winterrose wrote:
I know a bit about this photography stuff.
I have studied teaching at the University of Melbourne.
I have attempted to impart some of what I know to members in the hope that it may be of assistance.
The last thread, entitled "On Cropping" attracted almost 2000 views in 24 hrs. and if only one person gained something from it, then writing it was worth the effort for me.
Then I get a "Personal Message" posted to my thread.
I feel that I can reproduce what was meant as a PM because sure it was an error but it was there for a time for all to see.
That message was from one "Dave" (total one topic about velcro) and it made me wonder why I bother with this if what I get as encouragement is the following:-
From: Uuglypher (all from/all to)
Subject: learning facilitator vs. teacher
quote=winterrose]I totally agree with you on the importance of the use of correct terminology.
As a classroom facilitator of learning, (teacher; ...don't you love it when people use the correct terminology) you would agree that a knowledge base must be established which can subsequently be built upon.
Let's establish which way is up before we learn to fly.
I know a bit about this photography stuff. br br ... (
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Rob,
I send this as a private message because I see no reason to carry on a public discussion of the merits of your judgements as one who offers "snippets" ostensibly for the instruction of beginning photographers.
I can't let pass your confusion of "classroom facilitator of learning" and "teacher". "Teach" is a transitive verb implying that the " teacher" by "teaching" presents students with a body of knowledge it is assumed they will assimilate..." learn" ...for have they not been "taught"?
The aim of the classrom facilitator of learning is does not proactively "teach" anyone anything, The principle is always to present, in a reasoned and cohesive manner, logically congruent portions of a body of knowledge in such a manner that comprehension of each portion in sequence cannot NOT be assimilated autodidactically in relationship to the portions previously internalized and as a totally comprehensible base for the sequence of portions to follow. By this process the student is not "taught" a body of knowledge; he or she is presented , cept by cept the sequence from which concepts logically follow and simply cannot help but to become a compulsive autodidact. And the major portion of that assimilated autodidactically is yours forever; that which you've merely been "taught" ... consider, if you will, how much of that which you were taught years ago remains vibrant and of immediate use to you if you've not used it regularly?
The most effective "teachers" have always been firm proponents of he process of learning facilitation. Sadly, many " teachers" are woefully ineffective through their tendency to emphasize their own profound knowledge in the process of dumbing down terminology and principles essential for eventual comprehension of the transcendent logic and reason of the particular discipline as a whole.
For example:
"I have two Zeiss lenses and a Leica lens that I use with an M6 and a Zeiss Ikon, four Zeiss lenses for two Hasselblads plus a Rolleiflex" is a statement only of the fact that you are the owner of two Zeiss lenses and a Leica lens, an M6, a Zeiss Ikon, two Hasselblads with four more Zeiss lenses, and a Rolleiflex...and has not the slightest bearing on whether or not you are "...qualified to comment"...on anything other than on your financial wherewithall permitting ownership thereof.
You are, of course, certainly entitled to think as you please. Your belief, however, speaks volumes about your personal value system as well as the apparent basis of your self-esteem.
However, I suggest that objective evidence of the esteem with which your images are held by your peers and by the photographic image-buying public or other criteria of your critical success as a professional photographer would be far more convincing of your assertion that you are "...qualified to comment"..
Dave
MY REPLY>-
"David, thank you for your "private message". I don't think that in all my days I have ever encountered a private message quite this private before.
Judging by the way that you can get your point across so concisely I conclude that you must be a highly successful and sought after facilitator.
For those who nodded off, Dave is saying that I am not a teacher and that I should pull my head in because I have no credibility and am unqualified to comment.
So, David, I will take your advice and assume that you, as a qualified classroom facilitator of learning, are taking over.
Thank you very much and good luck to you."[/quote]
Winterrose
I indeed nodded off. I think you do just fine.
Dan O