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Jul 24, 2022 09:33:35   #
LeeinNC wrote:
Yesterday, I had this topic happen to me. I received my dream lap delivered. HP Pavilion 15.6", 2TB storage, 32 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 7,touchscreen, backlit keyboard. I was finally able to utilize the latest versions of PS and LRC. It was screaming fast. I transferred over 43k photos from 2 external SSDs to my computer in less than 2 hours. All was right with the world! HP suggested I update my BIOS. I figured with everything else being updated (Win 11 Pro, Creative Cloud etc.), why not? 10 minutes later, my laptop was a paper weight. Not only that, I had formatted the 2 ext SSDs to backup the laptop. Luckily, I discovered a third ext SSD with the majority of my photos on it. Saved by the 3rd backup!!!
Yesterday, I had this topic happen to me. I receiv... (show quote)

Just because your new laptop cannot boot up, does not mean the data on it is lost. Pull the SSDs and read it using another computer. You should find your lost data. Of course, you may have some decryption hurdles you need to solve to read that SSS
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Jul 18, 2022 06:01:50   #
larryepage wrote:
Hi Urnst. I've been watching this discussion. A lot of what has been said is mostly true, but a couple of errors persist, and the discussion does not explain the reality of what is going on, nor does it explain how to understand why it matters.

It is important to understand that diffraction is a phenomenon caused by edges in an optical system. All lenses have edges bounding the images. Most of the time, this edge is the edge of the iris blades. The only exception usually occurs when the aperture is fully open.

So we have these diffraction effects, which are confined to the area near the "edge" that creates them. At wide apertures, a very high percentage of the image is formed by light that has not passed through the diffraction zone. As the lens is stopped down, the proportion of light that passed through the distortion zone grows. At tiny apertures, the proportion of light which has been affected is highest.

Is this proportion enough to make a visible difference? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how small that aperture is. Depends on whether the lens is intrinsically good enough for the effect to make anoticeable difference. Depends on whether the skill and technique of the photographer is good enough not to introduce even bigger problems. Depends on whether the lens elements are clean enough that they are not introducing even bigger problems. May depend on a lot of other things, as well.

In my experience, more often than not, diffraction is just a topic that lets people have a discussion involving lots of big words. Sometimes it matters. Sometimes it's just a waste of time and energy. You have to figure out which. It's probably never worth getting your blood pressure elevated.
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Good summary
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Jul 15, 2022 21:07:04   #
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, we still DISAGREE your mind seems very constricted on this.....


If you think I am wrong, it is useful if you tell me specifically which sentence I typed is incorrect. It is not useful to insult me. Since all you did is insult me, it seems to indicate that you have no idea why you think I am wrong. I am perfectly fine with discussing a question on facts, and perhaps I will be wrong & I will learn something but it is a waste of my time to trade insults. Your response will tell me which you enjoy more.
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Jul 15, 2022 20:44:38   #
TriX wrote:
Please see my earlier comment. Of course we all agree how diffraction is created, but the actual mechanism which causes diffraction effects in photography is multiple pixels being covered by the Airy disc, and the smaller the pixels, the more likely that multiple pixels will be covered. For equivalent resolution, smaller sensors have smaller pixels, hence more pixels covered by the same size Airy disc and greater diffraction effects. The article I referenced from Cambridge in Color explains it in simple terms and includes a calculator that demonstrates what I said above. Please read that article and tell me why you disagree.
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Sorry, but respectfully, you are incorrect. Several things you mentioned are inconsistent. You say "For equivalent resolution, smaller sensors have smaller pixels". But resolution is reflected by the number of pixels per area. So smaller sensors, of the same resolution, will by definition have exactly the same number of pixels as a larger sensor. I did read the link you suggested. A very good article. But it id mostly discussing resolution issues that we are no. Here is a quote from that link. "Diffraction thus sets a fundamental resolution limit that is independent of the number of megapixels, or the size of the film format. It depends only on the f-number of your lens, and on the wavelength of light being imaged". Of course if you have a higher resolution sensor (higher pixel density) it will be more sensitive to a smaller diffraction than a lower resolution sensor (lower density). But this has nothing to do with the amount of diffraction that is caused by the aperture opening. (see the quote from your link). Yes, there are issues with smaller pixels, but that is not what the question or discussion was about. Another example would be to take a FF camera that also has a setting to use it as a crop sensor camera. If you compare two photos. One shot FF & one shot crop. They will have IDENTICAL diffraction regardless of what lens opening you choose. I think we are discussing two different issues. I do appreciate your comments. Thanks
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Jul 15, 2022 18:19:09   #
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, I AGREE for your case but, The KEY for you to think about is practical in the field use "for equivalent FOV ! ! It MUST be qualified as to what exactly we are talking about - which is what confuses people ! !
That is why I say size of sensor size does NOT directly affect diffraction ! - but it DOES indirectly - for FOV !
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I still disagree. FOV has nothing to do with diffraction due to the lens opening. That is what the discussion is. It is not "apparent" distortion due to all sorts of things or different FOV. And also, the depth of field also has nothing to do with the size of the sensor. So bringing in FOV really is not relevant. Sorry, I am not giving you a hard time, but there is just lots of misunderstanding about the meaning of FOV & depth of field. All of these 'things' have very specific math equations (& not very complicated ones) and NONE of them have anything to do with what happens later when the electromagnetic wave hits a sensor at a later time.
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Jul 15, 2022 18:04:37   #
PierreD wrote:
No criticism, just trying to understand the basis for your statement that (everything else being presumably the same), the diffraction effect would necessarily be worse for M4/3 than FF. Thanks.


