The Attic is the place for this sort of discussion.....
And typical to most liberals....when presented with a strong opposing argument .... you are unable to reply with facts or even a thought out opinion.....

No offense to you personally, as I'd love to win you over.... But ..... You have to read /watch more than MSM

NO... The Media reported what their exit poling and early v**er results showed
VA was called for Biden by Fox News before 7:30 PM.... that's BS

What matters to me are instances of Fraud and V**er manipulation and Clear Desregard for the V**er Laws of Each State .... The fact that the politicians don't want to "make waves" in their state for fear of losing v**es is immaterial to me..... I give a fk....
V**er /V****g laws created by individual legislators of each state should be followed.... period

1...the allegations of fraud are not baseless

2.... Please subscribe to another news source

If you are a liberal, you'll probably stick your head in the MSM Sand and not read this.....
But I wish you would.... It's 5 minutes of your time & explains why....

Hint: It has nothing to do with the death rates of children or teachers!

Tucker Carlson: F***i admits what we all knew months ago -- schools must stay open

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-anthony-f***i-schools-must-stay-open

I find it hilarious that after 4 years of Trump.... 5 years... Hell, 15 years of Trump being a well known individual... That people still seem ignorant, (and in the case of the media... intentionally so),.... Ignorant in how Trump operates...

Trump .... I WANT THIS!
Other.... That's crazy.. No!
Trump.... I want this and now I want this too!
Other.... What? You are asking for more now?
Trump... I want more but not from you.... I'll get what I want from somewhere else!
Other.... Wait.. Wait... Let's make a deal!
.... And the deal is made and Trump gets what he wants....

Look this has worked for him with Mexico, Canada, The EU, North Korea, Middle East, Fighting Terrorist (he got others to do the heavy field work), getting Mexico to stop the influx of i******s crossing into their southern borders, also Supreme Court /District /Appelet Court appointees, Prison Reform, Lowered Taxes, C***d ** V*****es, getting respirators manufactured by Ford Motor Company for crying out loud!!!, and the list goes on and on....

People, it's not rocket science... There is not a single v**er in the United States who, in the future, won't look twice at a V****g Machine and just wonder if their v**e is getting counted.... Or who won't look at the Postal Service and ask, is that postal supervisor going to be honest w/ my mail in b****t?.....

Trump, with his tried and true and effective methods is making us aware that Mail in B****t fraud occurred!..... Maybe not nationwide, but yes, it occurred and it needs to be corrected!

Ask yourself.... Seriously ask yourself.... "Am I as confident in the e******n process now, as I was 10/15 years ago?

If your answer is no, you can thank your President for making you aware..... because if it wasn't for him you would have just accepted wh**ever the Media told you to accept!

And this.... My fellow UHH friends, is why Trump is still Fighting.... He is fighting for Americans... All Americans.... He's fighting for future e******n integrity!

I do hope the Liberals and Never Trumper's will read this link... It's short /concise / yet it's still incomplete....

NOW: if all readers want to do is blame Trump for C***d ** Deaths.... Go to your closet with a mask on... Well wake you in the Spring

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I looked for my list and I could not find it in my phone but this LINK sums up my views

I think you need to add two more Arab countries that are in peace agreements with Israel and I think you need to add one more Supreme Court Justice....

https://herald-review.com/opinion/columnists/robert-mooth-trumps-list-of-accomplishments-lengthy/article_b258e508-df8a-557f-9376-40b846838486.html

Thank you to all of you who put such good thought and time into your replies.

For some odd reason, I was never notified by UHH of a single response.... I only signed on at this late hour out of curiosity if my post was even still there.

I'll most likely read of all these responses again but my general thought is we all agree that the metrics in place tell us very little.

NYC is closing schools because the C***d ** infection rate bounced over 3%

You've heard Trump say the reason the rate is growing is because more people are getting tested.......

The RIGHT will criticize NY for closing schools and the LEFT criticize Trump for his statement......

Let's look at this WITHOUT Partisan opinions
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The infection percentage is based on the number of people who get tested.... There are three methods used (see the attachment)


Now, if your neighbor feels great, if your mother feels great, if your daughter feels great, if people in your church feel great, .....
Are these people going to get tested?
I say NO!

If you have a stopped up sinus, if you feel sluggish, if you coughed this morning, if you have a slight fever but no other real symptoms, are you going to jump in your car and rush down, stand in line with other sick people to be tested? I say No! .... Drive up in your car and wait to get tested?.... I say No!

If though, you have multiple symptoms of C***d **, are you going to be tested? I say Yes!

Soooo, back to the % rates....... For the sake of argument, let's say 75% of the people getting tested feel they have a HIGH % of being positive, but only 3% of those same people actually test positive, then what's the big fuss? That's really a small % of the population..... just 2.25 people out of the 100 who for what ever reason got tested.

Let's bump the numbers from 100 to 1,000 people (to include 900 healthy people the 100 people interact with - 9 people each) and the infection rate becomes 0.225%.

If NYC wants to shut down the schools, wouldn't a better Test Method be to test 100% of every child, teacher, and staff from a number of randomly selected schools to see what a True infection rate is?

And back to Trump.... Doesn't it make sense now... The more tests administered will trigger a higher %rate?

Please see the store original before commenting ........

And for UHH Sake, keep this thread civil!

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Im thinking he will run....

NO..... BIDEN did not win! LMAO.... Only the ill-informed and weak of mind would think that Biden won.....

If Biden is inaugurated in January.... Know That the Mainstream Media and Big Tech Won! They won over the weak and gullible and brainwashed minds who v**ed for Biden....

Come on People..... If you can understand the basics of Shutter, Aperture and ISO, you must know that the Media was in charge... Not your v**e or your opinions!... the media never asked Biden to come out of his basement and never pressured him with any real questions when he did!! They covered for him. The Media even wrote his speeches! (fact look it up)

People...... Wake up!

Thank You........ Excellent question

But the typical Lefty reply is.... Buuuut Trump is an "(their adjective of choice)"

LOL. The LEFT FOLLOWED the Russian Collusion Lies for years and were buffalo'ed so far deep that they v**ed just as the MSM told them to v**e...... In fact, CNN employed people as a propaganda mouthpiece, who knew the Russian H**x was false..... because they were in the room with Obama when the scheme WAS APPROVED as a distraction to HRC "lost/hidden" 33,000 emails!

The egg in the face award goes to LIBERALS who can't think on their own....

You are a typical R****t Lefty!... Yes you! Suggesting that I don't like Harris because of her ethnicity makes YOU the r****t, not me!

Biden was not nominated because of his policies.... He won his nomination because he was the least progressive of all the candidates!... Biden picked Harris because she was a woman and because of her race... So asswipe, by YOUR definition.. Biden is the R****t!

And to be clear, if I v**ed in the Democrat Primary, I would have v**ed for Biden too, for the same reasons Liberals did, but I would have never selected a Socialist, who got Zero Primary support as my running mate, simply because she was female and of African American descent.

To the rest of the people following this thread..... Do not turn this into a racial argument..... That discussion ends here!