Croce, let's talk about voter fraud and not try to deflect the discussion to libraries and check cashing. Statistically, voter fraud in Florida is not a serious problem. If you want to hold the absolutist position that one fraudulent vote is "serious," so be it. But if we had a city of several million people and there was only one burglary, we would not consider that burglary is a serious problem in that city.

Now, can I say it again loud and clear: No one is in favor of voter fraud here. Not Republicans. No Democrats. So stop waving that red herring in the air.

I, too, am a poll worker. We don't have to show an ID in California to vote. Vote fraud statistically is NOT a serious problem in my part of the world, and no one has presented statistics to show that it is in Florida, either. (If they have, tell us where to find the actual statistics.)

What we need to examine to make a judgement about this situation is not only what goes on at the polling places, but what goes on outside the polling places. The fact remains that many people most likely to vote Democratic -- elderly people and African-Americans, and especially elderly African-Americans -- do not drive, and hence lack a picture ID, which is what is required. These people tend to vote Democratic (and I am sure you know this).

Can you not see that statistically this skews the sample of who will vote ? The fewer African-Americans and the fewer elderly who vote, the greater chances Republicans have of winning. Or, rephrased another way, get rid of a certain percentage of your opposition and you will have a better chance of winning. Simple mathematics, not Republic or Democratic. However, the higher ups in the Republican Party are aware of this, which is why they are pushing voter ID requirements so vigorously.

Is voting by illegal aliens such as Mexicans and Central Americans statistically a significantly problem ion Florida elections ? No. Why ? Because illegal aliens don't want to put themselves into a position where they just might be caught being here illegally, and thus deported. Illegal aliens, by the very nature of their position in this country, tend to stay away from trying to vote.

To sum it up, the Republican Party wishes to scare away people who could vote legally but who would tend to vote for Democrats. I cannot explain it more clearly. If you don't wish to believe this, then just tell us you don't believe it and we don't need to have further discussions about this. I rest my case, and probably won't continue to contribute to this thread.