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Apr 28, 2021 17:00:24   #
mikeroetex wrote:
All Z6’s and Z7’s will center the focus point by pushing in the joystick, you just haven’t yet read or learned how to set that up. Acoarst, I would be happy to direct you, except u have been unwilling to listen the last 3 days on the subject.


Heard and listen and I know that it will center it. The issue was that the pointer should not move from the last picture taken. That was the essence of this discussion, centering requires an additional step to move to a new location.
The old days, a camera had one button to push; the shutter release; it had a preset f stops and shutter speed and use the left hand to focus as you are ready to push the button with the right index finger.
Now I need to worry about locking the AE and AF and then on top finding the button to center the focus point and then again putting it where it was the last picture I took. NUTS, I only have one finger on the right hand to do all that. Thank G'd for autofocus.
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Apr 28, 2021 15:01:48   #
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Apr 28, 2021 15:01:10   #
kenArchi wrote:
I just tap the screen to position the focus point.
It is easier?


it could be easier to use the screen, but I put my eye in the viewfinder first and look for the focus point. If I have to look at the screen before taking the picture, then the time will increase to complete the image taking process.
Besides it is not natural for me to look at the screen and in bright sun the screen is a bit washed out.
your suggestion was a good tip and certainly worth to try, thanks for the thought.
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Apr 27, 2021 22:12:02   #
waltnetto wrote:
Dummy that I am - I have no idea why knowing where the focus point always is the millisecond the camera comes up to my eye wouldn't be beneficial. Do you have any idea what it is like to re-center a focus point on the fly when your fingers are numb-dead or freezing. Or, your fingers are too big to hit that tiny (oh)joystick center.? I thought I was the only one. OH where OH where is my unmoving split focus screen. Recomposing takes no time when you always know where the focus point is. Ghosts of Nikons past must move the Z focus point to keep those of us guessing instead of concentrating on making a picture. For we who have been shooting Nikons for 50 years what could be more automatic then "analog" recomposing. (end of rant) For heaven's sake, if Nikon adds it as a choice you who think it is arcane (guess what) don't have to use it.
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I just want to make one comment about the idea of repositioning the camera to focus and then recompose. The issue is to find the tiny focus pointer somewhere in the EVF. It may sound stupid but when it is not where I left it, then I need to look on top, bottom, left and right to find it; of course it is always in the last place I look, that takes more than a few milliseconds and sometimes I have to do this twice. I know, others can search for that little square in milliseconds and recompose, but I don't have that ability. Must be my age.
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Apr 27, 2021 20:33:00   #
Bill_de wrote:
Do you mean something like this:

A Save focus position option has been added to the SETUP MENU. If On is selected, the focus position in effect when the camera is turned off will be restored when the camera is next turned on. This option applies only when the camera is used with Z mount autofocus lenses.

It is in the latest firmware update for the Z6 and Z7?


Bill:
I loaded the latest 3.30 firmware, I see the focus lock in the set-up menu. I never looked there and not sure if this is a new feature or was always there, since I expected it to be part of the "OK" button setup. But you indicated it's part of the new firmware update, thanks for the tip. I set it to "ON" and will see if the focus pointer moves; since this is a random occurrence, I have to use the camera a bit to see the effect. I am using all Z lenses and now I have the perfect camera. Thanks again.
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Apr 27, 2021 13:52:08   #
Bill_de wrote:
Do you mean something like this:

A Save focus position option has been added to the SETUP MENU. If On is selected, the focus position in effect when the camera is turned off will be restored when the camera is next turned on. This option applies only when the camera is used with Z mount autofocus lenses.

It is in the latest firmware update for the Z6 and Z7?


That's exactly what I mean.

I don't know if the latest release has this update, but will be installing the new firmware soon and find out.
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Apr 27, 2021 13:10:46   #
Bill_de wrote:
It could be something as simple as a customer survey showing that very few people use it. I've had 8 Nikon DSLRs, the first being a D1x and the latest a D850. I have never used that lock.

I don't have much time in with my "Z" bodies, so it may turn out that I will be wishing they had the lock.

On my longer Nikkors that have the function buttons I do set them to return focus to a specific distance.

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The lock would not be so important on the Z if the focus indicator remains in the EVF same place from when the last picture was taken. The problem is I need to find it in the EVF and bring it back to a place that is usable. It usually goes to the furthest points on the screen (top or bottom corners) and is lost from the initial search with my eye. Yes, it takes a second or two, but then I need to finder the pointer and move it; that is a couple of more seconds, etc. BTW I still drive a clutch and so is my wife and kids.
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Apr 27, 2021 11:34:12   #
mikeroetex wrote:
You are probably right that a firmware update could make that change. 100% truth, I just never even thought about it. We can both have different opinions and that's okay. You see it as a design flaw, I see it as an unnecessary feature.
My guess is that with eye detection and with wide area AF plus target tracking, that focus target needs to float. But who knows? Maybe tech will advance to a point we don't have to do anything but show up in a field and turn the camera on. Eveerything else will be automated with only one button, the on/off switch! LOL!
You are probably right that a firmware update coul... (show quote)

Great idea, but then I will complain that the on/off button is in the wrong place and it takes too long to turn on, thus missing the best picture of my picture taking career. Answer: There is no perfect camera.
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Apr 27, 2021 11:17:46   #
User ID wrote:
Should it happen, I will NOT at all be shocked. That much is fact. BTW there’s only one product under discussion.

I *should* be sad to see Nikon go, but since I’m done with them as of their current latest failure, their actual final demise will not impact me directly.

