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Jun 11, 2017 09:21:21   #
Jakebrake wrote:
Acknowledged. I was merely pointing out to the OP the 60D may be a system he might consider. Myself, being an avid amateur the 60D fit my hobbyist enthusiasm for several years and would be a huge upgrade from his T1i. Granted the 70-80D are major upgrades, but does the OP need or want these advancements? That would be his decision after reviewing all of the systems mentioned thus far in the thread, and making the choice appropriate to his shooting interests and needs.


Good points. No sense paying for what you dont use....
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Jun 11, 2017 09:19:16   #
A) Someone who gets paid by ( a non-relative :-)
B) Photography is main source of income
C) Is registered as such...
D) Has taken course and has madskillz workflow
E) Some/all of the above
F) other criteria

Probably been debated before but it keeps coming up in my circle of pro/semi-pro/enthusiast/wannabe friends.

My answer leans toward A) or B)
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Jun 11, 2017 08:25:40   #
Jakebrake wrote:
KEH has used Excellent condition 60D's very reasonably priced. They are a fine semi-pro camera, only a couple of generations old and if you are not a pro, I feel it would serve you quite well.

http://www.keh.com/shop/canon-eos-60d-18-megapixel-digital-slr-camera-body-only-black.html


You may want to consider skipping the 60D and go to the 70 or 80. DPAF, FPS and better AF i general is worth an incremental cost. 70 to 80 is minor but 60 to 70 was a major upgrade.
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Jun 11, 2017 08:03:10   #
rafikiphoto wrote:
Of course it is that easy but the old adage applies: The answer to your question is dependant upon the official to whom you ask it!


Yup.Had to explain the rules to the ticketing agent on an Aeromexico flight. I was flying BizClass and he was trying to charge me for an extra bag. Actually pulled up the website on my smartphone to explain it to him! ...and this is the ticketing agent in BizClass checkin !!
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Jun 9, 2017 19:52:15   #
I got mostly smoke and a little fire when I was there...great shots !
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May 31, 2017 11:16:13   #
SS319 wrote:
Actually, Sigma is producing some of the world's best glass today. Critical side by side reviews are giving the nod to Sigma - and at about 60-70% of the cost of named lenses.


...except AF. All other categories, Sigma is awesome...AF is a crapshoot. My 50mm1.4 Art is almost unuseable and the 140-600mm locks fast and accurate.
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May 31, 2017 04:23:50   #
Great camera and great kit. You will not thrist for new gear for quite awhile as you learn all the features of the 80D.

On accessories:
All that you mentioned as you can afford them.
(I have them all and use them all)
Prioroty to shoulder strap and spare battery

Circular polarizing filter is a good add also. Google to understand why. Only filter that creates a result you cannot replicate in post processing.

Be careful with packages on Amazon. Some are so cheap quality they are not worth having.

Adding the shoulder strap and ditching the camera strap that comes with the camera. (BlackRapid etc). Your neck will thank you.

Again....as you can afford them....spend most of your time with what you have and add accessories as you decide you need them. You will be much more informed about what you need when you have the need :-)
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May 30, 2017 17:55:26   #
Quick question.
Is not BBF simply remapping the half-push from the shutter release button to the AF-ON button on the back of the camera?

The advantages and techniques with AIServo (Canon) and AF-Continuous (Nikon) that are leveraged as a result of using BBF are what the discussions seem to center around. Just wanted to confirm that is the case as there seems to be some entangling of the concepts of BBF and AI Servo.

I would like to see someone post the specific situations where AIServo+BBF will get you the shot that CANNOT be achieved any other way.

Let me throw one out there...see of it holds up :-)
Situation:
Prefocus on spot where small fast moving object is going to enter a frame parallel to the sensor (ie race car at a distance) The first shot will be in focus the subsequent cars may not be
If you have to re-press the shutter quickly and refocusing may occur. In this case BBF would avoid that by decoupling the focus from the shutter. (You could switch the lens to MF from AF but the defeats AF completely so not counting that...also you could have continuous shooting enabled but then you would nèed to hold down the shutter button to avoid refocus and your buffer would overrun).

Thoughts?
Other examples unique to BBF?
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May 30, 2017 02:59:38   #
Thomas902 wrote:
Eric there are several important disadvantages to using back button focus... First let me preface my inferences here with the fact that I use BBF exclusively on location and when shooting events. It's advantages have already been thoroughly address in the thread and they indeed are rather significant to say the least! My shooting style is heavily reliant on BBF especially on location and at events.

