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Jan 27, 2022 07:50:06   #
tcthome wrote:
Why is backblaze pointless? It should be done from the computer (IMHO). Your NAS system is another copy (or copies) of your info from your computer. Key words neing copies of your files from your computer!


BackBlaze is pointless for two reasons:

1) my data from the drive wasn’t saved
2) I have all my data stored on external drives. If they are unmounted, BB can’t find them.

Plus, if I set up a NAS system, I’ll have my own personal cloud. I would keep BB if it had kept my data safe, but it didn’t!

Thanks for your input.
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Jan 27, 2022 07:45:29   #
Manglesphoto wrote:
I don't use Nas or raid mainly because I don't understand them. However I use Drobo Raid+ with four drives, I save to three drives manually and the fourth is For my Time machine Back up.
I Do dismount my drives when not in use, be this good or bad I has worked for me for a good number of years with one drive failure which I replaced and copied all files from drive #2 .


From my research, it seems NAS is preferred over DROBO, albeit more complex. It seems to be working for you though and that’s good. I, too, will be dismounting my drives when not in use going forward. My computer guy compared it to letting your car run when you aren’t driving it.

Thanks for your input!
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Jan 26, 2022 15:43:53   #
I had RAID 1 set up on 2 drives in an enclosure, connected to my computer. Unfortunately, BOTH drives failed at the same time, causing a near total loss of my data (some of the data was backed up on other external drives and/or CDs/DVDs). I also have BackBlaze but these files were not there either. I'm using a MAC Big Sur 11.6.2.

I took the drives to a computer guy to possibly retrieve the data and had quite a lengthily discussion on the NAS backup SYSTEM. This is your own personal "cloud" because it is connected via the internet and WiFi and not attached to the computer. He also said that I should unmount the drives when I am not using them and to shut down the computer. This is not a practice that I have been following.

I have done extensive research on setting up NAS, including searching this site. I am considering either Synology DiskStation or WD MyCloud EX. I would like at least 4 bays. Currently I have 2 WD Red Plus drives that are 2TB each. Currently, they are independent and in an enclosure that is connected to the computer. I was debating about leaving them that way and purchasing a third drive to store a backup copy of my data to keep off site. If I go with a NAS system, another backup is still recommended. I have thousands of pictures dating back to 1900 (scanned or other).

4 questions:

1) Do you only mount your drives when you are using them? If so, then BackBlaze is pointless.
2) Is a NAS system the best option or should I just keep 3 separate drives?
3) Recommendations for a NAS system (either what I am considering or something different).
3) My computer guy recommended Raid 5 but that does not mirror my data. Instead, should I use Raid 10?
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Jan 26, 2022 14:53:23   #
I took my drives to a computer guy and I do not know if he'll be able to retrieve my data. Now I'm considering a NAS setup going forward (one that doesn't connect to the computer but rather is my own private "cloud").
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Jan 23, 2022 12:11:00   #
TriX wrote:
It seems that storage and storage failures are a weekly conversation on UHH, so let me please add the following:

1) RAID systems allow the use of multiple drives to increase capacity, speed or reliability over a single drive depending on the configuration, BUT as has just been seen: (a) dual drive failures and corruption from various causes do happen and can kill all the data in a RAID array. A detailed discussion of the types of RAID configurations is a subject for a different conversation.
2) because of the above, a local backup and a backup/restore strategy that has been TESTED is a must.
3) there is a difference between a backup and an archive, but CDs, DVDs and thumb drives are not ideal media for either.
4) the third piece of your data protection is a off-site copy for disaster recovery (DR) and is critical to protect against all manner of disasters that kill both your primary copy and local backup. If you have decent internet access, a MAJOR cloud provider is the most robust system available. Lacking that, regularly exchanged off-site disks are second best.
5) finally, a NAS (network attached storage) is a storage device (often a RAID) that’s attached to the network, usually via ethernet. It may be accessed using CIFS, NFS or HTTP (for web access). Unlike server attached storage, the file system resides on the NAS. It is speed limited by the network,but may be accessed remotely IF you implement good security protocols.
6) whatever type of storage you choose, local or remote, you should incorporate versioning so you can revert your data to a previous point in time before a corruption or data loss occurred.

