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Jun 6, 2018 09:20:09   #
dsmeltz wrote:
The challenge was irrelevant to the issue at hand and was simply additional trolling as practiced by the two of you. The request was an absurdity and should not be honored.



Wait, are you saying that asking you for photos when you didn't make a claim that would require them is "trolling"? Are you sure you want to stand by that?
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Jun 6, 2018 08:40:39   #
dsmeltz wrote:
Because photos are not relevant to this discussion. They would prove nothing.


He made the claim that talent is innate and asked for photos as proof. You then followed with a "claim" that it is not but provided no photos to refute his claim. That is just lazy.


dsmeltz wrote:
Because you have not put in the level of of practice of Federer only the quantity.


What "level" would that be? Roger Federer grew up hitting balls against a wall just like I did. Monica Seles hit balls over a rope that her dad had tied between two car bumpers. Somehow that high level of practice made her #1 in the world. So you're rebuttal is invalid.


dsmeltz wrote:
Please post photos here that prove talent is not learned since you seem to believe that the proof should be in the photos! I do not hold that position nor believe it so there is no need for me to post photos. However, you seem to hold these things can be proven by photos so put up or shut up.


You were initially challenged to post photos. It is up to you to prove you're not lazy.
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Jun 6, 2018 08:21:09   #
dsmeltz wrote:
The issue here seems to be can artistic talent be learned or is it inborn. Proof (such as the length of training for artists like Mozart and Picasso) have been put forth here as proof that "talent" follows training and experience.

So far the contingent that claims it is otherwise have offered no proofs at all. (Yeah I am talking to you tdekany and TheDman) Since they have no proof of their positions, they shout about the need for others to provide proof of individual artistic talent in the form of posted photographs even though that is not the topic of the thread.
The issue here seems to be can artistic talent be ... (show quote)


Still another post with no photos. I cannot believe your laziness.

If "talent" followed training and experience, I would be as good as Roger Federer at tennis. I've certainly put in the training hours. How do you explain that I'm not?
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Jun 5, 2018 10:51:36   #
Fotoartist wrote:
Does this guy have talent?


Everybody does.
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Jun 5, 2018 10:26:23   #
dsmeltz wrote:
And, if you have tracked past posts by tdekany and TheDman, you know fairness has little to do with it. No-win scenarios, the non-sequitur and "Do you still beat your wife?" questions are the forte of most trolls like them.


Quit being lazy and post some images!
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Jun 5, 2018 10:19:43   #
As for this topic, art is like sports or anything else - it requires talent. Everyone has some talent. Practice can develop your talent to it's full potential, but because everyone has different amounts of it, everyone's ceiling is different. No amount of tennis practice is going to make me Roger Federer, but that doesn't stop me from practicing more and having fun trying to improve.
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Jun 5, 2018 10:12:53   #
tdekany wrote:
I ended up asking him as well to provide some proof in a follow up reply.

Only on UHH do you get such resistance for wanting to see examples.


He's just being lazy.
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Jun 5, 2018 09:58:09   #
dsmeltz wrote:
That would not be proof of anything since I have not claimed, in this thread, to have photographic artistic ability.

Did you bother to actually read this thread or to think through your statements prior to pushing the send button?


He's referring to the poster he was replying to, not you. Comprehending this thread is really kicking your butt, isn't it?
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Jun 5, 2018 09:57:34   #
dsmeltz wrote:
Then you should work that belief into your comment. This is a conversation. You should not just out a request with no link to the conversation. You just asked to see his work. You might have said something like "could you post some of your work that shows this artistic ability?" But you did not, you just tossed out a demand with no explanation.


Translation: "Dumb it down so I can understand it."
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Jun 5, 2018 09:49:13   #
garygrafic wrote:
Let's clear the air...........If you own a graphics studio PS is an absolute must. NO ifs ands or buts, period! If you're a PHOTOGRAPHER, LR is the way to go. Do not call yourself a photographer if you're good at putting a line of type around a beer bottle. You're brilliant at graphics, but perhaps not photography. Photoshop is just too, too ,much, stuff a photographer will never use. For straight photography, LR is the way to go.


LOL!
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Jun 4, 2018 10:46:57   #
traderjohn wrote:
The difference is the person, not a machine. The machine(camera) has a greater range than the human. You use the machine to tale who knows how many pictures. You stack some of them or bracket a few and then the machine does the magic.


"greater range"? The human invented the machine. No machines do any magic.
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Jun 4, 2018 08:29:17   #
traderjohn wrote:
Well, if you think it's art. How can anything that is captured with an electronic tool then manipulated with a variety of other software programs be art?


The same way anything that can be captured with manual tools and a variety of pigment substances can be art.
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Jun 2, 2018 08:53:44   #
gwilliams6 wrote:
TheDman you have been lucky then. I would NEVER risk a photo trip without a backup camera, even if just a point-and-shoot. And I have hiked around Scottish Highlands, Appalachian trial, Rockies, etc. and ALWAYS have a backup camera, for my professional as well as personal work. Cheers


Have you needed it? Had a body ever died on you? I've never had one die, film or digital, in my 20 years of shooting. Closest I've ever come was in Iceland after shooting Gjlufrufoss... like being hit with a fire hose. Camera stopped working for half a day until it dried out.

As for hiking in Scotland, have you done the West Highland Way? Most beautiful trail on earth. I've done that twice, as well as the Great Glen Way and the South West Coast Path at the bottom of England. If you can do that one from Lulworth Cove to Swanage in one day lugging two bodies and 3 lenses, you're tougher than me. 😀
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Jun 2, 2018 08:37:47   #
treadwl wrote:
I would never take the trip "of a lifetime" without a backup camera. Having shot as a professional has made this an absolute priority.


My trips of a lifetime usually involve hundreds of miles if hiking, which I guess has taught me to travel light. Backup anything isn't an option; heck, after a particularly tough day of hiking coastal cliffs I was ready to throw some lenses into the ocean!
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Jun 1, 2018 19:51:52   #
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