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May 15, 2020 19:52:42   #
soba1 wrote:
May I
An atheist doesn’t believe in any god or God.
Agnostic as I have shown has no spiritual knowledge.
The term agnostic is actually misused.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRmX9RVeNkU
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May 15, 2020 19:05:02   #
hondo812 wrote:


Perhaps that is also the case with Chinese workers working in factories producing Apple products.
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May 15, 2020 18:34:53   #
LWW wrote:
Stop ducking and I will.

The original question was how do you explain that the universe exists?

Obviously it does, surely you comprehend that.

I expressed my opinion of how, why can’t you?

If you only knew that the actual science destroys what you believe.

I am willing to defend my beliefs in this discussion, our self proclaimed atheists seem afraid of doing that.

Do you know the difference between an atheist and an agnostic?
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May 15, 2020 18:10:40   #
LWW wrote:
That is not true.

It takes discernment to see evidence, if one wishes to deny the evidence they can ... that doesn't make the evidence go away.


Please name the "evidence" you are referring to.
Human beings can no more prove the existence or otherwise of a God, than amoebas in a puddle of water can prove that the earth is round or flat.
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May 15, 2020 09:18:14   #
soba1 wrote:
No one lives for ever. Eternity is forever choose wisely.


Soba1, is that what Christianity is for you? A bet each way?
Please don't try and push what you assume is my 'fear of dying' button, or "the unpardonable sin" button".

You have chosen to be a Christian and I have no problem with you having your beliefs. I have my views which are different to yours. I don't need or want to persuade you from your Christian beliefs. I just don't share them.
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May 15, 2020 08:34:06   #
soba1 wrote:
Let me ask you
Do you think it’s ok to steal
Do you think it’s ok to murder someone
Do you think it’s ok to take another mans wife
Just answer yes or no


You are referring to the ten commandments? How does that prove the existence of God?
These are rules most organised/civilised societies base their legal systems on.
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May 15, 2020 08:05:34   #
Rose42 wrote:
It takes a bigger leap of faith to believe that there is no God.


OK then, there is is not a person on earth who can prove the existence or non existence of God either way.
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May 15, 2020 08:00:43   #
LWW wrote:
What lies behind the singularity is both unknown and unknowable.

Ow, how about answers your question Ducky Jr.

In other words it takes a leap of faith to believe in God the creator. You are just replacing x with y.
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May 15, 2020 04:59:00   #
LWW wrote:
The Creator, thanks for ducking.

Care to try and answer?


And who or what created "the creator"
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May 13, 2020 05:56:30   #
thom w wrote:
It would be their fault, as they had a chance to fix their Trump problem, but I fear you may be right about blood in the streets. If given a choice of a world where Trump had never existed or a world where Murdoch had never existed, I think the one without Murdoch not only would be better but wouldn't have had a president named Trump.


Amen!
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May 11, 2020 08:29:02   #
LWW wrote:
So you couldn't find the evidence that you posted?

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on 1 MAY 2020: Armed protesters enter Michigan's state capitol to demand end to c****av***s lockdown
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-01/armed-us-protesters-seek-end-to-c****av***s-restrictions/12205586

On that occasion (1 MAY 2020) there were no armed African-American persons openly displaying weapons, let alone open carrying weapons in support of the w***e s*********ts present at the anti c****av***s lockdown protest.

In fact, on the 1 MAY 2020 Sarah Anthony: "... had walked, alone, through a crowd of armed protesters and r****t symbols..."
Note the word "alone"

On Wednesday the following week 6 May 2020 she was escorted by three open carrying African American persons:
these gentlemen were not supporting the cause of the w***e s*********ts. They were making a point that they were there to protect Sarah Anthony and other lawmakers from being targeted by thugs again.

"The state representative Sarah Anthony, 36, said she wanted to highlight what she saw as the failure of the Michigan c*****l p****e to provide legislators with adequate security during the protest, which saw demonstrators with rifles standing in the legislative chamber above lawmakers."
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May 11, 2020 06:16:09   #
LWW wrote:
Some of them were.

What, if anything, was your point?


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I have been trying to find pictorial evidence that supports your claim. Perhaps you can find it for me? Most press descriptions of the persons with guns at the rally described them as "w***e s*********ts".
I imagine it would be quite difficult to find African-American persons who are card carrying members of w***e s*********t organisations. I might be wrong, this is America after all.

In the mean time the following pops up:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/07/michigan-lawmaker-armed-escort-rightwing-protest

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/e******y/496792-armed-activists-escort-black-michigan-lawmaker-to-capitol

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2020/05/08/armed-activists-escort-sarah-anthony-into-michigan-capitol-protest-c****av***s/3094976001/

ANSING — Armed activists escorted Rep. Sarah Anthony into the Capitol building Wednesday.

She had walked, alone, through a crowd of armed protesters and r****t symbols the week before.

Anthony, D-Lansing, is among the Michigan lawmakers who spoke out after armed demonstrators gathered inside the Capitol last week to protest Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's orders shutting down sectors of the economy in order to slow the spread of the deadly c****av***s.

