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May 13, 2022 22:23:14   #
Thomas902 wrote:
"...I didn’t pick the images. They were all chosen by the administration from among my portfolio..."
Were you hired for this job? If so did you negotiate a contract for the aforementioned?

Jklovell you are not the art director for the hospital...
The client and/or their art director's visual statement is the only one that matters.

Leave your ego at the door or find another vocation.
btw, typically there is a "signed contract" delineating deliverables for commissioned work.
The time to share your concerns is at that juncture not after it.
If they don't meet your expectations it's time to walk away.

Experience is a brutal albeit effective teacher.
Next time don't accept an assignment without a signed contract which clearly delineate deliverables.
That is SOP on the commercial side of the equation.
If you don't believe this, ask any experienced Wedding Photographer...

And if you where hoping to do this on "Spec" then it's your bad.

btw: “Spec” is short for “speculative,” and “spec work” is defined by the AIGA (which counts many photographers as members) as, “work done prior to engagement with a client in anticipation of being paid.”

Maybe don't go there Jklovell k?
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I understand completely. My problem is: they picked the image, not me. If you printed and framed an image someone asked for, would you like it? The ones who picked it actually live there. I don’t. I travel there to work. They pass the statue everyday. They knew what it was. It’s their fault. Not mine. I don’t have an ego to protect. This is all new to me. That’s why I posted my concern. It’s an issue, not the end of the world. As far as not having a contract: these are my co-workers. These are people I’d trust with my life, my child’s life. I want them to be happy with the images, of course. But I can’t help but hope they’ll develop a little more character and not fall for every whimper.
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May 13, 2022 22:13:12   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
I've shot a lot of cemeteries, including respectful images of monuments and gravestones on both sides of the war. That said, they have the ultimate right to decide what they display. Pursue the idea of alternative images to present as replacement to the one rejected.


I will. I have many more to choose from. Just don’t know how to pursue getting paid for it. Ultimately the job is a dream chance for me and the last thing I want to do is anger anyone, regardless of how wrong they are. I’d be very disappointed if they pulled the whole thing. I want to voice my thoughts about the man in the picture. I’ve researched him. Quite a guy.
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May 13, 2022 22:05:53   #
[quote=JD750]Your customer requests a different image and are you resisting? You put your own feelings about the image before the customer? What’s really going on here? Something more than an image it woukd seem.[/

No, they requested that image. They chose all of the images. I had no say so. And while editing it I kept thinking, is this really okay. Have those I was concerned about really matured that much. Do the administrators know something I don’t. So I looked up the soldier from whose likeness it was made. He served one year in the Confederate Army, got injured, became the sheriff, eventually postmaster, and served in the state legislature. Quite the man. Accomplished more than anyone who might ever complain. That now bothers me. We are all multifaceted. One year in the CSA Army and someone feels like they know better. Yes, that bothers me. No hidden agenda here, Bud
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May 13, 2022 22:03:47   #
JD750 wrote:
Your customer requests a different image and are you resisting? You put your own feelings about the image before the customer? What’s really going on here? Something more than an image it woukd seem.



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No, they requested that image. They chose all of the images. I had no say so. And while editing it I kept thinking, is this really okay. Have those I was concerned about really matured that much. Do the administrators know something I don’t. So I looked up the soldier from whose likeness it was made. He served one year in the Confederate Army, got injured, became the sheriff, eventually postmaster, and served in the state legislature. Quite the man. Accomplished more than anyone who might ever complain. That now bothers me. We are all multifaceted. One year in the CSA Army and someone feels like they know better. Yes, that bothers me. No hidden agenda here, Bud
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May 13, 2022 22:01:28   #
No, they requested that image. They chose all of the images. I had no say so. And while editing it I kept thinking, is this really okay. Have those I was concerned about really matured that much. Do the administrators know something I don’t. So I looked up the soldier from whose likeness it was made. He served one year in the Confederate Army, got injured, became the sheriff, eventually postmaster, and served in the state legislature. Quite the man. Accomplished more than anyone who might ever complain. That now bothers me. We are all multifaceted. One year in the CSA Army and someone feels like they know better. Yes, that bothers me. No hidden agenda here, Bud.
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May 13, 2022 20:05:17   #
I’m feeling a little deflated at the moment and would like some input. I’ve been lucky enough to be asked to produce 17 images, printed, matted, glazed and framed for my hospital. Among the first batch is a black and white image 24” x 36” of the local decommissioned courthouse. In front of the building is a statue of a Confederate Soldier. I was told a few hours after delivering them that they had to “put it away” due to the soldier. First of all, I didn’t pick the images. They were all chosen by the administration from among my portfolio. They are suggesting I replace the print with something else. I don’t want to. I like the image. It took a lot of work and it’s damn near perfect. I’m sorry that they won’t be displaying it, but, to remove it would harm the print, the backboard, and the matting. Sure, the frame would be fine, but it is a finished piece. A fine finished piece of art. What would you (anyone) do?
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Mar 14, 2022 10:08:57   #
I’m going to look at a used Canon Pro – 4100 today. The guy says that it is in like new condition. This thing prints up to 44 inches wide using cut paper and roll paper. I suspect it is probably two years old. He primarily used it for printing on vinyl for displays on vehicles. And he stated that he is now using a larger printer for larger prints. I’m sure it is no longer under warranty. Could anyone give me an idea about what sort of problems to look for today when I inspect it. And, how much do you think it is worth? Thank you and I will appreciate anyone’s reply.
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Feb 27, 2022 15:55:46   #
newsguygeorge wrote:
While this invitation is flattering and, no doubt, deserved, it's also a big "ask." Don't forget the Human Resources Department's first loyalty is to management, not the employee. So while getting policy guidance, which I hope would be in writing as part of a handbook, policy manual or other doument, I wouldn't rely on that totally for your decision. I hate to burden you with this, but consulting an employment attorney would make a lot of sense. You'll need your own loyal guidance to deal with such issues as:

Once these go on display, are they yours? If the hospital either pays you for them or reimburses you, to whom do they belong then?

Can you price them for sale and if someone wants to buy one of your prints, how do you handle that?

What if the hospital keeps asking you to provide more and more prints on a regular basis?

Will the hospital be responsible for damage or theft while they are on dispaly?

I am sure there are other questions, but those came to mind quickly. A lawyer could probably think of more.

It's a wonderful honor. But hospital administrators can't be trusted. I should know. I was one before I became a journalist.
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Gosh, it sounds like I better do some research on some sort of contractual agreement. I knew it would probably be necessary. I’m been sort of relying on what little I know about copyrights. Thinking all the while that I’d always hold the key to sell more of the same and they only having the rights to the one printed image. ( that is if they actually pay me for them ) I just think it’s strange that they haven’t mentioned anything about money.
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Feb 27, 2022 15:20:51   #
knutte wrote:
Charge them well! Hospitals are making so much money these days. My "non-profit" hospital had board of directors approve a $12 million bonus for our CEO while he's still making $2 mil a year. All while the rest of us clinical people taking care of patients can barely afford to live. We can't hire any people because the pay is so poor compared to how expensive it is to live here in my town.


Ours is also a non-profit. And they just bought up at least 4 smaller hospitals in my state. I feel like if I play my cards right, I could possibly move in to some of those as well. I’m not a business person but for once I can smell opportunity and I can bring something to the table.
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Feb 27, 2022 15:12:13   #
Burkley wrote:
Don’t hesitate to use a professional printing company. I’ve used Bay Photo and placed the photos on both metal and paper. Both were great and much cheaper than getting a large format printer.



Thanks for the advice. I like the metal prints. I wonder how durable they are. How easily they scratch.
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Feb 27, 2022 15:07:28   #
Thanks, I do my printing and framing as well. At least up to 13 X ? with the Canon Pro-300. But, it appears I’ll need much larger prints, better frames and better glass than Hobby Lobby or Michaels can provide. I’m thinking about getting the Pro-4000/4100 to get past 13 inch wide prints. I wish I had time to make the frames myself. I think I’ll browse around the net and see if I can figure out what kind of budgets hospitals have for this kind of thing. I’m going to have a lot invested.
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Feb 27, 2022 15:04:12   #
Thanks, I do my printing and framing as well. At least up to 13 X ? with the Canon Pro-300. But, it appears I’ll need much larger prints, better frames and better glass than Hobby Lobby or Michaels can provide. I’m thinking about getting the Pro-4000/4100 to get past 13 inch wide prints. I wish I had time to make the frames myself. I think I’ll browse around the net and see if I can figure out what kind of budgets hospitals have for this kind of thing. I’m going to have a lot invested.
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Feb 27, 2022 14:22:50   #
I know what you mean. I AM very delighted. I wouldn’t take a dime if it would make them any less likely to use any more of my images.
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Feb 27, 2022 14:11:59   #
I’m a nurse and a part time landscape photographer. Recently, as I was reorganizing my locker, my director noticed some of my printed images that had fallen to the floor as I was cleaning. She asked to see them and subsequently showed them to upper management. They, in turn, asked if I could provide them with a few large prints for the admin. lounge. I did. Fortunately, they turned out to be quite nice looking. Then they asked for a portfolio of my best images, which I provided. I edited them in LR and PS and printed all of them at 8.5 X 11in on my Canon Pro-300. I now have to meet with them on March 1, 2022, this coming Tuesday for a walk through the commons areas of the hospital. I’m kind of excited about the whole thing; not for financial gain, but for the exposure. My wife, on the other hand, feels like I need to get paid. Of course I agree that with all the effort and expenditures, I need some sort of compensation. I’m just not sure how to approach them with regard to money. I’ve considered buying the Canon Pro- 4000 to be able to do all of the printing myself. How should I approach them regarding money. I’d like to be able to reimburse myself for the printer.
Thanks,
J
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Dec 16, 2021 15:12:45   #
Anything to drown out anything that idiot has to say is a plus and we all know it.
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