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Dec 19, 2016 02:45:55   #
DJO wrote:
Auto focus lenses are unbelievably bulky when compared to their manual focus counterparts. Maybe less weight due to the inordinate amount of crappy plastic.


Nikon's AF-D lenses, some of which are still made, are not much more bulky than their older manual lenses. Their focusing in the manual mode is not as smooth as a good manual lens, but it's adequate. I think that what makes newer autofocus lenses so bulky is incorporating motors and electronics inside. It's really the glass inside that makes the lens, but I have to agree that some of the newer autofocus lenses are real monsters compared with the older lenses in terms of size and weight.
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Dec 19, 2016 02:39:40   #
phyprof wrote:
It is all about what motivates us to go out and enjoy photography. It has nothing to do with equipment. I am envious of your D 810.

I still use a D 700 but I really like this camera. It was a retirement gift from my wife and daughter.


I sometimes just put a 12 megapixel Canon Powershot in my pocket when I'm out and about, and I've taken some great pictures with it. But what you see is what you get. The Nikon D800e and then the D810 took things to a different level. With good lenses, you get medium format quality and the ability to crop heavily without noticeable loss of quality. You can't do that to the same extent with lesser cameras. Just the appearance of the pictures in general is eye popping compared with anything else I've ever used. Now that they're apparently "dumping" this camera with heavy discounts, including bundles with the 24-120 lens, I wonder if a replacement is on the near horizon. I can think of ways they could make the camera better, but I think 36 megapixels already challenges most lenses and exceeds their ability to resolve detail.
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Dec 19, 2016 02:30:04   #
DJO wrote:
I never left. I have one auto focus dx 18-55 kit lens. The amount of distortion is embarrassing. On the other hand, my arsenal of Nikon Ai/ Ais lenses are always sharp and have never let me down:

200mm f4.0, 80-200mm f4.5, 200mm f4.0 micro, 135mm f2.8, 75-150mm f3.5, 50-135mm f3.5, 105mm f2.8 micro, 85mm f2.8, 55mm f2.8 micro, 50mm f1.4, 43-86mm f3.5, 28mm f2.8.

Notice that all of my zoom lenses have a constant aperture.

Nearly all of these manual focus lenses are now worth more than I paid for them.

Many of you say your eyes aren't what they used to be. I've have had poor vision since birth. Not once during my career did I see my subject in sharp focus through the lens. I pressed the shutter when it was the least blurry!!!

When AF came around people told me to sell all of my manual focus lenses; they were nothing more than paper weights. How wrong they were. Instead I bought more of them on the cheap.
I never left. I have one auto focus dx 18-55 kit ... (show quote)


All three of your micro lenses are legendary. Your 80-200 f4.5 is as sharp as anything new. (I bought the f4 that replaced it, and it's tack sharp too.) I still have and use a 55mm f3.5 micro that predates your f2.8. I don't own a sharper lens, though it lacks a floating element for distance correction and is optimized for working close. I have a 50mm f1.4 that was my go to lens in the 70s. I put the AI aperture ring on it myself. Nikon has never made a 50mm lens, expensive or cheap, that isn't very sharp. The one "lemon" I see in all of your lenses is the 43-86 zoom. Not one of their best.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:20:11   #
phyprof wrote:
I was fortunate to teach at a college that had a wonderful darkroom I bought my supplies and had access to lots of good equipment. Since retiring I scan my negatives but I have found a photographer that will rent darkroom space. Back in the saddle again. 😄


I have all of the equipment to be "back in the saddle again" sitting in my garage, Omega D2 enlarger with condensers/lenses for 35mm and 4 x5, the two formats I used back in the day. I have the tanks, trays and other equipment to make it work. I think my son in law will end up using it if he gets a larger place to live with room for a darkroom. I have nothing against darkroom work, but I've personally moved past black and white. Looking back on the many photos I took in college in black and white, they aren't so much an artistic expression as they are something that dates the photos and makes them look dated. (though I've very lucky to have them) This is just my personal feeling. I know that many still enjoy doing darkroom work. Besides, I'm so enthralled with the Nikon D810 that I bought that I feel like a kid at Christmas every day that I take the camera out. This is what keeps my interest going at a high level.
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Dec 18, 2016 17:22:51   #
phyprof wrote:
All true. But for me it is worth the effort. I have four camera bodies. Two are the Nikon FA and FE. Both small lightweight bodies. Then I have Nikon F90x and N90s which are the same body, just one is the European designation. They are larger, but I can have four different film types loaded at one time.

Something I like to do when I am in town with some time to kill is take one body, one lens, and one roll of 36 exposures (sometimes two rolls) and do a walkabout. The lens I use for this is a fixed focal length (manual focus and aperture) lens. I choose between 24, 35, 50, 85, 135, and 200 mm. You do get to know your lens. It is a hoot. Just don't be in a rush.
All true. But for me it is worth the effort. I hav... (show quote)


What do you do with all of this film that you shoot? Just curious. If you're just scanning it like many people these days, you're wasting time and money. A first generation image out of a camera sensor with the quality we now have will have more and better information than a second generation scan of film. These are reasons why I gave up film completely. I gave away my Nikkormat FT3. I gave away my Nikon FA. I kept my Nikon FTn for sentimental reasons (gift brand new from my father in 1969), but I'll never use it again.