However much of my revenue stream comes from studio assignments and here BBF can be a major disadvantage for my visual statement which is heavy based on low key scenarios. My studio is entirely flat black with no windows... All illumination is from modeling lamps which are configured to track with their respected output levels so that I can visually evaluate their influence on compositional elements. These modeling lamps are 150 watts at full power which rarely is reached even with my key light. So yes critical focus in such low ambient can be and is oft a challenge thus I will fall back on Single Servo rather than Continuous Servo on my Nikon bodies in order to obtain a conformation "beep" when the AF system has "lock". Since BBF requires Continuous Servo to function I have to switch it off...

A second very critical issue is I oft will use my D610 rather than my D3x in the studio... The D610 is literally blind as a proverbial bat and struggles to "lock" focus without it's Auto Assist Illuminator. Which obviously is disabled in Continuous Servo. Many of Nikon's pro-sumer bodies rely on their Auto Assist Illuminator without which will struggle in extremely low ambient. BTW: Your D500 does not have an Auto Assist Illuminator most likely because it has excellent low light focusing sensitivity. That said I don't use crop bodies for studio work, nor do my competitors... there are compelling reasons why but that's another issue entirely and unlikely germane to this thread...

Eric I'm certain others here on UHH may not find these limitations relevant but since you asked I wanted you to be aware that as with most aspects of photography so much depends on the needs of your clients especially if you are shooting commercially. Thus the concept of a signal solution is rarely germane in our craft... Hope this makes sense...

Final thoughts? Eric I highly recommend you try BBF in as it's advantages are so significant that your ability to shoot effectively in various challenging situations will likely be compromised without same...

Hope this helps and I wish you well on your journey Eric...
Eric there are several important disadvantages to ... (show quote)


Excellent. I would agree. Well explained...

Additinally, I sometimes do some manual focus in combination with single focus as the confirmation "beep" confirms the camera believes it has acheived focus but that does not mean that it IS focused :-)

The studio is the ONE place I would turn off AI servo. Great point on the the AF assist in single mode in low light...I think this may be a separate discussion from BBF. (Unless your statement about "BBF requires continuous servo to function"

Need to confirm whether BBF in single mode has any effect on the IR AF assist for Canon....hmmm. I think its a straight half push of the shutter being mapped to the BB which decouples AI and Single servo from the BBF discussion....I could be wrong...
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May 29, 2017 14:54:30   #
...and AI Servo (for you Canon users).
BBF, AI Servo, Center AF point...all the time.
Crop for artistic effect when you have a winner.
Never miss a shot when there is any risk of movement.

...only time I deviate is for posed portraits with very low DOF (when I use my Sigma @ sub 4.0 aperture). Then I will use manual focus....that lens has well documented AF issues....

I have shot weddings without ever changing those settings.....I will either focus and recompose or manual AF with low DOF where recomposing will make the target in the frame out of focus.

...my preferences...

Whether you choose BBF or not....stick with your choice as it will become fundamental to how you use your camera. When I was making the transition....had to retrain my brain so I was consistent. Missed a lot of shots in the first 21 days.
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May 27, 2017 06:52:32   #
DLH13 wrote:
I rented one from Lens Rentals. Awesome lens, but heavy.
I used it mostly outdoors. Interiors a little tricky with some distortion wide open.
You can rent it from them for less than $200 for a week with shipping and insurance and try it out.
I ended up getting the 16-35 4.


Ditto
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May 21, 2017 11:01:43   #
....what everyone said....PLUS for water splash/mist/spray. I have shot surfers "down the beach" with inshore gale winds with water mist/spray coming across the length of my lens and my front element was droplet free. (Doesn't work when a cloud comes through at 10,000ft....everything will mist over....what I learned shooting in Hawaii at thw top of Haleaka crater at 5am :-)
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May 19, 2017 23:36:24   #
vicksart wrote:
Those look like fairly serious waves. Where were you?


East side of Oahu. We went north to see Banzai Pipeline but the surf was flat. Drove down the east side and the trade wins were howling and the waves were huge. The Boogie boarders were in spot where the waves crashed into a cliff wall and bounced back into the oncoming waves creating a resonant doubling and/or "washing machine" effect. ... I could have stayed there all day just watching them. Had my swim fins with me and was considering going in but after about 30secs watching I chose life instead....:-)
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May 18, 2017 23:14:58   #
Last post from my Hawaii trip.
These are 2-3x cropped photos from my 70D with a 150-600mmC Sigma lens. Effective length is 960mm !. Handheld at around 1600-2000ss. Pretty happy with the results. Standing on the beach 200yds away, the surfers are like "specks" in the distance. Cropped and zoomed in I can read their tattoos.!


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May 18, 2017 22:59:52   #
Dont sell it. Keep it as a 2nd body. If you can afford the mkIV, you can afford to keep the 6D as a backup in case the 5D is in the shop. If you ever want to shoot an "event"...you can run both with different lenses and not miss any shots.
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