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Sep 11, 2019 21:44:58   #
Saved it to my watch list. Thank you!
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Sep 4, 2019 17:37:30   #
Bobspez wrote:
I never use autofocus for macro. With the shallow depth of field I use the live view with the magnifier to fill the frame and move the camera to get the best overall sharpness. I have the Nikkor 55mm pre ais micro and the M2 extender to get a 1:1 macro view at 110mm. I think the manual 105 f2.8 would be a great way to start macro at a reasonable cost of $140 to $175.


Thanks 👍
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Sep 1, 2019 12:09:28   #
RWR wrote:
An IF lens focuses closer by reducing its focal length, thus reducing the working distance (lens-to-subject). While a non IF lens does physically extend when focused closer, its focal length does not change and the working distance can actually be greater than with an IF lens at the same magnification. I compared a 100mm IF macro lens with a 105mm non IF macro lens at 1:1. Both were focused at 1:2. With 50mm of extension on the former and 52.5 on the latter, working distance was about 25mm more with the 105.
An IF lens focuses closer by reducing its focal le... (show quote)


Just to be sure, what do you mean by "working distance"? Thanks.
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Sep 1, 2019 11:41:37   #
lamiaceae wrote:
The DCR-250 or DCR-150 sound like toys to me. Best to buy a macro lens or some sort. Extension tubes or Close-up filters are not too horrible.


Gracias senor Foxhound!
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Aug 31, 2019 18:57:32   #
amfoto1 wrote:
Those are usually junk and will make for pretty poor image quality.

A higher quality diopter will do a much better job, but are considerably more expensive and sold individually.

Examples of these are Canon's 250D and 500D (the 250D is the stronger of the two). These multi-element auxiliary lenses are sold in select diameters to fit the filter threads of different lenses. The 250D come in 52mm ($75) and 58mm ($90) sizes and are recommended for use on lenses 35mm to 135mm focal length. 500D come in 52mm ($75), 58mm ($90), 72mm ($125) and 77mm ($149) sizes and is recommended for use on lenses from 70mm to 300mm focal length. It may be possible to use a step ring to fit one to a lens with different filter thread than the sizes offered.

These are similar to, but larger diameters and higher quality than the Raynox DCR-250 and DCR-150.

A macro extension tube set is a lot more versatile... and has no optics to effect image quality.

A true macro lens is best of all.... with even higher image quality typically, as well as being faster and more convenient to use.
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Definitely getting some useful information to my query. Thanks.
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Aug 31, 2019 13:04:35   #
RWR wrote:
The manual says it will only meter with CPU lenses, and to autofocus you need a lens with a built-in motor.


Thank you. That helps!
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Aug 31, 2019 12:58:43   #
amfoto1 wrote:
The Raynox DCR-250 is not a lens, per se... it's an auxiliary lens or a conversion lens. It attaches to the front of another lens to increase that lens' magnification. Image quality greatly depends upon the lens the DCR-250 is used with. Any shortcomings of the lens will be magnified by the auxiliary. There will also be variation in how high magnification will be possible, depending upon the max possible mag of the lens the DCR-250 is paired up with. The auxiliary lens simply magnifies that by 2.5X (there's also a milder DCR-150 that gives 1.5X mag).

You'll also be somewhat limited to using the DCR-250 with lenses that have small diameter front element. The DCR-250 uses some sort of "snap on" mounting so it can be fitted to lenses with filter threads between 52mm and 67mm. However, the actual diameter of the DCR-250's optics is something less than 43mm (the thread size on the rear of it). As a result, there will be significant vignetting with many lenses. In other words, only part of the image area will be usable because the DCR-250's mounting frame is blocking the periphery. This essentially reduces the resolution of your images, since much of the camera's sensor is blocked. How much vignetting occurs will vary depending upon the lens the DCR-250 is used upon.

