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Aug 29, 2015 13:50:29   #
Espionage laws and classification policy are different. Violating classification rules doesn't necessarily interpret to "espionage". The National Security Act, 1947 is for espionage, leaking information is vastly different. The CFR is more comprehensive than Wickipedia.
DaveO wrote:
"Who usually violates proper protocol?"


You may also want to be a little more careful and maybe check references provided. The answer provided from the Wikipedia ref was:

"The legislative and executive branches of government, including US presidents, have frequently leaked classified information to journalists.[4][5][6][7] Congress has repeatedly resisted or failed to pass a law that generally outlaws disclosing classified information. Most espionage law only criminalizes national defense information; only a jury can decide if a given document meets that criterion, and judges have repeatedly said that being "classified" does not necessarily make information become related to the "national defense".[8][9] Furthermore, by law, information may not be classified merely because it would be embarrassing or to cover illegal activity"

It is easy to peruse threads and automatically turn most any into a political challenge and that is what has happened here. I made it very clear what my intent was and some opted to interpret that as an opportunity to lash out or demean. How typical and shameful that so many threads end up in the trash. My references very plainly and without prejudice were made to provide a little insight into what is deemed classified, etc.
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Aug 29, 2015 13:42:07   #
Having participated in the drafting of two EO's, administrations want to refine the classification policy adjusted to their philosophy and policy. Sometime political pressure is vastly applied.
DaveO wrote:
Funny how each president has to provide an executive order for "Classified National Security Information." Guess I don't get it.
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Aug 29, 2015 13:11:49   #
Agree. The subject of classified is never ending depending on the party in power, the president, etc. Classification is important only when applied in a tightly controlled, meaningful manner. Examples are nuclear control orders, war plans, troop movement, etc.
DaveO wrote:
Apparently the interpretation and enforcement of the standards are extremely flexible to say the least. Even the standards are not much more than vague guidelines.
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Aug 29, 2015 12:34:33   #
"Who usually violates proper protocol?" Violations occur daily and there is a long list of people (Democrats and Republicans), government agencies, military departments that violate the Code of Federal Regulations when classified information is disclosed in an unauthorized manner. The classification system is broken in this country. What one agency deems classified in not deemed classified by another agency. The Government bureaucracy is notorious for “classifying information” to hide or cover up mistakes. The classification system is whack-o, expensive to operate and confusing. Billions of dollars are spent each year unnecessarily for administration of the system. (See the ISOO Annual Report to the President). Name calling, finger pointing, etc. doesn’t matter – the system is broken.
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Aug 28, 2015 09:07:39   #
Tom Blanton, Director, National Security Archive is an expert on classification. Their website would provide you with objective information of this subject. Personally, having worked over 40 years w/classified information My assessment is what is and is not classified is completely out of control and need fixing. Not a political statement just honest
DaveO wrote:
There are several items in the news regarding classified documents. What does classified mean? How critical is it? Who usually violates proper protocol? What penalties are typically imposed?

Just a couple of helpers, obviously much more info available, CFR's,etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States

http://www.archives.gov/isoo/faqs/identifying-handling-classified-records.html
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Jun 29, 2015 08:54:54   #
I also have COPD and understand your pain & concern. Enjoy your trip, your son and you are lucky to have a wife/nurse caring for you.
sarge69 wrote:
A couple of days ago (Monday) while I was at the Naples Zoo, going around in 90+ degree weather, I was sweating and noticing my COPD was acting up. Later in the day it seemed to subside.

The next day was in the 90s again and it seemed again I could not catch a breath that was satisfying. I mentioned it to my wife and she said "sit down and enjoy the air conditioning."

Friday was the worst. I could not breath easily and seemed anxious about each breath. I worried constantly about my breathing because I was more or less constantly trying to get a deep breath and it wasn't coming. Sleep was difficult so I went into the living room, turning the A/C down to 73 and sat in the air flow and after a bit, my breathing got a little better so I went to bed. (90s and high humidity in the area continued)

Saturday I sat around; being very anxious about my breathing and weird thoughts ran through my head. Would this be my last day in my dream house here in Paradise? Would I go to a hospital and lay there gasping for that last breath feeling like I was drowning without being in water ? My wife (an RN) checked me out and my oxygen blood level was down to a 91/92 low and she thought she heard some crackling in my lung indicating fluid buildup. More anxiety on that thought. Sat afternoon I went to a 'clinic', not an ER, here in Ft Myers and the doctor recommended something called 'MethylPREDNISolone Tablets, USP 4mg. This stuff is taken in reducing levels, ie., 1st day 6 pills, 2nd day 4 pills, 3rd day 4, 4th day 3, 5th day 2. Well, took all 6 at 3pm and really by 7pm I was feeling better. I also took a pain pill given to me after have a molar pulled on Thursday and was in " I'm OK Mode ."

Today is Sunday and woke up feeling much better and no breathing problems. I'm not going out in the 90 degree weather today as I found out folks with COPD should avoid high temps and humidity or the opposite with cold temps.

Why am I posting this dribble? Because of Satudays thoughts and realizing we all have so much to lose if we depart this earth or cease to exist. I feel better today and want to do everything to extend that feeling. I'm going to concentrate on enjoying my life and what there is left of it at 73. Me and the wife are flying to Belgium Friday to visit our son there on an internship and old friends. (We lived in Belgium for 6 years while in the military). I want to enjoy it and even though I told the wife I was going to take it easy, I'm going to do as much as I can.

Thanks for listening, I feel even better now. Anxiety is a bummer ain't it?

Sarge69
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Jun 24, 2015 15:37:12   #
You - Was I A Jerk? Yes before and yes now.
Nightski wrote:
Christians like you give us all a bad rap. What a shame.
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Jun 24, 2015 14:58:37   #
You asked the question, I responded. Further, you don't know what the police or the person being confronted will be. God forgives sinners, but stupid (jerk) is forever
Nightski wrote:
I don't think so. Our police force is a very well trained, intelligent bunch. I am sure they go to these calls with the intention to educate. With our over filled rescue facilities, I am sure they would rather educate an owner so that he or she can be more responsible than to put another animal in the shelter to be scheduled for euthanasia.
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Jun 24, 2015 13:56:51   #
Your question: Was I a jerk?
After re-reading your original post this situation could have and should have been reasonably thought dealt with. You reaction was to take pictures and call the police could have created an untenable situation for the owner with the police.
To answer your question. YES, and a busy body.
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Jun 24, 2015 11:43:28   #
Exactly
rpavich wrote:
For what?

How hot was the car?
How long were they gone?
Was the dog in distress at all?

What exactly would the cop chew them out for?


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Jun 24, 2015 11:39:08   #
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Jun 24, 2015 08:55:09   #
A reasonable, thoughtful response. I take my dog most everyplace and ensure his comfort and hydration is adequate.
The writer of the post could have thought thru the situation especially if one must ask for reassurance in a public forum.
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Jun 4, 2015 13:45:06   #
It's true.
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Jun 4, 2015 13:13:59   #
The TSA operating manual WAS inadvertently published on the internet several years ago and the govt attempted to recall copies. Confident most of those procedures haven't changed to this day. Vulnerabilities seldom change much.
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Jun 4, 2015 08:59:53   #
This is the U.S.A. not Israel. El Al is a small airline as compared to United, Delta, etc. The TSA is useless as an effective agency as articulated previously. The railway system carries 5 times the passengers, yet little or no coverage by TSA. So TSA is useless and for show.]They should copy E l Al.[/quote]
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