With all due respect,diffraction is not worse for M4/3 than a FF. I think everyone is misunderstanding what diffraction is. Diffraction is caused by light going through an opening. It changes depending upon the wavelength. With diffraction due to passing through a circular aperture, there is more diffraction as the circle gets smaller. Smaller corresponds to a larger F stop. Think about it? if diffraction is ONLY caused by the smaller opening, how can it increase because somehow the light wave "knows" at a later point in time, it will hit a smaller or larger sensor. Answer . . . It Cannot. Therefore, the size of the sensor has NO bearing on the diffraction caused by the aperture opening.... hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/phyopt/cirapp2.html
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Jul 15, 2022 12:35:55   #
imagemeister wrote:
Yes it does - not directly but indirectly because of the smaller lenses and therefore smaller absolute f-stop sizes used for equivalent FOV.
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I disagree. Diffraction is only caused by the size of the aperture (lens opening). Think of it this way. A crop sensor can be thought of as just a portion of a larger sensor (ie Full Frame). if you look at the portion of the FF sensor that is in the area of the FF that is the crop sensor area, the diffraction has to be identical because you are looking at the same exact area. The diffraction is (by definition) caused by the bending of light thru an aperture. At the time of the bending, it has no idea what size sensor it is going to hit.

Yes, on the outer edges of a FF sensor (past where the crop sensor area does not exist), depending upon the lens, you may see different distortions. But this is not an equivalent comparison. check out these links for some of the math, http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/phyopt/cirapp2.html http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/phyopt/Raylei.html#c1 No mention of the target area (sensor area) because it does not matter.
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Jul 15, 2022 09:24:27   #
TriX wrote:
Cambridge in Color has a tool to allow you to view an image with different apertures: https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm

Or better yet, use a good photo resolution target and take images from f8 to f22 and compare. It’s easier with a target than a complex scene. I’ve done it and can see the difference, so I try to stay at f11 or larger on ff and f8 on crop, but if a larger DOF is essential to your image and no other way to get it (such as focus stacking), then you just have to live with it.
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The size of the sensor does not change the amount of diffraction. I.E. FF or crop.
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Jun 20, 2022 10:01:23   #
Thomas902 wrote:
Lots of opinions very little to corroborate them...
While I have reservations that that there are enough technical savvy photographers on UHH to actually appreciate what Thom brings to the table on his extensive analysis which he has continuously update over the past decade.

Thom was a senior editor for a very widely read and revered Photo Magazing for many years.
To this end I would suggest you bookmark his dissertation since it is extensive and actually enumerates which of Nikon's VR iterations function on a myriad of their Nikkors.

What Thom shares here is that there are not any "rules" or "best practices" for VR but rather a kaleidoscope of parameters to keep in mind each of which may only be germane to a small subset of VR optics. Nikon continously advances the technology as it moves forward. This has resulted in newer Nikkors rising the performance bar...

The most scary takeaway? Since i'm certain few will actually study Thom's analysis.
If you disconnect a VR optic while the VR system is still spining down you have placed you lens in serious harms way... i.e. yes you can trash a VR lens by removing it too quickly from your camera...

