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Oct 5, 2023 20:34:08   #
thom w wrote:
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RFK Jr. says he’s not anti-v*****e. His record shows the opposite.
As Democratic p**********l primary candidate Robert F
ByMICHELLE R. SMITH Associated Press and ALI SWENSON Associated Press
July 31, 2023, 5:12 AM
Democratic p**********l candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. rose to prominence during the C****-** p******c because of his strident opposition to v*****es. Yet, he insists he’s not anti-v*****e. He has associated with influential people on the far right – including Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon and Michael Flynn – to raise his profile. Yet, he portrays himself as a true Democrat inheriting the mantle of the Kennedy family.
As he challenges President Joe Biden, the stories he tells on the campaign trail about himself, his life’s work and what he stands for are often the opposite of what his record actually shows.
Though Kennedy’s primary challenge to a sitting president is widely considered a longshot, he’s been sucking up media attention due to his famous name and the possibility that his run could weaken Biden ahead of what is expected to be a close general e******n in 2024. He’s drawn praise from Republican p**********l candidates like Donald Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Meanwhile, Trump supporters, including his longtime ally Roger Stone, have ginned up interest by floating a Trump-Kennedy unity ticket.
Debra Duvall, 62, who lives in Fort Myers, Florida, and said she serves on the Lee County GOP executive committee, described herself as a longtime Trump supporter, but said she’s torn for 2024.
“I’ll take Trump or RFK. Either one,” she said, explaining that she was drawn to both because she believes they can’t be bought.
That kind of support has demonstrated some of the contradictions in Kennedy’s candidacy. He has said he wants to “reclaim” the Democratic Party, while aligning himself with far right figures who have worked to subvert American democracy. He touts his credentials as an environmentalist, yet pushes bitcoin — a cryptocurrency that requires massive amounts of electricity from supercomputers to generate new coins, prompting most environmental advocates to loudly oppose it.
And though he peppers his speeches, podcast appearances and campaign materials with invocations of the Democratic Party legacies of his uncle President John F. Kennedy and his father, Robert F. Kennedy, his relatives have distanced themselves from him and even denounced him.
“He’s trading in on Camelot, celebrity, conspiracy theories and conflict for personal gain and fame,” Jack Schlossberg, President Kennedy’s grandson, said of his cousin in an Instagram video in July. “I’ve listened to him. I know him. I have no idea why anyone thinks he should be president. What I do know is, his candidacy is an embarrassment.”
Kennedy’s recent comments that C****-** could have been “ethnically targeted” to spare Ashken**i Jews and Chinese people — which he denies were antisemitic but concedes he should have worded more carefully — also drew a condemnation from his sister Kerry Kennedy.
The contradictions between what Kennedy says and his track record were nowhere more apparent than when he testified before a congressional committee in July at the invitation of Republican members.
Anti-v*****e activists, some who work for Kennedy’s nonprofit group Children’s Health Defense, sat in the rows behind him, watching as he insisted “I have never been anti-v**x. I have never told the public to avoid v******tion.”
But that’s not true. Again and again, Kennedy has made his opposition to v*****es clear. In July, Kennedy said in a podcast interview that “There’s no v*****e that is safe and effective” and told FOX News that he still believes in the long-ago debunked idea that v*****es can cause autism. In a 2021 podcast he urged people to “resist” CDC guidelines on when kids should get v*****es.
“I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them v******ted,” Kennedy said.
That same year, in a video promoting an anti-v*****e sticker campaign by his nonprofit, Kennedy appeared onscreen next to one sticker that declared “IF YOU’RE NOT AN ANTI-V**XER YOU AREN’T PAYING ATTENTION.”
A close examination of Kennedy’s campaign finance filings shows that the anti-v*****e movement lies at the heart of his campaign.
Several of his campaign staff and consultants have worked for his anti-v*****e group Children’s Health Defense, including Mary Holland, the group’s president on leave, campaign spokeswoman Stefanie Spear, and Zen Honeycutt, who hosted a show for the group’s TV channel, CHD TV.
Children’s Health Defense currently has a lawsuit pending against a number of news organizations, among them The Associated Press, accusing them of violating antitrust laws by taking action to identify misinformation, including about C****-** and C****-** v*****es.
The campaign paid KFP Consulting, a Texas-based company run by Del Bigtree, head of the anti-v*****e group ICAN, and a leading voice in the movement, more than $13,000 for communications consulting, the AP found. Bigtree appeared to still be working for the campaign last week, when an AP reporter saw him helping facilitate a Kennedy event in New York.
Kennedy also has received substantial support from activists who have spread misinformation about the c****av***s and v*****es, including Steve Kirsch, an entrepreneur who has falsely claimed C****-** v*****es k**l more people than they save, chiropractors Patrick Flynn and Kevin Stillwagon, and others.
Ty and Charlene Bollinger, who run an anti-v*****e business and who the AP has previously reported have had a financial relationship with Kennedy, gave more than $6,000. The couple, along with Kennedy’s communication consultant Bigtree, were involved in hosting a rally near the Capitol on J*** 6, and Ty Bollinger has said he was among the people who crowded at the Capitol doors in an attempt to get inside, though he said he did not enter.
The couple is a part of the Children's Health Defense lawsuit against AP and other media outlets.
American Values 2024, a super PAC supporting Kennedy, is run by close associates to Kennedy who have propped up anti-v*****e ideas — the former head of the New York chapter of Children’s Health Defense John Gilmore is its CEO and Kennedy’s publisher Tony Lyons is its co-chair.
The Kennedy campaign did not return emails seeking comment about a number of questions, including how he can say he is not anti-v*****e given his record and his support from anti-v*****e activists.