I am stuck with perhaps thousands of rolls of film accumulated over decades of time. The idea of scanning it all is overwhelming, and I need to do it to be able to distribute the same pictures to all of my children. I bought a Canon flatbed, film capable scanner 3 years ago, and it is still in the box. I was born at the wrong time :-)
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Dec 17, 2016 18:35:05   #
The business of taking and sharing pictures is best done digital for convenience, cost and speed. In fact, the market shows that phones have taken over much of this business. I used to think that 35mm film had the ability to outshine digital, and then I bought Nikon D810. It blows 35mm film away. I have nothing at all against people who still shoot on film. I gave my Nikon FA and a bunch of manual focus lenses to my son in law. He loves the camera. He loves darkroom work. It's a hobby, not a necessity. When I think of pulling out my Nikon Ftn, bought new by my father, I get sentimental and then say "Nah, forget it." Too much bother and money and time wasted. This is my opinion. My son in law doesn't share it. Obviously many people don't share it, and that's okay with me.
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Dec 16, 2016 20:09:41   #
whitewolfowner wrote:
You are smart to do that. He told me that the only way to get a new piece of gear was to buy from one of his recommended stores; all others and all retail stores sold seconds and refurbished gear as new. He was using that as an excuse for why I was having a problem with an item I bought (a D750 with the flaring problem). When I replied to him that I had bought it from B & H, he got all upset that I didn't inform him of that from the beginning. Truth is, what did that have to do with anything at all in the first place? NOTHING AT ALL. I've seen municipal waste treatment plants with less bull than he touts.
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I bought my D810, 70-200 f4 VR and a 50mm f1.4 AF-D from a local camera store in the past couple of years. I bought two lenses from B&H in the same time period. I don't have a problem either way. I'd like to give the local guy the majority of my business so maybe he's going to be around in the future. Things are getting tough for smaller camera stores these days. I have to wonder if K.R. is somehow getting kickbacks. I wouldn't think that B&H or Adorama would work that way, but what do I know?
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Dec 16, 2016 19:18:53   #
whitewolfowner wrote:
I have read several of Ken Rockwell's reviews and have had a personal experience with him. He is a nut to say it kindly and I wouldn't believe a word of what he writes.


I've exchanged a half dozen e-mails with him. I've pointed out to him that he leaves obsolete information all over his web site from experience he had with equipment 10-15 years ago. He once compared digital and large format photography many years ago using a 6 megapixel Nikon as the digital example. That article is still on his site. He told me he doesn't have time to clean it up. It's almost comical they way almost everything he likes becomes the camera or lens that he always carries around with him. He would need a truck. I don't think he's always wrong. It's just hard to tell the difference. One thing I do like about his site is that it introduced me to the existence of equipment/cameras/lenses that I didn't know anything about. But I never trust everything he says.
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Dec 16, 2016 05:33:10   #
whitewolfowner wrote:
I have used it mostly on a D80 which in itself is bad on focus in low light; however I have had no focus issues with my copy of the 70-210 f4.0 AF lens. I have shot many sporting events in terrible lighting conditions with this lens for years and never had a focus problem with the lens at all. With the camera, yes, but not the lens and I can say that because I have used other lenses in the same shooting situations and have noticed nothing different when using the 70-210. I have also used it in many well lit, day time sporting events and no issues at all with the lens or camera, with the D80 focusing perfectly OK in good light. I have not heard of this before and I have owned the lens since the late 80's, early 90's having bought it used at a trade show.
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You sometimes have to take Ken Rockwell with a grain of salt. Sometimes his reviews are right on. Sometimes the things he says border on psychotic, and I think he does that to get your attention. In any case, here is his review of your lens. http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/70210f4.htm

I don't have time for a complete internet search again on this lens, but I recall that others have had focusing issues. Perhaps there are too many variables including the camera to blame the lens for all of its perceived imperfections. One problem could be that people are buying this 30 year old lens second hand, and you never know how the lens was treated. Perhaps the lens you buy was found at the bottom of a ravine on Mt. Everest, and you can imagine how it got there. In any case, when you get a winner, you're happy, and that's all that counts.

I have found when buying used lenses like this on eBay, the lenses coming from Japan have been treated better than what you typically find in the used display of a local camera store.