If you want to shoot close-ups on a tight budget, instead of either of the Raynox conversion lenses, I'd recommend "macro extension tubes". Those fit in between any of your current lenses and the camera body to make the lens focus closer. These are much more "universal", able to be used with a greater variety of lenses than an optical magnifying auxiliary lens. There are various tubes available.... I recommend the Kenko set of three that sells for about $130. Those are top quality and include 12mm, 20mm and 36mm tubes, which can be used individually or in combination with each other. There are also cheaper, more plasticky sets such as the Vello for $80, which includes three tubes in the same sizes as the Kenko.

All these tube sets have electronic connectivity, so that modern lenses used on them will be able to autofocus and so that the lens aperture can be set. There are even cheaper (often under $25) sets that DO NOT have that connectivity, so are next to impossible to use with modern lenses (they work fine with vintage, manual focus lenses that have a built in aperture control ring).

Image quality with a Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8 AI-S will likely be much better and a true macro lens is faster to work with than auxiliary lenses or extension tubes.

Are you looking at new or used? New the 105mm AI-S sells for $800 (or, gray market/no warranty: $730). Factory refurbished are available for $540. This is the manual focus only lens that's been in production for many years... at least since the 1990s and film cameras. It's fine, but it's also a 1:2 lens, which some people will argue means it's not "true macro". Some folks think a lens has to be able to produce full 1:1 or life size images to be considered macro and that half life size such as the AI-S lens produces falls a bit short. In truth, there is no clear definition of "macro" and a lot of "macro" shooting is half life size or less... call it "close-up" instead of macro, if you wish. Plus, extension tubes can be used with the 105mm AI-S to push magnification higher, if wanted.

HOWEVER, if you're looking at spending $800, for that kind of money you might as well get the modern AF-S VR Micro-NIKKOR 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED lens instead. It only costs $6 more than the manual focus AI-S lens! The AF-S 105mm is the modern version that will autofocus on your D5100 and it can natively render full 1:1 magnification. For use on a modern Nikon DSLR, it makes a lot more sense to buy the modern AF-S lens than the vintage AI-S lens! But if you are buying used and have found a good deal on an old 105mm AI-S, that can work well, with some limitations (manual focus only, 1:2 only). I found some used/refurbished AF-S 105mm for $600-650. You might do a little better with some careful searching and shopping, but it's a very popular lens and doesn't get heavily discounted.

There are some good, lower cost alternatives....

Someone suggested the Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm f/2.8 macro lens as an affordable alternative on sale for $349. It's certainly is a possibility, but you need to be aware it will be manual focus only on a D5100 (or any other D3000 or D5000-series Nikon). This isn't necessarily a deal killer, since a lot of macro shooting is more easily done with manual focus techniques anyway. It might be more of a consideration if you plan to use the lens for non-macro purposes. The reason it's manual focus only is that it's what's sometimes called a "D-type" lens in Nikon mount... the lens itself doesn't have a focusing motor. To autofocus, it relies upon a motor built into the camera body. But only Nikon D7000-series and higher models have that. Your D5100 doesn't. Nikon themselves still makes some lenses that don't have a built-in focusing motor (the Micro-Nikkor 200mm f/4 is an example).

You also might want to consider the Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG OS HSM macro, which is on sale currently for $469. This lens will both autofocus on your camera and it can do full 1:1 magnification. It also features faster "ultrasonic" type focusing motor (same as the AF-S 105mm) and it has OS image stabilization (similar to the VR on the Nikkor AF-S 105mm).

I'd also suggest the Tamron SP 90mm macro lenses. There are two models of those now being offered, both capable of full 1:1 and both able to autofocus on your camera. The cheaper ($449) one uses slower/noisier micro motor focus drive and doesn't have image stabilization (Tamron calls that "VC"). The more expensive one ($649) uses a faster ultrasonic focus motor and has VC.

The more expensive Tamron is also an "internal focusing" or "IF" lens. This means it doesn't increase in length as it's focused closer. Some macro lenses nearly double in length when focused to their maximum magnification, reducing the "working distance" between the front of the lens and your subject. The less expensive Tamron 90mm and the Tokina 100mm both are NOT IF lenses. Both the Sigma 105mm and the AF-S 105mm Nikkor ARE IF lenses.