Kennedy’s run is also getting plenty of financial support from the right. A super PAC supporting Kennedy’s p**********l run, called Heal the Divide PAC, has deep ties to Republicans, F ederal E******n Commission records show.
The committee’s address is listed in the care of RTA Strategy, a campaign consulting firm that has been paid for its work to help elect Republicans including Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and the former Georgia Senate candidate Herschel Walker.
The PAC’s treasurer, who works for RTA Strategy, is Jason Boles, a past donor to Trump and many other Republicans who includes “MAGA” and “AmericaFirst” in his bio on the platform X, formerly known as Twitter.
Kennedy denied knowing Boles or the Heal the Divide PAC when it came up at the congressional hearing, saying, “I’ve never heard of Mr. Boles, and I’ve never heard of that super PAC.”
But video available online shows he was a guest speaker at a Heal the Divide event just two days earlier. The video features a “Heal the Divide 2024” logo with clips of him speaking at length about plans to back the U.S. dollar with bitcoin and precious metals.
Kennedy says that as president, he would fight for government honesty and t***sparency, heal the political divide, reverse economic decline, end war and preserve civil liberties. He has made freedom of speech a major part of his platform, arguing that the government’s communication with social media companies unfairly censors protected speech.
Kennedy's press office did not respond to several messages asking about his support from the far right.
It also did not respond to questions about whether his stance on bitcoin was at odds with being an environmentalist.
Kennedy lists the environment as one of six top priorities on his campaign website and has spent many years speaking against pollution and c*****e c****e as an environmental lawyer. Yet he has made supporting the energy-intensive cryptocurrency bitcoin a key part of his platform.
Bitcoin mining, the process of generating new coins, uses massive amounts of electricity — more than some entire countries use, said Scott Faber of the Environmental Working Group.
That’s because it works by tasking a network of supercomputers with solving complex mathematical puzzles — even as some other cryptocurrencies have adopted far more energy efficient mining methods.
“No one who claims to be an environmentalist could support a digital asset that needlessly consumes more electricity than all Americans use to power the lights in our homes,” Faber said. “In fact, bitcoin produces more climate pollution than any other digital asset.”
Despite the environmental downsides of bitcoin, some Democrats, including elected officials, have advocated for the currency.
Kennedy, for his part, told a crowd at Bitcoin 2023 that environmentalists like himself “will continue to pressure you to improve.” Online, he has promoted the argument that demand for bitcoin will boost investment in new renewable energy projects.
Regardless, his financial disclosure documents show he has already personally invested between $100,001 and $250,000 in bitcoin, and he promised at Bitcoin 2023 that he wouldn’t let the environmental argument hinder the currency’s use.
“As president, I will make sure that your right to hold and use bitcoin is inviolable,” he said.
During the past several years, Kennedy has cultivated his ties to the far right. He has appeared on Infowars, the channel run by Sandy Hook conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. He has granted interviews to Trump ally Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson. After he headlined a stop on the ReAwaken America Tour, the Christian nationalist road show put together by former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, he was photographed backstage with Flynn, Charlene Bollinger and Trump ally Roger Stone.
Those appearances have led to goodwill on the right, and he has found enthusiastic support among a segment of Trump’s base, with some suggesting him as a potential vice p**********l pick.
At a July 1 rally in the tiny town of Pickens, South Carolina, Adrian Palashevsky – a small businessman who described himself as more of a “libertarian” than a Republican – posited a unity ticket, with Kennedy as his top pick for Trump’s VP.
“I think they would get along just fine,” he said. “They’re both anti-establishment, and that’s why they’re under so much attack.”
DeSantis, one of Trump’s Republican challengers, has also indulged in praise for the fringe candidate, saying in a recent interview that while he wouldn’t make Kennedy vice president, he would consider appointing him to one of the federal agencies that regulates v*****e safety and protects public health.
“If you’re president, you know, sic him on the FDA if he’d be willing to serve, or sic him on CDC,” DeSantis said.
Not everyone is buying the Kennedy mystique.
At the annual meeting of the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials in New York a few weeks ago, Kennedy leaned heavily on his family legacy, mentioning his father’s alliance with labor leader Cesar Chavez and his uncle’s work in Latin American countries.
But in his nearly 20-minute speech, he didn’t lay out any plan or policy proposals of his own, or talk about specific issues facing the Latino community. He spent most of his time telling a story about getting arrested with the Mexican American actor Edward Olmos in 2001, an attempt at relating with the community that disappointed both Republicans and Democrats in the audience.
Mario Ceballos, president of a PAC representing L***Q+ Latinos, said Kennedy’s speech — and the candidate’s conspiracy theory beliefs — saddened him.
“When I was living in Mexico, Kennedy was an American president that my whole family respected,” Ceballos said. “And what he is presenting are esoteric, dangerous options that are actually going to hurt the same people that his father and uncle wanted to help.”
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Associated Press writers Jill Colvin in West Palm Beach, Florida, and Meg Kinnard in Pickens, South Carolina, contributed to this report.
___ The Associated Press receives support from several private foundations to enhance its explanatory coverage of e******ns and democracy. See more about AP’s democracy initiative here. The AP is solely responsible for all content.
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So Mr. Kennedy still qualifies as an anti-vaxer despite being v******ted because of his stand against some v*****es which he claims are harmful. That's not exactly an offensive title.
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Oct 5, 2023 20:20:15   #
Racmanaz wrote:
That may not be true, correct me if I am wrong about this.

