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Jan 23, 2017 17:43:49   #
Keenan wrote:
A couple of observations:

1) This thread is about Trump and his people normalizing lying and calling it "alternative facts". It has nothing to do with Obama. By changing the subject to Obama, you are, yet again, pulling the ol' "Mommy, he did it first!" i***tic excuse.

2) You just made a series of baseless accusations that Obama fabricated unemployment numbers and other things without offering a shred of evidence. These are the most shrill accusations from the fringes of laughable right wingnut sources. You can't possibly expect people to take you seriously when you spout such ridiculous accusations with no evidence, can you?
A couple of observations: br br 1) This thread is... (show quote)

Okay, you asked for it. Here are some sources with evidence for the accusations of the Obama Administration faking data.

1. F**e unemployment reports to get him re-elected in 2013- http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-f**ed-2012-e******n-jobs-report/

2. B******i story. I don't feel compelled to offer any sources since this story has been debunked so thoroughly already.

3. Eric Holder and others lying to Congress - http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/15/definitive-proof-that-eric-holder-lied-t

4. Obama falsifying CIA reports on ISIS - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/intelligence-agents-obama-falsified-reports-regarding-jim-kouri

5. VA officials falsified data - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/04/07/va-wait-time-manipulation-veterans/82726634/

6. Obama falsely claimed Iran was in Nuclear compliance - I had a hard time locating quote, but found this to be even worse - http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/264044/obama-f**ed-iran-nuclear-compliance-secret-daniel-greenfield

7. "You can keep you Doctor." - No need to verify - Everybody knows about this.

As I said before, you live in a bubble and I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't even aware of half this stuff. For that, I would not impugn you. But I have a high level of confidence that once you are aware, you will pretend this stuff never happened.
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Jan 23, 2017 12:12:15   #
Keenan wrote:
LOL. You completely missed green's point. In this post-t***h era, there are no longer objective facts or t***h. Instead, there are liberal and conservative facts. To conservatives like you, anything from a liberal is f**e news by definition.

You also like to put words in my mouth. I simply asked for examples.

I plead guilty to putting words in your mouth. Do you think that there are any f**e news stories coming from liberal sources?
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Jan 23, 2017 11:23:19   #
green wrote:
we are in a post-t***h era. And isn't that the point of f**e stories? You can find proof of anything, but how do you know the proof itself isn't f**ed? You can look at multiple sources, but partisan stories spread like wildfire on the internet? Asking for proof from media anymore simply makes one appear outmoded, unrealistic or old-fashioned.

Your description sounds pretty accurate to me! Keenan seriously believes that there are absolutely no "f**e news" stories coming from liberal sources. Some people live in a bubble.
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Jan 23, 2017 11:18:18   #
richosob wrote:
You truly are a freakin i***t.

You said it! I usually don't respond to that guy, but once in awhile I just can't help myself.
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Jan 23, 2017 11:14:27   #
Frank T wrote:
I see you haven't read the newspaper recently. Obama is no longer the President.

Are you implying that we are no longer allowed to talk about Obama three days after he left office? If I recall, the Liberals on this site, including you, have been talking about George Bush for eight years.
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Jan 23, 2017 10:54:23   #
dirtpusher wrote:
Strongest economy since Clinton an that was damn good.

How about the lowest Labor Participation rate in 40 years, or the slowest Gross Domestic Product growth under any previous President.
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Jan 23, 2017 10:48:22   #
RRS wrote:
What's not funny is that President Trump does want to be everyone's President but Saturdays march every where were the signs "not my president". In every e******n you have those that win and those that afterwards feel lost. You may not understand the logic but this country is and has been so divided because of the core difference between the two party's. President Trump wasn't in office yet and there was talk of impeachment and hopes that the E*******l College could be persuaded to change their v**es, sure sounds like sore losers to me. The conservatives did not respond to the e******n or re-e******n of President Obama with civil disobedience as we have seen with this e******n. The picture is even bigger when you factor in the Liberal news media, they don't always report the news, lots of time they make their own. I can understand why Ms. Clinton was so upset at having lost the e******n, and she did, because all the pollsters had her at 270 before any state reported in and she believed it, so did I and so many others. As to your remark "much like passing the ACA bill", not one Republican v**ed for it and if Obama had been able to stay in office for four more years he could have watched it go up in smoke as it surely was going broke and now they the Democrats say that the Republican party owns it? Maybe we can all be better off with a new and more affordable health care system if the people would wait and see what the new President has to offer. If you remember and I'm sure you do, President Obama was reported to be a Constitutional Scholar and we all saw how well he didn't handle that, so I can see where many would be worried because President Trump is just a very successful businessman. This country has never been run like a business before and we are in uncharted waters, maybe we can all work for the same goal and hope we have smooth sailing.
What's not funny is that President Trump does want... (show quote)