I will go out on a limb and believe Nikon is not going anywhere. The failure of a lock button design is not an indication of the company as a whole being a failure. There maybe valid engineering issues or just sitting on the back burner of the drawing board. By making these issues known, Nikon and most companies will decide if it is worth the effort to include the remedy. In the meantime I will practice the suggestions given by the friendly UHH’s members.
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Apr 27, 2021 10:50:47   #
mikeroetex wrote:
A simple push in of the joystick immediately centers the focus target, 0.5s. Put bird or moving subject in center of viewfinder and press BBF, another 0.5s. Have you shot wildlife with a Z6 yet? This guy came swooping over my shoulder and I only had a moment to react. Shutter speed isn't high enough, granted, but camera caught up with him. I wasn't even on the beach to shoot birds, I was just amused at them stealing food from a toddler's picnic and fired off a few shots and with my Z7 in hand, not my Z6 which is always set to higher FPS and shutter speed. I only offer this to show it can be done with a little practice!
A simple push in of the joystick immediately cente... (show quote)

I assume I need practice to work around this flaw of no able to lock the sensor position. There is always a work-around process to overcome the mistakes in a design. However that was not the point, the initial question was: Is there a lock for the focus pointer. I also said I have the same issue l; then the responses went into the facts of that a lock is not necessary because,..... etc. that’s nice and everyone was helpful, however a lock would solve all these arguments. I don’t see why a software change can’t make one of the buttons a lock. It’s done for the focus and exposure controls.
BTW thank you for showing it can be done, I had tried various techniques in the past and only one out of five pictures came in properly focused; the others missed the mark.

The end of this blog is “No, there is no lock”.
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Apr 27, 2021 07:21:41   #
mikeroetex wrote:
4s to push a joystick that is already right beside your thumb? Geez, it must take you 10s to fire the shutter! Aren't you gonna miss the shot anyway?


It’s not just pushing the button that takes 4 seconds; it is moving the pointer to the position where you want it to be. If you would try to look into the EVF and then move the focus pointer joy stick to reposition the focus area, you would realize it is not a s simple as 1s. The alternative is to move the camera viewing to position the pointer where the subject is, push down half way on the shutter release and lock to focus. Then reposition the camera and compose as necessary. Clearly none of these methods would be solution for wildlife and moving subjects.
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Apr 26, 2021 21:02:57   #
grandpaw wrote:
I shoot wildlife a lot and when I see a bird take off or something else move that requires a quick response I don’t want to be wondering where the focus point is located or need to push a button to get it in the center so I can get my shot. If you shoot still subjects it may not be that important.


what was said above is essentially why the focus pointer position needs to be locked, the pointer is usually not where the subject is composed on the EVF and by the time you reposition the camera to the focus zone over the subject, lock the focus by pressing the shutter release half down and then recompose, the subject is gone. Let's make sure we don't confuse the pointer on the EVF; which is a small area where the focus measures the distance and locking the focus down so it does not refocus when recomposing; two different items.
Moving the pointer to be on the subject is pointless if the subject is no longer there. Therefore locking it to the area where I believe the highest probability is that the subject will be in that part of the EVF, it will improve the odds of taking a picture that is in focus.

Not sure why this is a difficult issue to understand. Some of the UHH's have said that it's easy to move the pointer, it only takes a second (not true, I timed it and took me 4s. to reposition) so why bother to lock it down? OK, but if I can't get a picture in focus because the focus area or pointer wanders around, I would submit to everyone, that this is a good reason to have a lock. Which was the initial question: Is there a lock?
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Apr 26, 2021 13:59:17   #
baron_silverton wrote:
Not sure why this is needed - if the point gets bumped you can readily see that in the viewfinder and then just set the joystick so that it centers the point if you push it in - all of this can happen in under a second so not sure why you need to lock it that way.

But to answer the question, I do not believe that there is an option to lock it in the center but I could be wrong.


The lock of the focus point is sorely needed. I always find it in the wrong position, like the far left on the top or the right side which is a useless area. To constantly have to worry about the focus pointer to make sure it is in the middle or near there diminishes the ability to take quick pictures when time is of the essence. Sometimes I take a picture in a hurry and find the focus to be in left field; thus out of focus of the subject.
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Apr 26, 2021 13:16:36   #
larryepage wrote:
OK. You are almost certainly going to have to wait for someone who has one of these cameras. Now that I am at home, I have scanned the manual as well as the online manual, which is more complete. I see that the physical lock for the multi-selector has been eliminated, so that's not going to be the way to accomplish what you want. But I m betting that turning off "Auto Area Focus" is going to be your first step. That should stop the focus point from moving around the frame outside your direction. Selecting a single focus point is probably going to be the way to eliminate accidental movement.

Did you receive any instruction beyond the 80 page manual with your camera? I see now that it seems to include mostly high-level instruction, and so far, I've not found anything documenting the menu structure.
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I have a Z6 and am still waiting for that answer.
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Apr 25, 2021 16:16:00   #
IDguy wrote:
The image in the viewfinder isn't what you get with a DSLR. The image is taken after the mirror flips up.

Sorry, no detectible delay with EVFs. You clearly haven't tried one. More nonsense by the unknowing.

As I noted earlier, the EVF may be the biggest advantage of the new cameras. It provides huge advantages over an OVF including what you see is what you get, flexible information in the viewfinder, and features local focus peaking and eye detection that you have to go to the LCD for in DSLRs...and the LCDs are crap in bright light.

Although I also appreciate lighter weight.
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the EVF on my Z6 is better than the optical view of a DSLR. i don't know about other brands but the Nikon does not show any appreciable delay.
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