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Jun 6, 2012 06:56:57   #
Congratulations, a D800 also arrived at my house last week, just in time for father’s day.

modeladay wrote:
Happy birthday to me :)
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Jun 6, 2012 06:53:24   #
The point is it is a diffrent mm range and if you check it out the going from DX to FX on the D800 will not work well and reduce the D800 to a 16MP camera.

Lucian wrote:
Brucej67 wrote:
"On the D7000 the lens has a factor of 1.5 making it a 105-300mm."


And your point is...????

I believe we all know this fact Bruce and if it was a Canon DX camera body it would be a factor of 1.6 so what is your point in your comment please?

We were discussing what lenses work on both DX and full frame cameras. Of course DX cameras have a different mm range for a particular mm setting than a full frame, that is common knowledge.
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Jun 5, 2012 17:09:43   #
On the D7000 the lens has a factor of 1.5 making it a 105-300mm.

Lucian wrote:
You can use lenses on the D7000 such as the 70-200VR f-2.8 and also use these on something full frame too like the D800, I have this lens and it works perfectly well on my D7000 and will work on a D800.

Therefore, buy better lenses that are suited to a full frame camera and use them on something like the D7000 or maybe the new D600 when it arrives (if) and this person will be fine. No need to limit yourself to only DX lenses if you plan to go to full frame later on.

I don't understand why you only suggested a DX lens in your suggestions above, for a D7000 body. Or maybe you did not realize that you can use a lens like the 70-200VR f2.8 on both a D800 and a D7000. Need to do your home work so as not to misinform someone.
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Jun 5, 2012 16:51:09   #
D800-$3000
Nikkor 24-70mm 2.8 - $1,888
Nikkor 70-200mm 2.8 - $2,645

D7000-$1,092
Nikkor 18-200mm 3.5 - $900

Incompatible on lens if he decides to go to an D800 in the future after purchasing the D7000.

Lucian wrote:
If you choose to go one way, always go with a cheaper body and better lenses. I have the D7000 and D300 and Fuji S5 PRO and the low noise and high ISO is the best on the D7000. Considering you can get the same guts in the much lower priced D5100 as my D7000 there is nothing wrong with "That" cheaper body.

You get the same excellent sensor etc, just not the better body, so with good lenses you will get better images than going with an expensive body and cheap lenses every time. Todays cheaper bodies are not like 5 years ago type cheaper bodies.

And another thing, later on when you have the funds, you are only buying one better body to upgrade your kit. By going with an expensive body and cheap lenses, you will have a far higher cost to move up to better lenses at a later time, than just the cost of one body. So don't listen to advice about a better body and cheap lenses, that is false economy.
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Jun 5, 2012 07:30:03   #
It would be interesting to know the stats broken down on camera sales for professional photographers, armature and just the general public.

RixPix wrote:
LyneLa Mesa wrote:
I have enjoyed reading Ken Rockwell's Nikon webpages, but just realized all the pictures he posts were not taken with Nikon camera or lenses. I assume he receives income from Nikon for this site. If his information is about Nikon because it is a brand that sells best to amature photographers, therefore more income, should we take what he says with a grain of salt? He does not think enough about Nikon to use their products. Your thoughts.


You need to recheck your facts regarding camera sales. Canon has about 40% of the market...Nikon about 25%, Sony about 11%. All the other brands are afterthoughts.
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Jun 5, 2012 07:01:27   #
Though I don't argue with getting quality lens, I do argue with less quality body. Just like taking a good picture is a matter of balancing aperture, shutter speed and ISO, so is the same with the camera. A cheaper body on a good lens can have the same effect as a good body with a cheaper lens. The body's main components are its sensor and processor, as an example some can handle high ISO at lower noise and others cannot. My take is buy the best bodies you can afford then save and skimp for the best lens. If you buy a cheap body and best lens you will never be satisfied either and you will at some time look for a better body to match your expensive lens.

Bridges wrote:
Lucian wrote:
Don't even consider the D700 go for either the D7000 or if you have the money then the D800, bigger and heavier but a great camera. If there is to be a D600 and you can wait, then go for that and use the extra money you were going to spend on the D800, to buy yourself some nice lenses for the D600.


Good advise. You can spend 1200.00 for a top of the line receiver and buy 50.00 worth of speakers and get crappy sound. Same with cameras. A less expensive body and money spent on a top lens will give you much better photos than buying a 3000.00 body and putting a 200.00 lens on it.
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Jun 3, 2012 19:41:10   #
Yes it would be great, maybe in the future the will be able to make an intelligent sensor chip that could also act like a shutter by turning it on and off.

Photogdog wrote:
Brucej67 wrote:
In truth mirror-less technology in cameras have been around for a long time. In the film days we called it transparent mirror technology and back in 1967 I had a Pentax transparent mirror camera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellicle_mirror
Today’s technology makes the revival of the concept better than the previous film cameras with transparent mirrors.


maranatha wrote:
there has been no real change dslrs as good number of years mirrorless is the start of change i am professional and look forward to the day when everything will be more compact sony makes sensors for nikon because all is digitally enanched the scope for change is mind boggling be wary of photo mags the big two help finance them so they rate them higher have full frame canon beast to lug around bought a 35 sony for casual photos brilliant camera for money some of these experts talk goobleydook to make you think they know what they are talking about truth is when digital came technollogy does all the work photo shop and so on oh my seven year study means nothing maranatha
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Bruce,

Wouldn't it be neat if somebody came out with a semi-transparent shutter? Then there'd be no moving parts except for the control dials & the shutter button itself.

SIGH!

