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Jan 5, 2024 18:42:41   #
pendennis wrote:
You and I disagree on many subjects, but I'm with you on this one. In the early period of earth's development, our environment was hostile, to say the least. With a plethora of objects crashing into earth on a daily basis, we have no concept of just how many events happened that contributed to life coming from an array of amino acids which formed during earth's early development. Folks seem to ignore the near infinite number of chemical reactions which are started by lightning, sunlight, and even contact with rocks, and other materials. We can't conceive the complicated chemical reactions that created those amino acids, and then the chemical reactions which happened near constantly. In a time encompassing 3-4 billion years, no computer model can begin to duplicate the chain of events which lead to life forming from those chemicals.
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Jan 5, 2024 18:38:07   #
Racmanaz wrote:
There’s no evidence that this is an infinite universe. Although, if, and probabilities mean, absolutely nothing unless you have evidence to back those fairies up. From what we see now the evidence points that life only originates from life life begins life non-life gets non-life. Those are the facts and you know it.


The only thing that makes any sense with respect to time and space IS a belief in infinity. If you believe things are finite, then they have a beginning and an end. So that begs the question of what was there before, and what is there after (referring to time); or where did matter come from before it existed; and what is on the other side of the physical boundary of a finite universe.

Heck, you believe in God and an afterlife… is there a finite duration to your time playing harp?

INFINITY is such an amazing concept!
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Jan 5, 2024 16:11:08   #
Racmanaz wrote:
Yes John I am well aware of your past profession in biology which is very surprising, in respect of what you’re saying now on this forum. I would think you would know the difference unless you’re not being t***hful about your profession that you retired from. I noticed that you’ve been pushing the goalpost when you start losing the argument in order to create another argument, which you think will debunk the arguments prior. Well, let me reiterate, that life gets life and none living matter does not be at life. There is no scientific evidence or observation that life originated from nonlife sources.
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In an infinite universe (time and space) you think that because we have not seen it, therefore it does not exist? We got past being the centre of the universe a long time ago. Infinity, my friend… infinity. It is HUGE!!!
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Jan 5, 2024 14:13:37   #
riderxlx wrote:
I really like her facial expressions and…
Bruce


I have often wondered if the capture of a facial expression should be credited to the photographer or the model.
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Jan 5, 2024 14:04:53   #
Racmanaz wrote:
Sorry John you are very very wrong and you are being deceptive with twisting words. Yes, we know that life itself consist of matter and chemicals. Otherwise, we’d be invisible. What I have been saying and still saying is that life gets life and non-life only gets nonlife. There is no scientific or observable evidence that life is produced by nonlife. That is never happened And has never been shown to have occurred scientifically or observationally. What’s also an important issue is that nonlife can never produce consciousness it’s never been observed therefore, it’s never happened.
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Define consciousness. And don’t bother with the dictionary definition, I can find that myself. Tell me what it means in practice. I don’t believe a rock or piece of metal has consciousness. Does a dog or cat? Does a slug or a worm? Does an amoeba? How about a bacterium, or a v***s?

Consciousness is as hard to define as life itself.

I did my post-grad studies in cryobiology. I was able to freeze “live” cells, and when I thawed them some were alive and divided to produce cell colonies, others were alive right after thawing but then “died,” while others were dead upon thawing. Physically the cells were indistinguishable. So tell me, what is “life?”

BTW, I never was able to freeze “dead” cells and have them come to life after thawing. I really don’t know what “life” is.

But I do know that everyone and everything in the universe is “stardust” and with an infinite amount of time (yeah, I know you don’t understand infinity) a few molecules of the right type will come together under the right conditions to become “alive.”
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Jan 5, 2024 10:41:48   #
Racmanaz wrote:
You are deflecting again, the fact is that life ONLY comes from another life source and non-life NEVER produces a life source EVER. Those are the scientific facts. You can’t define life? I’m betting you can’t even define what a woman is either. If you can’t defend your position, then all you need to do is blur the definition of the word or phrase that opposes your weak position. You have done the same thing about the the issue of time, when finite time doesn’t favor your weak position, you just make a claim that time is infinite therefore you win, yet you lose anyway because non-living matter has NEVER produced a living organism of any kind.
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You are wrong about non-life never producing life. All living things are made of the same "matter" as non-living things. It is simply a re-arrangement of atoms and molecules. All of the atomic elements are the same.

So given that living things are made of the same "stuff" as non-living things, in the infinity of time the "non-living stuff" could re-arrange itself into "living stuff."

