fire” in a crowded movie theater and call it freedom of speech. From the very beginning, you couldn’t own any weapon you wanted to own. From the very beginning that the Second Amendment existed, certain people weren’t allowed to have weapons. So the idea is just bizarre to suggest that some of the things we’re recommending are contrary to the Constitution
“””

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/04/08/remarks-by-president-biden-on-gun-violence-prevention/
So now you’re a mind reader. Or getting you news f... (show quote)


Technically you are free to yell out fire in a theater this is free speech however there are other laws regarding instigating a panic that are violated in doing so.
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May 30, 2022 19:39:13   #
thom w wrote:
A 22 has to be placed fairly well to be lethal. A 223, not so much. A 223 may not be all some would make it out to be, but it's a lot different than a 22. With a 22 I'd guess there would have been less dead and more wounded, though some would still be dead.


In the confined space it's not difficult to aim with accuracy regardless whether .22 or the.223 which is literally just three thousandths of an inch bigger.
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May 30, 2022 06:22:50   #
Very well said
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May 30, 2022 06:14:29   #
I like the first one as well but seeing how you are in the same neck of the woods as me I'm wondering.
Is that the civil war cemetery on Lebanon Rd in Hermitage?
BTW I'm in old hickory myself.
If you like shooting cemeteries check out Mt Olivet on Lebanon Rd.
It's a great spot for pictures.
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May 30, 2022 04:31:26   #
Bazbo wrote:
You are confusing muzzle velocity with reload rate or rate of fire.

Kind of astonishing how a number of fun enthusiasts here do not understand the basics of ballistics or the fundamental physics of kinetic energy.


Seems that the reload rate has a direct effect on the number of rounds one can fire in a given time.
Kind of astonishing how people who like to cite supposed facts can be utterly lacking in common sense.
Believe me I am quite familiar with ballistics seeing how I carried an M16a1 when I was in the army.
Since I was a medic I was also required to qualify with a .45 pistol.
What pray tell is your firearms and ballistic background beyond Google and CNN.
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May 30, 2022 04:23:52   #
Ed48 wrote:
It would be wonderful if this happened, but with all the people against it, could a law like this be passed?
Ed48


Would such a law have made a difference in this case.
The shooter had no history of mental illness
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