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Nobel Prize for medicine awarded to the developers of the C***d v*****e
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Oct 2, 2023 11:17:00   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, who together identified a chemical tweak to messenger RNA, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine on Monday. Their work enabled potent C***d v*****es to be made in less than a year, averting tens of millions of deaths and helping the world recover from the worst p******c in a century.

The approach to m**A the two researchers developed has been used in C***d shots that have since been administered billions of times globally and has t***sformed v*****e technology, laying the foundation for inoculations that may one day protect against a number of deadly diseases like cancer.

The slow and methodical research that made the C***d shots possible has now run up against a powerful anti-v*****e movement, especially in the United States. Skeptics have seized in part on the v*****es’ rapid development — among the most impressive feats of modern medical science — to undermine the public’s trust in them.

But the breakthroughs behind the shots unfolded little by little over decades, including at the University of Pennsylvania, where Dr. Weissman runs a lab.

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Oct 2, 2023 11:32:05   #
ricardo00
 
Well deserved Noble prize! And you did a nice job describing the slow and painful process that went into the development of these powerful v*****es (Dr. Kariko lost her job at University of Penn since she couldn't get funding to continue this work which was progressing too slowly for the funding agencies).

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Oct 2, 2023 15:01:31   #
TimmyKnowles Loc: Gallup, New Mexico
 
TriX wrote:
Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, who together identified a chemical tweak to messenger RNA, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine on Monday. Their work enabled potent C***d v*****es to be made in less than a year, averting tens of millions of deaths and helping the world recover from the worst p******c in a century.

The approach to m**A the two researchers developed has been used in C***d shots that have since been administered billions of times globally and has t***sformed v*****e technology, laying the foundation for inoculations that may one day protect against a number of deadly diseases like cancer.

The slow and methodical research that made the C***d shots possible has now run up against a powerful anti-v*****e movement, especially in the United States. Skeptics have seized in part on the v*****es’ rapid development — among the most impressive feats of modern medical science — to undermine the public’s trust in them.

But the breakthroughs behind the shots unfolded little by little over decades, including at the University of Pennsylvania, where Dr. Weissman runs a lab.
Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, who together ide... (show quote)


Yes, quite an impressive feat. I still cannot believe all the grief these scientists caught over the v*****es. They are the true heroes of the age.

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Oct 2, 2023 17:09:49   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Thanks for the post. It helps me understand more why my trust in the v*****e was justified. I h**e to say this, but when I looked at WHO was pro and WHO was con, I wanted to be with the PRO team!!! Now wasn't that totally empirical and rational??

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Oct 2, 2023 20:58:41   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, who together identified a chemical tweak to messenger RNA, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine on Monday. Their work enabled potent C***d v*****es to be made in less than a year, averting tens of millions of deaths and helping the world recover from the worst p******c in a century.

The approach to m**A the two researchers developed has been used in C***d shots that have since been administered billions of times globally and has t***sformed v*****e technology, laying the foundation for inoculations that may one day protect against a number of deadly diseases like cancer.

The slow and methodical research that made the C***d shots possible has now run up against a powerful anti-v*****e movement, especially in the United States. Skeptics have seized in part on the v*****es’ rapid development — among the most impressive feats of modern medical science — to undermine the public’s trust in them.

But the breakthroughs behind the shots unfolded little by little over decades, including at the University of Pennsylvania, where Dr. Weissman runs a lab.
Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, who together ide... (show quote)


It's amazing research and development with HUGE implications for disease prevention, avoidance, and mitigation. Science is a methodology that often takes many years or decades to produce solid results, with lots of running down dead-end rabbit holes along the way. Then again, serendipitous breakthroughs occur. Chance favors the prepared mind, so knowing what MIGHT work, based on what one has done in the past and sees in the present, can put one in the position to guide teams to solve critical problems.

Thank goodness for diligent folks like these two! They are worthy Nobel recipients.

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Oct 2, 2023 21:35:52   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
Averting tens of millions of deaths is wonderful advertising hype, but where is the actual proof of that imaginary number?

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Oct 2, 2023 22:24:23   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
ruzbynik wrote:
Averting tens of millions of deaths is wonderful advertising hype, but where is the actual proof of that imaginary number?


This was a quote from The NY Times (should have put it in quotes), but they appear to be on pretty firm ground…

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/c****-**-v*****es-saved-estimated-20-million-lives-1-year

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext

https://www.webmd.com/v*****es/c****-**-v*****e/news/20221213/c***d-v*****es-saved-more-than-3-million-us-lives

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/07/07/c****-**-v*****es-saved-an-estimated-20m-lives-during-their-first-year

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Oct 3, 2023 00:15:45   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
They appear to be proper estimates based on mathematical modeling. If you look at death rates in highly v******ted countries vs unv******ted it suggests that the actual data doesn't jive with those estimates. The least v******ted countries have the lowest deaths from c***d. Why does the US have the worlds highest death toll?

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Oct 3, 2023 00:41:17   #
ricardo00
 
ruzbynik wrote:
They appear to be proper estimates based on mathematical modeling. If you look at death rates in highly v******ted countries vs unv******ted it suggests that the actual data doesn't jive with those estimates. The least v******ted countries have the lowest deaths from c***d. Why does the US have the worlds highest death toll?


There are many reasons for different rates in different countries, from different genetic make-ups, different predisposing factors (higher obesity rates in the US, higher levels of asthma/allergies in developed countries, etc), as well as potential under reporting in some countries (ie. China, India, etc). On the other hand, modeling always makes assumptions, so it is hard to quantify the exact value of a C***D v*****e though based on the clinical trials, I personally choose to get them.

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Oct 3, 2023 00:44:55   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
ruzbynik wrote:
They appear to be proper estimates based on mathematical modeling. If you look at death rates in highly v******ted countries vs unv******ted it suggests that the actual data doesn't jive with those estimates. The least v******ted countries have the lowest deaths from c***d. Why does the US have the worlds highest death toll?


Absolutely not true - at 1.1%, the US isn’t even close in eIther percentage or total deaths: https://c****av***s.jhu.edu/data/mortality

And

Higher C****-** V******tion Rates Are Associated with Lower C****-** Mortality: A Global Analysis” (NIH)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9862920/

Are you trying to have an anti-science or anti-vax argument? The facts are not on your side.





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Oct 3, 2023 08:05:17   #
apacs1 Loc: Lansdale, PA
 
ruzbynik wrote:
Averting tens of millions of deaths is wonderful advertising hype, but where is the actual proof of that imaginary number?


Don't get v******ted. Use clorox.

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Oct 3, 2023 08:44:40   #
srron Loc: Courtice,On.
 
Funny how in 40 years there is still no v*****e for HIV and in over 100 years there is no v*****e for the common cold but in less than a year 4 different companies come up with one all in the same week and somehow managed to compress a minimum of 10 years testing into 9 months

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Oct 3, 2023 08:58:03   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
srron wrote:
Funny how in 40 years there is still no v*****e for HIV and in over 100 years there is no v*****e for the common cold but in less than a year 4 different companies come up with one all in the same week and somehow managed to compress a minimum of 10 years testing into 9 months


Just a guess, but could it be because c****av***ses have been around for a long time and aren't new?

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Oct 3, 2023 09:02:38   #
BebuLamar
 
SteveR wrote:
Just a guess, but could it be because c****av***ses have been around for a long time and aren't new?


First reported c****av***s infection was in 1920. But I think not in human.

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Oct 3, 2023 09:06:00   #
sourdough58 Loc: Maine
 
Watch this to find out how the vax was developed https://youtu.be/mfLycFHBsro?si=niCybusd-PLr3sim

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