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May 9, 2022 20:36:31   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I disagree with anyone who proclaims that anyone who wants to learn about anything they have forgotten, never studied, doesn't know about, or wants to learn about should not endeavour to research, read about, attend classes or just asl advice about that particular subject.

True enough, some folks have a natural "eye" or propensity for composition, placement of objects or elements within a frame, and creating images that direct the viewer's eye to the motif of the image. Some folks may not have that inborn talent but can learn to apply certain basic principles. Some other fol may have the tale but it must be developed.

I am not suggesting that any needs to follow strict rules or draw diagrams on their camera's viewing screen but there are a few basic guidelines that may help the uninitiated. Understanding someof these basics may help in understanding all kinds of traditional and more contemporary artworks of all kinds.

Compositio goes further than proportion and placement. It has to do with colour, tone, space, mood, rhythm, pose, lines and more.

It's a hell of a lot more interesting than always discussing camera brands' filters, whether or not to post process or not sitting around and counting pixcels and worrying about diffraction!

Books? If you can find anything written by Gerhard Bakker- here is a link that you can research;
https://www.dyxum.com/DFORUM/a-tribute-to-gerhard-bakker_topic61122.html

An old friend of mine Fran Kristian wrote a GREAT thesis on "The Powe of Composition". He self-published a few editions and sady passed aya before it went into serious distribution. Ihave a copy. You may fine one online
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Oh, my goodness, thank you for your comments. After posting and receiving one sane response and then seeing the issue become a matter of US vs THEM, I was beginning to lose faith.

While I decided that I wouldn't get involved in the back and forth that so often evolves from comments that were intended to be simple queries, your response convinced me that there are members of this group who can look at an issue with objectivity and draw logical conclusions.

I have never read a book on composition. When asked about composition by one of my students, I generally put my hand on my chest and say, "It comes from in here." But many people can't relate to such an abstract explanation. They want, and need, discussions of rule of thirds, negative space, leading lines, triangles, and on and on. As their teacher, I feel it's my job to point them to sources from which they can glean formal, more detailed explanations. It's a great thing when a student sees me hold my hand to my chest, smiles knowingly, and says. "Yeah, I get it."

But not everyone "gets it" so easily. Some people need more formal instruction. "Pedantic" has become a bad word nowadays, but sometimes being pedantic ensures that the baseline information is delivered. Sometimes a teacher has to settle for delivering the skeleton of a lesson and pray that the student will gain the understanding that allows the flesh and blood to be attached through experience and practice.

As I said in my original post, it's been years since I began my journey in photography. I didn't hear about the rule of thirds or leading lines or any of that stuff until I joined my first camera club; that was about nine years ago. By that time I'd had over a dozen images appear as magazing covers, had been in a gallery where I sold many photographs, and had been offered an opportunity to teach photography at a major botanical garden.

I'm not asking anyone to praise or even follow me. All I'm asking is "Do you know of a book that will give a neophyte some insights into good composition?" If you don't, thank you for reading. Now move on. If you do know of such a book, please share the title. Don't tell me what I can and cannot teach. All I'm trying to do is help someone become a better photographer even if he doesn't understand what it means when i place my hand over my heart. Use another discussion to air your feelings about what can or cannot be taught; I have a job to do.
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May 9, 2022 16:41:07   #
I'm an old photographer--I started in 1968--so when a student asked me to recommend a book that addresses composition, I was stumped. I've been photographing for so long I can't even remember where I learned how to compose an image. I'm not sure I ever read a book; I suspect that I just used my intuition.

I could probably write a book on composition, but knowing which to tell someone to read is not within my ken. Please think about this and let me know what you'd recommend. Thank you in advance.
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May 3, 2022 15:21:09   #
Been there; it's a place that's certainly worth visiting.
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May 3, 2022 15:19:01   #
I hate to be contrary, but I'd be most interested in the Norton that's sitting next to the Indian. It's a Manxman if I'm not mistaken. That was one heck of a bike.
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May 3, 2022 15:11:15   #
A very happy anniversary to you and the lovely lady to whom you're wed. Let's toast to many more years.
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Apr 28, 2022 09:02:50   #
jerryc41 wrote:
You're being too kind.

He might have just misplaced a vowel.
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Apr 27, 2022 15:43:52   #
Jbrustrom wrote:
Would it help you guys to know that this was shot while in a car with the window down, waiting for a stop light to change? Your above suggestions are good, but in this case, totally impractical.

That’s a totally different situation.
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Apr 27, 2022 12:51:34   #
This beautiful image would have benefited greatly by having a sheet of black card stock held behind the sprig of blossoms.
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Apr 27, 2022 12:37:37   #
I am so impressed by the OP’s thoughtful approach to this discussion and so disappointed by the inability of all those who have found it impossible to follow the directions. The OP asked us to, “[f]or the moment, set aside the photographer. Pretend he is nobody and the photo not famous. Just focus on the photo and its visible qualities.” Very few have been able to do what they were asked.

I’ll try.

I looked at the image for a long time, trying to figure out what the photographer wanted me to see. I couldn’t figure it out. The crosses that some find compelling didn’t even register for me until I really worked hard at it. The moon is so small I discounted its importance.The structures are undistinguished, so I don’t know if they are important. The clouds are so effected by the long exposure that they have lost their ethereal appeal. In short, had I taken the photograph, I wouldn’t have bothered to print it.

I like images that conger up a story. The story produced by this image begins, “Once upon a time there was a really boring place that was the absolute antithesis of Yosemite National Park, where both great and mediocre photographers went to create art.”
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Apr 18, 2022 20:46:46   #
Gorgeous image.
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Apr 18, 2022 20:45:20   #
Great set!
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Apr 18, 2022 20:40:25   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Jerry you sound like my ex mother in law who I still love dearly. She is/was forever coming up with ideas for OTHERS to do. I suspect most of us have our own things we want to do. Looking through the photos of others to come up with some sort of a match sounds like the most boring thing in the world other than watching grass grow or concrete start to develop cracks.

Have a wonderful day,

Dennis
I wonder if that’s Jerry’s point. I know that I get bored sick by all the eagle, hummingbird, great horned owl, egret, ad nauseum images that are so alike as to be boring. If you get a shot of a bald eagle slicing pickles to place in tuna salad, post it. If you get a shot of a bald eagle perched in a tree or flying while clutching a fish, love it and keep it in your collection. Collect and share dynamic images, not cliches.
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Apr 18, 2022 20:28:17   #
I’ve got to be honest with you: Gators scare the beejeebers out of me. Great shot, but I’d have used a 7.62mm.
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Apr 13, 2022 16:23:10   #
“Horse In Fog” and “Light On Wire” are my picks, but that’s a great set of images.
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Apr 10, 2022 13:52:05   #
It could be the cable releases. They can weigh you down. Great post.
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