'Ivermectin: enigmatic multifaceted ‘wonder’ drug continues to surprise and exceed expectations'

Abstract
Over the past decade, the global scientific community have begun to recognize the unmatched value of an extraordinary drug, ivermectin, that originates from a single microbe unearthed from soil in Japan. Work on ivermectin has seen its discoverer, Satoshi Ōmura, of Tokyo’s prestigious Kitasato Institute, receive the 2014 Gairdner Global Health Award and the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, which he shared with a collaborating partner in the discovery and development of the drug, William Campbell of Merck & Co. Incorporated. Today, ivermectin is continuing to surprise and excite scientists, offering more and more promise to help improve global public health by treating a diverse range of diseases, with its unexpected potential as an antibacterial, antiv***l and anti-cancer agent being particularly extraordinary.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711
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In many African countries, ivermectin is widely used for parasite infections. Because it is also antiv***l, this may be one factor in the low c***d fatalities.
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Oct 4, 2023 22:32:49   #
thom w wrote:
How long have you been into conspiracies? Conspiracies are easy to do, they aren't so easy to get away with. I read about the polio error. It was caused by a laboratory that wasn't experienced enough to have been producing the v*****e. There were only about 40 who suffered permanent injury. There were only about a dozen who died. There were lots that suffered temporary injury, but compared to the epidemic it was insignificant.