But that is not enough; something has to give this glob of molecules "life." And that is something that you have yet to define.

You can differentiate living things from non-living things by their behaviour related to their ability to metabolize or reproduce. But given a blob of matter (call it a human, an organ, or even a lowly cell) what is the difference between a "live" cell and a "dead" cell? THAT is the essence of life, and I have yet to see a definition that is not "operational" (ie, it can no longer metabolize or reproduce).

Tell me what is missing in the cell that was alive and then died?
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Jan 5, 2024 00:04:50   #
Racmanaz wrote:
No such proof that infinite time exists. Even if that were true, life could never have produced by a non-living source. All evidence points to life originating and being produced by life sources. It’s you that does not grasp reality. Life begets life and non-life ONLY begets non-life, those are the observable scientific facts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Infinitesimal
Hence, when used as an adjective in mathematics, infinitesimal means infinitely small, smaller than any standard real number.
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Your Wikipedia definition is irrelevant to a discussion of what infinity encompasses. When contemplating infinity you are not limited to "real numbers" because you can include ALL numbers, including imaginary numbers.

And before you say imaginary numbers don't exist, look up the meaning and use. Here is just one citation:

"Essentially, if what is being measured relies on a sine or cosine wave, the imaginary number is used. AC circuit analysis: Imaginary numbers are particularly applicable in electricity, specifically alternating current (AC) electronics."

As for your contention that only life begets life, start by defining "life" for us. And again, I will help you by citing from Wikipedia:

"Since there is no consensus for a definition of life, most current definitions in biology are descriptive."

What say YOU now, Oh Wise One?
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Jan 4, 2024 23:29:02   #
Racmanaz wrote:
Wrong again, you said infinitesimally low. But even if you were right about the definition. You see still wrong on your theory.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Infinitesimal
Hence, when used as an adjective in mathematics, infinitesimal means infinitely small, smaller than any standard real number.


Infinitesimally small and infinitely large are identical at the beginning and end of time.

You still don't grasp the true immensity of infinity.
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Jan 4, 2024 20:08:46   #
Racmanaz wrote:
Wrong, I know exactly what it means and my comment stands strong. You lose again.


No Rac, you lose. Infinity means that ANYTHING that CAN possibly happen WILL happen... 100%.

Heck, that means that you might actually agree with me on this issue!
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Jan 4, 2024 20:06:08   #
I concur with the other comments about the hair... it is better with colour. Leaving it uncoloured and grey just does not seem to suit the rest of the image in many of the other examples you have posted.
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Jan 4, 2024 14:22:41   #
Racmanaz wrote:
The problem is that the infinitesimally low probability of life originating from non-life is just one part of the equation. There are many “infinitesimally low” probabilities that must occur and be sustained even before the infinitesimally low probability of life originating from non-life to have occurred. The cosmological constant is one of many that comes to mind that is relatively impossible to happen without a creative mind. And we’re not even touching the issue of the probability of consciousness.
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Your comment shows you have not grasped the true meaning of infinity.
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Jan 4, 2024 09:04:02   #
pendennis wrote:
It's likely that life got its start numerous times from unlinked chemical reactions. It's not that scientists aren't trying, but the number of combinations of amino acids reacting in concert with the right electrical charge from lightning, solar reaction, or static electricity is beyond the capacity of even the most powerful computers and computer simulators. And we don't know whether life got its start in the oceans, some primordial swamp goo, or just where.

Life likely did not survive its first start-up. It took billions of tries, and trials and errors before life took hold. And that was for a single cell organism. More complex, i.e. multi-cell organisms, took eons.

Evolution is not a straight line, from one cell, to mankind; it's branching. It's why we still have apes and chimpanzees.
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The probability of so many conditions being just right for “life” to spontaneously happen is infinitesimally low.

But that is the beauty of understanding the true vastness of infinity. If time and the universe are infinite, then the probability of ANYTHING happening, no matter how small that probability, is 100%.

Thus, the possibility that there might be a god who created the universe is just as likely as the possibility that there is no god and the universe just “happened.”

Infinity… an incomprehensibly beautiful concept… that transcends all human understanding.
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Jan 2, 2024 20:53:38   #
Processing glitch on her waist at the right side???
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Dec 25, 2023 11:30:14   #
These shots prove that sometimes less is more.
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Dec 22, 2023 17:27:24   #
Groye wrote:
Yes exactly, it is an art form that should be appreciated


There have been a few shots of nude males, but nothing to write home about, admire... or envy.
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