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Jan 23, 2017 10:43:37   #
WNC Ralf wrote:
tRump was right about one thing, running as a rebulicant as the base is dumber than a bag full of hammers.

20% of Republicans did not v**e for Trump. The gap was filled in by millions of Democrats who switched over to v**e for him.
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Jan 23, 2017 10:37:40   #
BigWahoo wrote:
Here is an excerpt from 'Forbes' Magazine:

"When White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer listed his claims about the inauguration crowds and televised audience, he made one demonstrably false statement after another. And when White House counselor Kellyanne Conway called Spicer’s statements a presentation of “alternative facts,” she attempted to redefine the English language. While you can have alternative explanations or interpretations of facts, you cannot change the nature of reality.

However, the claims and language are chilling in a fundamental way. When an administration wants the rights to redefine facts, it isn’t unreasonable to consider whether it is willing to change data to support itself. Such an action would push the country closer to Orwell’s Ministry of T***h concept and undermine a vital resource for intelligent decisions and strategy.

People have already been worried. Scientists have been copying U.S. climate data for fear that the new administration might take it offline and make it unavailable.

It sounds like a laughable conspiracy theory that one could write off as the fevered complaints of a political faction that lost. But when the administration states that it can choose different sets of facts and quote more compliant numbers, it shows a frightening degree of disrespect for the very concept of facts."

Read full article here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/22/alternative-facts-may-be-the-end-of-trustworthy-government-decision-data/#31e81c0a7aae
Here is an excerpt from 'Forbes' Magazine: br br ... (show quote)

This story is almost laughable in light of Obama's record in the last eight years. Perhaps they are right about the White House Spokesman's false quotes about the crowd size, a subject of little importance. Here are some much more serious instances of Government "making up stories" on important issues during the last eight years:

1. Government falsified employment numbers in California in order for official unemployment record to be under 5% for Obama's re-e******n in 2012.

2. Obama himself made up story about B******i demonstrations for the same purpose as above.

2. Attorney General Eric Holder and several others, including Hillary, were caught lying to Congress on numerous occasions.

3. Obama falsified reports about ISIS coming from the CIA as evidenced by the open letter from 50 CIA analysts saying so.

4. Veterans Administration officials falsified reports on patients living and dead in order to inflate their perceived progress and collect big bonuses.

5. Obama claimed that "inspectors have determined Iran to be in full compliance with U.N. agreements on Nuclear Material," prompting a farsical back and forth with reporters by the White House Spokesman at a press conference.

6. If you like your Healthcare plan (or Doctor), you can keep it.

Not one person was disciplined or fired for the above fabrications, and these are just the first ones that come to mind. Obama himself just recently said that he was proud of the fact that he hasn't had a single scandal in the White House during his term!!??
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Jan 23, 2017 10:05:03   #
green wrote:
one thing I notice is that now the libs are making up stories and the cons are screaming F**E!!!


it's almost symmetrical, but the cons haven't let go of the bitterness of the past eight years. They still seem angry, perhaps because, much like passing the ACA bill... they had to elect Trump to see who he is.

...funny, I saw a we-won, you-lost comment today.... petty,no? If he is everyone's president, we've either ALL won or lost to the same degree. I just don't understand the logic here.
one thing I notice is that now the libs are making... (show quote)

Like the Chinese proverb, We are living in interesting times!
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Jan 20, 2017 14:37:04   #
travelwp wrote:
It will be OK. Take a handful of PlayDoh and go to a safe room. Maybe your mommy could get you a hot chocolate.

LOL
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Jan 20, 2017 13:40:50   #
green wrote:
you have some bad info, Steven... for instance, Bush's approval rating was phenomenal right after 9/11 and tank steadily through his presidency, there was no last minute disapproval.