From experience I've noticed some high end Sigma's optics are slow to "park" there floating elements. Sigma actually cautions that it's OS takes a second or so to spin down... And since Sigma was sued by Nikon for copyright infringement on it's VR I'm a believer here. I've always allowed my 50-150mm f/2.8 HMS OS IF Sigma to spin down prior to removing it... enough said

Here's Thom's wisdom on VR (which I've study many times over the years (he updates it constantly))
https://www.dslrbodies.com/lenses/lens-articles/lens-technique/all-about-nikon-vr.html
Your welcome...
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Thanks for the link. I agree. I have read Thom's posts for a long time & have purchased several of his documents. He is extremely knowledgeable
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Jun 18, 2022 08:51:46   #
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May 28, 2022 11:41:09   #
Jack 13088 wrote:
This morning brought an amusing set of posts pertaining to what is on my list to work through. I just replaced a 10 year old PC that couldn’t be dragged any further into the current world. I always kept the OS updated, replaced all of the storage with larger SATA SSD drives and had 16GB memory from the get go. BUT the USB 3.0 hardware failed, the GPU never was compatible with where Adobe and others are and the mother board couldn’t accommodate one that was capable. So I had Puget Systems build one to my specifications which will likely out live me. And I sprung for the Topaz AI triad.

After a couple of rough months in my real world in am in the process of carefully moving to the new machine this time with tedious discipline. Almost done and starting to look at integrating the Topaz suite with the Adobe centric workflow.

The basic fact is a raw file is raw. Only a camera can create a raw file. Once a raw file is “cooked” it cannot be saved as a raw file. You can’t uncook an egg. Your best bet in to create a 16 bit TIFF file. You can’t recover the recorded data lost in adjusting the white balance, color space, sharpening, and noise reduction to name a few. That is why you tell LrC to the file type and color space to create and send to Ps when you “edit in Photoshop” and subsequently Ps returns either a TIFF or PSD… to your LrC folders and catalog. (I omit editing edit as a smart object because I have never tried that.) So what workflow do you follow? Presumably Topaz AI apps do a better job if fed a raw file but then must cook their processing into a limited editable file. Is DNG really a solution to this conundrum? Help! 80 year old brain is smoking!
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Jack ???? your response has little or nothing to do with my question. I think you probably posted a response to a different question
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May 28, 2022 11:39:06   #
R.G. wrote:
I think you'll find that the large file is created after you call the external editor (Topaz) but before you start working in Topaz. In other words it's Lightroom that's creating the large file and it's doing that as soon as you call the external editor. Presumably the reason it doesn't do that with Ps is that they have another protocol because they are both Adobe products. You'll probably find that Lr produces the intermediate file when it calls any other external editor other than an Adobe product.

It's a simple procedure to get rid of the intermediate file. Just make sure you're not selecting the original file for deletion. The original file and its Lr adjustments (if any) will still be there in Lr. Checking the film strip along the bottom is the simplest way to keep an eye on what's happening. That's the first place you'll see the intermediate file when it's created. As far as I know, the intermediate file will always be a TIFF.
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Yes, thanks, I tested it with another editor & you seem to be correct. I never noticed that before. It is not just a Topaz "issue" but it does seem to happen for other editors, so I agree with you that PS is probably the exception and not the "rule". Too bad. I am well aware of how to properly delete images from within LR, but I find it a PIA when I didn't really do any editing.
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May 27, 2022 18:03:32   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Consider the workflow ideas from this Topaz training video at: https://youtu.be/AzJavAm-Bbw


do they give me a way so I do not have to delete a TIF file every time?
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May 27, 2022 16:53:42   #
I recently bought some Topaz software (Sharpen,Gig,and DeNoise). I am using them as plug-ins from Lightroom.
I am trying to understand the workflow. They seem to have a major difference to when I use Lightroom and then Edit in Photoshop. For Example:
If (From LR) I highlight an image and select " Edit in Photoshop", the image is automatically opened in PS. If I edit the photo & try some edits etc.,and then decide I do not want to use anything I did and then exit without saving. Photoshop does NOT save anything. No new PSD is left over from my edits.

If I do a similar sequence and select (From LR) "Edit in Topaz ...", try some of the topaz adjustments/edits there seems to be NO way to exit Topaz without Topaz already having created a rather large (100MB +) file.
This happens even if I select "cancel" and then "close without saving".
I always need to manually go to Lightroom and delete the newly created Tiff. Not hard to do, but if I am not careful, I can end up with many large extra Tiff files that I really do not want, and I feel kind of an annoying extra step.

My question is: is there anyway around this? Thanks
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May 3, 2022 22:53:50   #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
No


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