If you want to know, I ended up buying the 70-200 f4 VR new, and it's a stellar performer. I can't deal with the weight of the f2.8 lenses attached to an already heavy camera. I did have to do a fine tune on the focus because of a front focus issue, so nothing is perfect.
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Dec 15, 2016 15:13:40   #
whitewolfowner wrote:
No, I am talking about the exact lens I mentioned; the 70-210 f4.0 AF lens released in 1986. It is a straight f4.0, not a variable lens. It is small and compact compared to the f2.8's. I still have it and even though I have the 80-200mm f2.8D EDIF AF-S lens, I will still keep it for it's compactness and smaller size when handy. Age has nothing to do with how good or sharp a lens is. Some of Nikon's sharpest lenses were made decades ago: the 105mm f2.5, released in 1959 or 1960, the 300mm f4.5 are perfect examples.
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I remember considering that lens right after buying my Nikon D810. I read a number of complaints about focus issues with the lens, and even Ken Rockwell complained about a focus issue. I have a Nikon 55mm f2.8 AF Micro I bought second hand that looks like a smaller version of your lens, and it seems to have some focus issues, but not all of the time. These are among the earliest Nikon AF lenses. I'm going to assume that you've not had any problem with yours.
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Dec 15, 2016 12:52:22   #
BebuLamar wrote:
The Canon A-1 has the 4 autoexposure modes including P mode in 1979.


I have to admit that I've never really followed Canon in the film days. I was happy with my Nikon cameras, including the FA that I mentioned. What you are saying is true. The Nikon FA that came along later was more sophisticated in many ways, but I'll admit it wasn't first with multiple shooting modes.
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Dec 14, 2016 23:06:17   #
whitewolfowner wrote:
If you want a f4.0 version, find used the 70-210 f4.0 lens. It is very light weight and is very sharp wide open at all ranges. It lacks a little bit of contrast of the ED lenses but is easily made up for in software. I used this lens myself for years and my son has used it to shoot Nascar. Many shots from this lens have been published in newspapers, magazines and on the internet along side pro lenses and no one would ever know. This lens has a cult following it is so good and can be had (if you can find one) for around $200 in excellent condition. It is one of Nikon's "sleeper" lenses and is not well known.
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Are you talking about the 80-200 AIs manual focus lens? I bought one of those from a source in Japan on eBay for around $125. It's as sharp as a tack. Quite amazing considering how long ago it was made. The lens I got showed absolutely no signs of wear, even the slightest bit of scuffing on the metal lens mount. My son in law who still shoots a lot of film is using it on the Nikon FA I also gave him. I think that the lack of autofocus would be a drawback for many. but otherwise it's an excellent lens.
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Dec 14, 2016 22:05:42   #
VR is not intended for shutter speeds of 1/500 or faster. In fact, there are a number of articles on the web explaining that using VR at high shutter speeds degrades sharpness. For example http://www.bythom.com/nikon-vr.htm VR is useful under challenging lighting conditions where you may not have access to a tripod. As others have mentioned, it doesn't sharpen moving subjects, only camera movement. If you're going to shoot sports at high shutter speeds, it has no value.
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Dec 14, 2016 03:50:31   #
streetmarty wrote:
Hi all, I am a street photographer and live by all the outdoor rules of photography, never had an issue. Now I’m a grand-father and find myself indoors taking natural light photos. I spent my whole life without a flash so that is a weakness. However my lens is fast and should have no problem in natural light. Yesterday I took some photos indoors, Fuji 35mm f2 @ aperture priority, iso 800, F2 and 2.8 and I was not happy with the sharpness. Others like them but we as photographers know. When I get into post and crop to 100% I want eyes to look perfect. Is that an unrealistic expectation; am I too hard on myself? I know the “sweet spot” on this lens is f4 after doing the newspaper on the wall with a tripod test. However if I use f4 I have to double my iso and enter noise. How important is the sweet spot to you, how often do you use it as a determining factor? Thank you.
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Shooting with a lens wide open is an art that has to be mastered. Most lenses are a bit soft wide open and at the next aperture, but what destroys the pictures is often the shallow depth of field. Up close, a face may not be entirely in focus (Eyes in focus, tip of the nose and ears out of focus.) Group shots of people may have some people in focus and others out of focus. I generally don't bother with it anymore. It was a necessity to deal with it in the film days, but now you can crank up the ISO and use a smaller aperture. Some of the better DSLRs can take pictures at ISO 3200-6400 with just a bit of noise that doesn't matter so long as you're not making huge enlargements.
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Dec 14, 2016 03:41:09   #
jim quist wrote:
In film days we only had manual, so that's what I learned on and use most of the time. Im just more comfortable with it.


Many film cameras had autoexposure options, even dating to the 1960s, but in 1983 with the Nikon FA, we had a film camera that could shoot in manual, aperture priority, shutter priority and program modes. It was also the first camera to use matrix metering. All of these features trickled down to later Nikon models, including the ones used today. I gave my FA to my son in law a couple of years ago, still in perfect working condition, and he loves it and uses it to shoot film regularly. It is manual focus, of course, not a drawback if you're shooting mostly static subjects. Film, of course, is manufactured at a set ISO (ASA as someone pointed out) but back in the day, you could process some films to give decent results at higher ISO.
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