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/cvfspjk4hesmzts2bc0brg.gif

..and bouncing his dad from office doesn't make sense...it was really the 1990-1991 mini-recession (remember: it's the economy, stupid!) although a lot of Republicans were pissed about the "no new taxes" thing.
you have some bad info, Steven... for instance, Bu... (show quote)

Perhaps you are right about George Bush's gradual decline in favorability ratings, but my point is still the same. He could not sink below 50% approval rating unless a portion of Republicans began disapproving of him along with the Democrats.
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Jan 20, 2017 03:22:19   #
green wrote:

I think your chart shows an interesting phenomenon. I've seen this on many surveys especially about crime and the economy. Because of the flood of negative news coverage we get, people will often answer questions about how everybody else is doing in the Country with "crime is rampant, the economy sucks," and so on. When questioned about their own lives, the respondent will answer "I'm doing just great!"
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Jan 20, 2017 03:13:23   #
usnpilot wrote:
My question is how can he have a high approval rating with perceived results like this? Media poles seem to pick and choose their samples to get the results they want.

I think I know the answer to this, something I have been noticing over the last two decades or so. Democrats are much more likely to give high marks to elected officials of their Party than are Republicans. I h**e to say it, but Democrats are far less likely to be informed about policy issues and to know what is going on in government than are Republicans. Therefore, they tend to give an automatic pass to elected Democrats, no matter what their performance in office. Republicans are much tougher on their own Party's elected officials.

Democrat Example: Ted Kennedy drives off bridge and k**ls woman. Runs away and hides for 18 hours before family members convince him to notify police. Gets re-elected to Senate for life.
Democrat Example: Mayor Marion Barry of Washington D.C. gets caught snorting cocaine with a hooker and gets re-elected to office by landslide.
Democrat Example: Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick of Detroit is convicted on felony corruption charges and sentenced to 28 years in the Pokey. Instead of being ostracised by the Detroit community, he is thrown a huge going away party by thousands of Detroiters and supporters. Even now there is a huge petition drive by supporters to get Obama to give him a pardon. Would probably have been re-elected if not residing in Federal Prison.

Republican Example: Richard Nixon covers up Watergate burglary and is pilloried by both Political Parties and forced to resign. Obama has 12 - 18 major scandals and not a hint of disapproval by Democrat Lawmakers.
Republican Example: George H. W. Bush says "Read my Lips, no new taxes," breaks this one promise, and is bounced from office.
Republican Example: George W. Bush, after near-record high approval ratings, in last year in office revs up Federal Debt, bails out Banks and GM. Republican disapproval contributes to giving him near-record low approval numbers.

There is an approval rating threshold of about 40% that a Democratic President cannot fall below because 80% of their Party just refuse to admit anything is wrong.
If you look at approval ratings for all P**********l Candidates going back to 1956, Hillary has the lowest favorability rating for Democrats, but it is still 51%!

Also, the Rush Limbaugh Theorem, "Obama is seen not as leading or governing the country, but as fighting against all the injustices of the establishment," plays a big part of it. Many Democrats may think that the Country is going all to Hell, but it has nothing to do with Obama. It is all seen as Bush's fault, even eight years later!
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Jan 19, 2017 19:45:01   #
PalePictures wrote:
How the hell can you have The Paris Accord for something that is unsettled.
Costing trillions over decades.
Solar/Wind cost 27 cents per Kilowatt.
Coal cost 4 cents per Kilowatt.
Welcome to the new morality of taxing and starving the poor over something that is unsettled.

I don't think that the Paris Accord is really going to cost anybody much money. This is because it was only an agreement in principle to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, with no actual directives on how to do so. That is why NASA's most famous G****l W*****g advocate, James Hansen, called the Paris Accord a big farce, with a lot of feel-good talk about C*****e C****e.

The same thing happened at the Kyoto Conference many years ago. There actually were directives given to the countries that signed on with Kyoto, but not a single country met it's greenhouse emissions goals. By contrast the United States, who did not sign on with Kyoto, actually reduced its greenhouse gasses by something like 15 %. The Kyoto signers did not have any reduction at all in their emissions.

If they were really serious about reducing greenhouse gasses, they would have Skyped or conference-called the Paris Accord instead of spewing tons of airplane fuel into our atmosphere.
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