There used to be a saying in medicine; something like "first do no harm". Perhaps not so widely observed anymore.
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Oct 4, 2023 22:25:04   #
thom w wrote:
How many died from polio, and how many were disabled for the rest of their lives from polio. The only polio v*****e that used live v***s that I'm aware of was the sabine v******tion. The salk v*****e used only dead v***s. The c***d v*****e used no v***s.


I don't know those numbers but I do know that 40,000 children were infected with polio in 1955 by the faulty polio v*****e. If that is not a cautionary note about trusting v*****es for even the v*****e faithful then perhaps the final tally of the great spike protein experiment will be. Or not.
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Oct 4, 2023 21:45:00   #
thom w wrote:
Care to quote some numbers as to how many died of c***d vs how many died of the v*****e? Long c***d is supposed to be quite debilitating and I haven't heard of "long c***d v*****e reaction". I'm not a medical person but I was in charge of the oxygen, and I talked to lots of nurses, and I saw the vans from the mortuaries, and the ambulances. C***d was no joke. No one I know had more than a sore arm or a one day case of mild sniffles from the v*****e. They even brought in a refer van to use as an overflow morgue. People weren't scared of c***d because of what they heard on the news. They were scared because of what they saw.
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I don't know the numbers nor how to reliably research them in data that is deficient and badly c*********d by vested interests.
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Oct 4, 2023 21:05:01   #
There are some good v*****es and some bad v*****es. In 1955 a polio v*****e infected 40,000 children with polio. Basing a v*****e on spike proteins is a poor idea, not only because they are pathogenic but because they soon mutate into new strains thus requiring new boosters. This is great strategy for generating profits for v*****e makers but not so great for the jab takers who risk adverse effects with each added shot. The more jabs you take, the more your i****e s****m learns to accept these spike proteins as harmless. What happens when the real v***s infects you (vaxed people do get infected) and your i****e s****m has become too tolerant to launch a defense? The c***d v*****e is a lame v*****e and a reckless experiment. But I'm not an "expert" so what do I know?
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Oct 4, 2023 18:13:01   #
dakotacheryl wrote:
Joe Wang - Author
Joe Wang, Ph.D., was a molecular biologist with more than 10 years of experience in the v*****e industry. He is now the president of NTD Television Network (Canada), and a columnist for The Epoch Times.



The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine has been awarded to Dr. Katalin Kariko of Hungary and Dr. Drew Weissman of the United States “for their discoveries concerning nucleoside base modifications that enabled the development of effective m**A v*****es against C****-**.”
According to the Oct. 2 announcement, Kariko and Weissman “noticed that dendritic cells recognize in vitro t***scribed m**A as a foreign substance, which leads to their activation and the release of inflammatory signaling molecules.”

The Decline and Fall of the Experts

10/3/2023
The Decline and Fall of the Experts
Scientists Receive Nobel Prize for Development That Led to C****-** V*****es

10/2/2023
Scientists Receive Nobel Prize for Development That Led to C****-** V*****es
In common English, “in vitro t***scribed m**A” means foreign m**A molecules introduced into one’s body; “dendritic cells” are part of the immune defence; and “inflammatory” reactions are signals indicating that the i****e s****m is working against invaders.