Hope this helps
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Thank you for this detailed advice. I will definitely be changing and testing my backup system
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Jan 23, 2022 12:04:21   #
wrangler5 wrote:
I've always been intrigued by the idea of the hot-swappable raid array, but have been put off by the high price of entry, as well as the idea that I would have all my eggs in one basket.

And at this point in this thread I'm feeling a bit smug about just using Carbon Copy Cloner (on a Mac Mini computer) to copy my external Photos drive to two separate external backup drives every morning about 3AM.


I do have another Raid 1 in a hot swappable setup but the difference is that I have a third drive that I swap out monthly and keep in the safe AND I make another copy to another drive, so I actually have four copies of my pictures from 2015 to current.

The drives that failed had my older pictures, scanned pictures and documents on it. I do have other copies of the pictures and the most important documents are either in Dropbox, Google Docs or Sheets or Apple cloud.

Carbon Copy Cloner might make my life easier. One of those copies needs to be offsite.

I want to avoid a repeat failure and I really was hoping for a way to retrieve everything from the unreadable drive. I’ll have to leave that to the professionals.
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Jan 22, 2022 17:24:53   #
johngault007 wrote:
Yeah my apologies, I assumed you were using Windows. Unfortunately this article only covers Linux and Windows. I'm sure there is documentation out there for MacOS as well. Good luck!


No worries. I should have mentioned I was a MAC user in the initial post. Thanks!
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Jan 22, 2022 17:17:36   #
tcthome wrote:
After reading this thread, If the pictures are worth anything to you, Take the drives to a specialist that repair builds computers & troubleshoots software/hardware. If they don't have a specialist there, they are certain to work with one. Good luck.
PS: You might want them to set up your raid or tell you the best way to back up your files. I received an email this week with WD Passport 5gb ext drives for $120. You might be better off doing 2 separate back-ups plus BB from your computer & not the drives. If it possible a power spike or surge caused your problem, surge protection & a UPS/UBS (Uniterupted Power/Battery Supply might be needed & should be a standard in this day & age.
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Yes, I do plan on taking the old drives to a specialist. I think I have copies of the pictures on an older external drive that is off site. I also have the best pictures and old scanned pictures on a CD. However, I don’t have my documents anywhere else. I’ll have to change that practice!

It’s very possible that a power outage caused the problem while I was away. I’m not sure about a surge/spike. I’m pretty sure that both the computer and the drive enclosure are plugged into the surge protector/batter backup. I’ll be double checking that later today.

What do you mean when you say to use my computer and not my drives for the BB backup? Currently, BB backs up both. Also, Time Machine backs up just the computer on another external drive.

I think I will keep the two new drives separate to avoid loosing both drives simultaneously again.

Thanks for all your advice.
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Jan 21, 2022 15:15:42   #
I GIVE UP. Nothing I tried works; so I am just going to use the new drives as independent drives and copy the data manually to the 2nd drive!! I've set up BackBlaze to back up drive one in this set. Thanks to everyone who responded.
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Jan 21, 2022 15:13:45   #
johngault007 wrote:
OH this is not an easy solution unless you understand the technology for sure. But basically the steps involved would assume you have a spare drive (same capacity) as the failed drive, and you immediately catch the failure and take the steps to re-initiate the "mirroring" from the assumed good spare drive to the new replacement.