“I have never been in that type of environment in which I was made to feel so intimidated,” Anthony said. “There is something very unnerving about the juxtaposition of confederate f**gs and nooses and armed gunmen feet away from where you are doing your job.

“As an African American woman, I felt I might be more of a target with that particular group.”
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May 9, 2020 17:55:39   #
soba1 wrote:
They stood up for their rights and what they believed in their (our) freedoms God given rights as human beings and Americans.

I can't help wondering what might have happened if the men carrying the weapons had been black?
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May 7, 2020 05:56:28   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Imagine thommie's poor parents having to accept him from the delivery room nurse. It was at that precise moment and numerous moments throughout their little girl's life when they asked themselves if they really had the right child and could they get a refund.

Dennis


You really need professional help.
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May 6, 2020 08:21:12   #
WNYShooter wrote:
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/04/22/c****av***s-and-fallacy-false-dilemma-14736

Should we open up the economy immediately or remain on lockdown indefinitely until a v*****e is made? Believe it or not, there are other options. It's too bad that society isn't smart enough to understand that.

I'm continually struck by what our species is capable of.

On the one hand, we build skyscrapers, cure disease, and put men on the moon. On the other hand, we knock off liquor stores, ignite our own farts, and engage in battles of sheer stupidity on social media. I'm convinced that the members of our species that constitute the latter far outnumber the former, which is why I'm shocked that our species has come as far as we have.

The C****-** p******c seems to have brought out the best and worst of humanity. There are thousands of stories of true heroes -- mostly doctors, nurses, and medical staff -- putting their lives on the line to save complete strangers from a scary infectious disease. But then there are also thousands of stories about r****m, domestic violence, hoarding, price gouging, and other wicked behavior.

C****av***s and the Fallacy of the False Dilemma

Social media, of course, remains the sewer pipe it always has been. Not only has disinformation flourished, but everybody seems to fancy himself or herself an epidemiologist, public health expert, and economist. The debate about the lockdown has been absurdly over-simplified to the following false dilemma: "Open the economy now!" vs. "Stay on lockdown until a v*****e comes out!" Believe it or not, there are other options.

What makes the debate even more infuriating is that those who favor an indefinite lockdown claim to have "science" on their side. No. As a scientist myself, I can say without a doubt that smart public policy is not simply doing what scientists say. Why? Because there are many other considerations -- legal, ethical, and financial -- that scientists routinely do not take. Scientists deserve a seat at the table, but so do economists, businesspeople, and, dare I say, lawyers.

Those who favor an indefinite lockdown also claim that we shouldn't sacrifice lives for the economy. This is a statement made out of pure ignorance for two reasons: (1) A society with a severely damaged economy inevitably will harm public health; and (2) We already sacrifice lives for the sake of the economy every single day. Influenza k**ls thousands of Americans every year. HIV k**led hundreds of thousands since it emerged in the 1980s. Car crashes k**l about 40,000 Americans each year.

Imagine all the lives that could have been saved if we simply shut down daily life in 1980. If you believe that conclusion is absurd (and it is), then it's equally absurd to argue that the C****-** lockdown must go on indefinitely until a v*****e comes out. (Spoiler alert: A v*****e may never come, and if it does, it may not work very well.)

Those who want to fully open up the economy right now are also spouting nonsense. There is simply no way that Americans have achieved herd immunity for C****-**, so disease hotspots (which are usually in big cities) must reopen their economies cautiously over the coming weeks and months. Restrictions in other, less dense places can probably be lifted relatively soon. We need a nuanced approach that considers local and regional factors, rather than a top-down either/or policy dictated from the state capital. What makes sense for an urban area usually does not make sense for a rural area. Thus, this isn't a choice between A and B. It's a choice between A, B, and about a dozen other variations.

Most People Can't Be Properly Educated

Yesterday, I was having a conversation with two of my best friends. We came to the conclusion that most people can't be educated. There are two reasons for this.

First, many don't want to be educated. They want to be lied to. That's why cable news and partisan websites are popular. Most people don't really want their beliefs challenged; they want them reaffirmed. This is a problem inherent to human psychology and is largely insurmountable. It's part of the "fall of man."

Second, for the few of us who are open-minded enough to have our beliefs challenged, even fewer are capable of understanding highly complex arguments. No matter how long I sit in a lecture hall, I'm never going to walk away with a decent grasp of quantum mechanics. My brain isn't built for it. The math is too hard for my neurons, which is why I had to settle for microbiology.

But for some reason, too many Americans seem to think that they're smarter than everybody else, including experts. I think this is a cultural problem that stems from the fact that we teach kids from a young age that they can be wh**ever they want to be, if only they wish and work hard enough for it. But, as many Millennials discovered, this is a bald-faced lie. External factors over which we have no control -- recessions, p******cs, Baby Boomers -- have an outsized impact on what options are actually available to us. Besides, Little Johnny will never be an astronaut if he can't pay attention in pre-algebra.

We would do a lot better as a society if we taught people from a young age that some people really are smarter than you and should be listened to. Until then, we will continue to have a culture dominated by people who spend five minutes on Google and then believe themselves to be among the world's leading experts in constitutional law and infectious disease epidemiology.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/04/22/c****av***s-a... (show quote)

An excellent and well considered article
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