There are some other macro lenses available, but the above are probably some of the most popular for use on Nikon cameras. A lens with 90mm, 100mm or 105mm focal length is a good choice, too, because it is a reasonable compromise for general purpose, hand held shooting out in the field.
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Thanks so much for the plethora of information. Nice to know about the IF vs non IF lenses. Looks like the Tamron might be the way to go for me. Might have to sell a kidney though.😂
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Aug 31, 2019 09:17:02   #
lamiaceae wrote:
A Ray- what? I think the Nikkor 105mm f/2.8 AI-S has been the choice of many. Does the AI-s AF on a D5xxx?


From all that I've heard the Nikkor will not AF on the 5100. What I'm more concerned about is that it also may not do exposure metering , but that I'm not sure of.
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Aug 30, 2019 20:03:28   #
mohandas wrote:
Dear friends ,
The three lenses mentioned above are best for macro photography.

If quality is your main consideration you have 3 choices in the following order .

1. Nikon 105 mm , 2 . Tamron 90 mm and 3 . Tokina 100 mm .

If budget is your main consideration , you can select from the same list in reverse order !

Happy Clicking ,

With warm regards ,
Mohandas Pazhambalakode , PIN CODE - 678 722 , Kerala state , INDIA .

E.mail : mohandaspzmpkd@rediffmail.com ,
imagemohandas@yahoo.co.in
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Thank you Mohandas. I am leaning more towards the Tamron at this point.
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Aug 30, 2019 19:54:19   #
Jerry G wrote:
I have a D3400 and a manual Ai macro lens. That combination works great in studio situations but is not the best in the field. Exposure is by an incident meter or the f16 rule followed by lots of chimping to check blinkies or histogram. Insects or very challenging as they are often active and focusing a manual lens without the viewfinder focus aids built into older SLRs is not done easily. If I was doing mostly studio work I would be happy with this setup but my interests are tending more toward nature and I am looking forward to getting an auto focus lens.
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Thanks for the feedback. Definitely worth considering as I'm not yet a seasoned photographer.😂
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Aug 30, 2019 19:49:31   #
jpgto wrote:
Using the Nikon D5100 and a Nikon/Nikkor 105mm lenses IMHO you have a great set up to do
macro/micro photography. I would recommend shoot, shoot, shoot and shoot some more and
practice, practice. Look at the Macro section of the forum for additional information to help you along.
Have fun, enjoy and congratulations.


Thanks for the advice, although someone mentioned earlier that the Nikkor 105 Ai-s might not meter on my d5100.
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Aug 30, 2019 19:42:48   #
lsupremo wrote:
If you want to go the inexpensive route, buy a set of macro filters to attach to the front of your lens. They work well and gets you started.


Will consider. Thanks.👍
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Aug 30, 2019 10:59:35   #
srt101fan wrote:
In making your decision, think about autofocus. Some say it's not important for macro. But, depending on the focal length, you might want to use the lens for other types of shooting. Someone mentioned the 100mm Tokina. I don't think that lens will autofocus on your camera.


Thanks for the heads up, but I'm trying to convince myself that I won't need af. I plan to use it for macro the majority of the time. The rest of my shots will employ the 35 prime on the Nikon or the Panasonic FZ-80.
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Aug 30, 2019 09:52:17   #
fetzler wrote:
There a few macro lenses that you can consider. The Tamron 90mm mention above is reported to be a good choice. The Nikon 85mm and Nikon 105mm are good choices. See Ken Rockwell's page on Nikon Lens compatibility. ( https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm ) The AiS lens you mention is manual only. I am not sure the in camera meter works with this lens. Modern versions of the 105mm are fine. BTW you can use the DCR-250 with a macro lens for higher magnifications. I recommend a step-down ring from the thread size to the DCR's 43mm read threads.
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Thanks. Greatly appreciated.
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Aug 30, 2019 09:39:43   #
Picture Taker wrote:
Look up Mike Moats. He is on line and great. He believes in not spending a lot of money to be good. He will show you the way with out draining your pockets.


Thanks. Definitely don't want to spend much $$$.
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