I found this link, which does not relate to your specific RAID management software, but I hope it helps, or at least provides and understanding of why you can't simply just access that data on the mirrored drive.
You might want to skip down to the Windows section (if that's what you are using).

https://recoverhdd.com/blog/how-to-recover-the-data-from-raid-1-array.html
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I read this article and while it explained everything quite well, my MAC computer cannot download the repair software. Thanks for trying to help me!
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Jan 21, 2022 14:44:39   #
Just Shoot Me wrote:
If 1 raid drive fails in a raid 1 configuration the other drive still retains the data. But if you have a power outage both drives can become corrupted and unreadable. The data is most likely still there. Your computer just can’t recognize the drive. You can buy recovery software online for as little as $60.00 that is good for a year of use. Raid 1 is not a backup strategy unless you have 2 or more of them. You would be better off having 2 or more Independant drives so when 1 fails you have the others as backup.
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I did try a recovery software and the files recovered were basically trash. Now the old drive won't even mount.
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Jan 21, 2022 14:35:02   #
chikid68 wrote:
What it sounds like to me is that one of the two disks in the original array has failed totally.
However the remaining drive is still considered part of a two disk array as far as the operating system is concerned.
Since you have already gotten replacement drives for the array set it up for raid 1 and immediately replace one of the new ones with one of your original ones.
If it doesn't start to rebuild the array then swap the old drives out so it can try to rebuild using that one.
It's highly unlikely that both drives have failed catastrophically at the same time unless you had a major power surge.
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I tried this. The first drive I inserted created the message, "The disk you attached was not readable by this computer". The second drive caused no message to appear on the computer and on Disk Utility, it says "missing/damaged" for the old drive. If I click on repair, both drives are grayed out on the popup list. Also, in Disk Utility, it says "unmounted". When I select the old drive and choose mount, I get this message:"Invalid disk"
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Jan 21, 2022 13:36:11   #
Just Shoot Me wrote:
If 1 raid drive fails in a raid 1 configuration the other drive still retains the data. But if you have a power outage both drives can become corrupted and unreadable. The data is most likely still there. Your computer just can’t recognize the drive. You can buy recovery software online for as little as $60.00 that is good for a year of use. Raid 1 is not a backup strategy unless you have 2 or more of them. You would be better off having 2 or more Independant drives so when 1 fails you have the others as backup.
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Currently, it is setup as 2 independent drives. What software would you recommend to recover the data on the unreadable drive? I am using BigSur on a MAC
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Jan 21, 2022 12:46:39   #
I had 2 disks set up as Raid 1 so as to have a copy if one disk fails. They are stored in a G-Technology box.However, the drives disappeared in Finder, so I turned off the G-Technology box that stored them and turned the power back on. I got this message: "The connected drive is not readable". I know when Raid 1 is set up, the computer sees it as one drive and copies from drive 1 to drive 2 in the background. I got the same message whether one drive or both drives were in the enclosure. I called G-Technology and was told that both drives were probably encrypted. I thought the purpose of Raid 1 was to have data on a 2nd disk if the first drive failed. In my case, BOTH drives are unreadable.

I thought perhaps the encasement was at fault but that is not the case. I ordered 2 more drives and set them up through disk utility. Now I have 2 questions.

1) Finder shows 2 drives. How should I set this up? My choices are: leave them alone or set up as Raid 1 (again) or Raid 0.

2) How can I retrieve the date on the unreadable drives (OR is it lost forever?)

I have researched like crazy and could not find an answer.

In addition, I use BackBlaze but the data from the G-Tech drives is missing from there, too. I know that I had BB set up to backup that drive. I think perhaps I'm wasting my money on BackBlaze if I cannot restore the data on a failed drive.

Any advice is appreciated. Thank you.
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Sep 11, 2021 11:51:24   #
bsprague wrote:
The G6020 is a four tank, utility printer. The questions here are about the G620 that is advertised as photo printer with 6 tanks. For reference, the long popular Canon Pro-100 has 8 colors in cartridges.

Is six colors enough for great photos?


I actually have a dedicated photo printer, the Canon Pro 10. This printer is for my daughter-in-law. She just wants an all around that will do a decent job on 4x6 pictures. I am on a waiting list for the Canon G620. She decided to spend $300 instead of $600 for the Epson.

Thanks for your input. You steered me to this printer.
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