In other words, Kariko and Weissman noticed that the human body would naturally consider any injected RNA as a foreign and harmful substance and would launch an immune defence against it.
Fooling the I****e S****m

What the two scientists had developed was a way to modify the RNA molecule by chemically replacing one of the four building blocks of RNA uridine with pseudo-uridine. The goal was to fool the human i****e s****m (dendritic cells) to treat the modified RNA as non-foreign and non-harmful. The injected modified RNA can then escape the attack from the immune defence.
There are four building blocks—A for adenine, C for cytosine, G for guanine, and U for uridine—for any m**A molecule.

This technology made it possible for the development of the RNA-based C****-** v*****es, as the modified RNA molecules from the v*****es could now survive in the human body (without being destroyed by the i****e s****m) for a long time.

When injected into the body, the modified RNA would hijack the host cells to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The host cells would then have the v***l S protein on their surface. The i****e s****m would consider the S protein foreign and launch immune responses against it.

People who took the m**A jab would hopefully have anti-spike T-cells and B-cells ready, so when infected by SARS-CoV-2, the protection would be there to prevent the disease and subsequent hospitalization from happening. At least this was the designed outcome of the m**A-based C****-** v*****es.
RNA and Messenger RNA

For people like me who have a Ph.D. in molecular biology, words like DNA, RNA, protein, etc., are very much part of our daily vocabulary. Even though DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) and protein are common in our regular conversations, RNA (ribonucleic acid) is pretty much reserved for those working in the field, not to mention m**A (messenger RNA), a kind of RNA that is normally single-stranded, with a function of carrying a message for the ribosome to read in order to produce proteins.
Thanks to the C****-** p******c and the unprecedented v******tion efforts in the past three years, m**A has now become a household word. But what is m**A? Do the C****-** v*****es contain real m**A?
The ‘Central Dogma’ of Molecular Biology and m**A

For as long as human civilization, people had been wondering what is passed down from parents to a child that makes the child look like the parents. DNA's role in heredity was confirmed in 1952 when Alfred Hershey and Martha Chase in the Hershey–Chase experiment showed that DNA is the genetic material of the enterobacteria phage T2.
One year later, in 1953, American James Watson and Brit Francis Crick discovered the double helix structure of the DNA molecule, for which they won the 1962 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. This discovery laid the foundation for molecular biology. Crick declared that he and Watson had “discovered the secret of life.”

Then, how does DNA make heredity work? We know that proteins are the building blocks to sustain life. How does information flow from DNA to proteins?

In 1957, Crick discovered the “central dogma” of molecular biology, which is basically DNA makes RNA makes protein.

Simply put, our human c********es are made of DNA, which contains an estimated 100,000 genes. Every protein-coding gene contains information for the line-up of amino acids that make the protein. The following two steps are needed: transcription from DNA to m**A, and t***slation from m**A to protein.

In other words, m**A is the messenger, the “delivery guy.”

Similar to a postman delivering a parcel, which shouldn’t take more than a minute at a door, typical m**As are short-lived, lasting only a few minutes before degradation. The four building blocks (A, C, G, U) are released and reused after the degradation.

When I initially heard that the C****-** v*****es used m**A, the first thing came to my mind was, “Oh, it is m**A. It will not stay in the body for too long.”

I was wrong.