PD
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Jun 3, 2012 18:51:59   #
In truth mirror-less technology in cameras have been around for a long time. In the film days we called it transparent mirror technology and back in 1967 I had a Pentax transparent mirror camera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellicle_mirror
Today’s technology makes the revival of the concept better than the previous film cameras with transparent mirrors.


maranatha wrote:
there has been no real change dslrs as good number of years mirrorless is the start of change i am professional and look forward to the day when everything will be more compact sony makes sensors for nikon because all is digitally enanched the scope for change is mind boggling be wary of photo mags the big two help finance them so they rate them higher have full frame canon beast to lug around bought a 35 sony for casual photos brilliant camera for money some of these experts talk goobleydook to make you think they know what they are talking about truth is when digital came technollogy does all the work photo shop and so on oh my seven year study means nothing maranatha
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Jun 3, 2012 16:01:01   #
Understood, however if you are going to buy a new camera and you have the funds to support it, you don't want to buy a model that is old and will be replaced soon. Don't be afraid of the cameras (professional or armature cameras), any camera you buy you will need to get to know your camera and what you and it can do together. Remember in photography there is basically three items you control for balance:
1. Aperture - the opening on the iris of the lens that allows how much light the lens lets in (also responsible for depth of field, or how far in front and behind your subject is in focus).
2. Shutter Speed - how fast the shutter closes when you depress the shutter release button to open the shutter (used to freeze motion for moving subjects).
3. ISO - the sensitivity of the sensor in the camera (usually the higher the number the more sensitive the sensor becomes, drawback is electronic noise at high ISO speeds.
You balance all three of these in any camera to take pictures either by letting the camera make choices or you make them on behalf of the camera. Other items on the camera such as white balance you can pick up easily. Just get the best camera you can afford and learn it well, then learn how to become a great photographer from all the members on UHH as well as written material and practice.


51goldie wrote:
My biggest problem is that I don't want to buy the D800 and then realise that I am not a good enough photographer to use it properly. I am amatuer, self taught and I want to improve, not go backwards.
My camera is dying on it's feet and I need the right replacement but I also need to be up to the cameras standard.
Thank you all for the great advice so far.
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Jun 3, 2012 11:26:22   #
I agree and the two best lenses (though expensive) is the Nikkor 70-200mm f2.8 and 24-70mm f2.8. The lens is almost as expensive as the D800 body but well worth it. On a fixed lens side I would recommend the 50mm 1.4 and either the 40mm, 60mm or 105mm for macro.

silver wrote:
51goldie wrote:
If you were upgrading your DSLR and had decided to change brands to Nikon, would you buy a Nikon D7000 or the D800? I am not really interested in video mode but would like a full frame camera.
Suggestions welcome please.


get the 800, you will be very happy with it
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Jun 3, 2012 07:53:27   #
I have both the D800 and D7000. The D800 is FX while the D7000 is DX, therefor to get the full benefit from the cameras I need two set of lenses. The D7000 is lighter and better as an all-day walk around camera, the D800 is a tad heavier (I have the power packs on both cameras) as a walk around camera. D7000 16MP and D800 36MP can make a difference on the type of photography or PP you do. Each camera has its benefits and drawbacks and is usually a personal preference.

51goldie wrote:
If you were upgrading your DSLR and had decided to change brands to Nikon, would you buy a Nikon D7000 or the D800? I am not really interested in video mode but would like a full frame camera.
Suggestions welcome please.
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Jun 2, 2012 11:20:46   #
I use Tamron lenses with my Sony and find them to be a good lens (better than the kit Sony lens and cheaper than the "G" or Ziess). I also use Minolta AF lens and they are also quality lens at far less cost than Tamron (eBay has many of them). All of these lens works equaly as well on the A77.

JBTaylor wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
HOT Texas wrote:
I shoot a lot of old manual focus lens and M42 mount lens, and they do not work well on the newer Sony's


So do I! I have a couple of Helios 58mm primes (one from 1973, the other 1976), and the quality from them is astonishingly beautiful.

Both the A230 and the A580 work perfectly with these lenses.

Even some modern AF lenses have problems with some recent Sony DSLTs.


Well that gives me a few second thoughts. One factor that drew me to Sony was the fact that I could use vintage Minolta lenses on them and have image stabilization on all my lenses. While I'm thinking to get the 2.8 lens with the a77 at an apparent $200 bundle discount, my realistic options for better lens is either the better third party lens or the better Minolta lenses on ebay, etc.
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Jun 1, 2012 17:26:31   #
Beautiful pictures, and one of my own.

Taken in bright sun

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Jun 1, 2012 12:37:25   #
On my Sony cameras I use a lot of Tamron lens and find them adequit for my needs. On my Nikon I use a mixture of quality Nikkor and Tamron lens. The Tamron lens range from high grade to low grade, but their price range is ussualy a bit cheaper than the manufacturers high grade lens. It is all about budget and what you can afford, to me the sensor, processor come first then I work my way up to better lens.

JBTaylor wrote:
Thanks Bruce and Keith.

I do wonder if I'm splitting hairs with the higher ISO advantage of the a580. Either camera is a huge improvement over what I have. I also wonder if I would miss the additional resolution and other features of the a77.

Keith, your photo is a nice example of what the a77 can do in the right hands.

I still need to get this past my "financial advisor". If I get the a77, I'm planning on getting the 16-50 2.8 lens with it. I need better glass too. Seems this last year that I really bumped up against the limits of what I have.
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Jun 1, 2012 09:11:10   #
I have the A77 and love it, it is well worth the cost. I don't know how good the A580 is so I can't comment on it. I also have the A700, A850 and A900 which are in the professional category. The EVF on the A77 gives great views in low light, however the auto-focusing has problems in too low a light. I have not experienced any fall of due to the 3% light pick for the EVF and meter. The upgraded BIONZ processor really does a good job on noise reduction at the higher ISO levels.
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