On the website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), it claims that the following would happen after v******tion with the C****-** v*****es: “After the body produces an immune response, it discards all of the v*****e ingredients, just as it would discard any substance that cells no longer need. This process is a part of normal body functioning.”
Well, because uridines are now replaced with pseudo-uridines, we know that the modified RNA now lives in the body for months and can even find its way into babies through mother’s milk, according to peer-reviewed studies.
Since the modified RNA stays in the body and travels around the body, it may end up in many undesirable places. If the host cells (heart muscle cells, for example) carry the v***l spike protein on their surface, the heart tissues could be a target by the i****e s****m, resulting in autoimmune disorders. Could this be the cause for the unusually high myocarditis and pericarditis cases reported as a result of the jab?

The Trojan Horse Effect

Basic biology tells us that m**A created in the body is meant to be short-lived, and the i****e s****m would simply reject any RNA coming in from the outside. Foreign RNA would be considered harmful and our dendritic cells would launch immune attacks against them if they entered our bodies.
This system worked well for humans for thousands of years. Then came the invention of the modified RNA by Kariko and Weissman.

If the C***D v*****e RNA injected into the body is beneficial, as has been claimed by almost all official health organizations (World Health Organization, CDC, etc.) and now by the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet, then the work by Kariko and Weissman may have indeed helped saved millions of lives.
If, however, the RNA injected into the body is not benign and could cause harm, then this technology in effect plays the role of a Trojan horse by helping an enemy furtively enter the body and do damage.
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Thanks for the explanation of a complicated biology.
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Oct 4, 2023 13:11:02   #
thom w wrote:
Everyone was panicked. I believe they acted in good faith. I'm at a disadvantage here. You are a doctor and I'm not. I'm not sure that makes you an expert, but it may. I certainly am not.


Yes, the fear mongering campaign did cause a lot of panic and huge profits for big Pharma.
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Oct 4, 2023 02:03:26   #
sourdough58 wrote:
Watch this to find out how the vax was developed https://youtu.be/mfLycFHBsro?si=niCybusd-PLr3sim


Thanks for that link sourdough58. That video is a jaw-dropping history of the c***d p******c money machine.
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Oct 4, 2023 01:27:30   #
Ok, all good. I do not take medical advice from Robert Kennedy or Anthony F***i. A New York Times Best Selling Author is I think worthy of some consideration and respect for a meticulously researched book about such an influential character as F***i.
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Oct 3, 2023 23:25:21   #
Dbrow411 wrote:
This is a forum that I participate in precisely for the fact that it's a respite from political nonsense. This will be my last comment on this one but I can't leave without pointing out the fact that Dr. Fauchi is one of the foremost infectious disease experts in this country. Every time I see comments like this, it's based on a political agenda rather than anything remotely resembling a fact. I'm done on this one.


If you really prefer facts to religious-like belief in F***i, check out "The Real Anthony F***i" by Robert Kennedy Jr. I hope you are open minded enough to take a look.
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Oct 3, 2023 22:16:20   #
TriX wrote:
To treat intestinal parasitic worms, not C***d


Right on and yet some people believe it's only for horses.
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Oct 3, 2023 22:03:27   #
TriX wrote:
Well said Bill. Nothing scares me more for this country than the anti-vax, anti-science, anti-c*****e c****e, anti-education, everything is a “deep state” conspiracy wing of our population.


Fear not TriX; like our PM Trudeau famously said, we are just a small fringe minority. If all your boosters still leave you in fear we the few unclean ones then how good are they?
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Oct 3, 2023 21:39:06   #
TriX wrote:
So let’s be clear here - are you anti vax in general, or just anti the C***d v*****e?


I've been v******ted for Tetanus, Smallpox and I think a v*****e for Tuberculosis but not sure about that one. The c***d vax required a redefinition of what a v*****e actually is. I am opposed to an injection of m**a that would cause my cells to churn out spike proteins. I don't like spike proteins and try to avoid them by either infection or injection.
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Oct 3, 2023 21:14:36   #
ggttc wrote:
Because it had the biggest anti vax movement.

Did you or anyone you know ever have polio? Just asking.


Yes a classmate in elementary school was a polio survivor. He was a bit shorter than average due to the polio but very strong and fit.
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