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Aug 27, 2013 05:51:24   #
If you are looking to buy paper, I have a lot that I no longer use. Would you want to buy it?
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Aug 26, 2013 07:55:46   #
If you have to break this up, I would be interested in the tripod.
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Aug 25, 2013 16:27:15   #
rmalarz wrote:
The Sharing Part.

First off, in most lighting situations, I tend to use a Hand Held Meter which I've profiled for my camera. I tend not to use the TTL meter most times.

I do keep WB in mind, but don't overly concern myself with it at the time of taking the image, as it can be adjusted later in PP. Thus, white balance on the camera is set to AWB and left there. Format is set to RAW.

1. In addition to HHM determination of exposure, I have profile curves in PS for each lens I use and exposure method combinations. These are applied during the ACR step in PP, prior to determining white and black levels. (Yes, at times TTL metering is much more convenient)
Thus, any lens will have a profile for:
Hand Held Meter
Matrix
Center Weighted
Spot

I then adjust white and black to determine those settings, additional adding Clarity, Saturation, and Vibrance, and open in PS.

2. As for PP color adjustment, I do the same as I do with exposure and contrast. I attempt to recreate the scene as I saw it in my mind, and sensed it emotionally, at the time of taking the image. Pre-visualization is the key here.

White Balance:
If I determine WB should be applied, after opening the image in ACR, applying the lens and exposure profiles, and make white and black adjustments along with clarity, saturation, and vibrance ajustments, then open in PS. I save the file as a .psd. Here is the algorithm for the program I wrote. Yes, being a computer programmer has its advantages.

3. Scan each pixel in the image file and determine if any are white. This looks at each pixel and tries to find the one, or several, that have the R,G,B values for white - 255,255,255.

If a pixel with the RGB value of 255,255,255 doesn't exist, which one(s) is/are closest.

Output the required R,G,B values to make that pixel white.
(Thus a pixel whose R,G,B values were 255,250,253 would indicate that a boost in values for G and B are needed, add 5 to G and add 2 to B) I make note of that.

Repeat the above two steps looking for Black and output the R,G,B values required to produce a Black pixel. (In this case, though, the values would be subtracted to bring the R,G,B values to 0,0,0).

Finally, and probably the most important, average the R,G,B values across the entire image. This will output the necessary offset to apply to the R,G,B values to provide a mid-tone of 127,127,127. This could involve adding and/or subtracting values from each pixel's RGB values.

After the values are determined, I open the image in PS and proceed to apply those adjustments. Additionally, I most often use, darken/lighten and contrast adjustments, with burning and dodging to achieve the desired visual results.

I've attached two images to illustrate the above proceedure. The first has no white balance applied to it, the second does. The first was provided to the owner of the restaurant becuase it was going to be used on their web site. I wanted a visual representation of a warm ambiance.

Due to the primary lighting being incandecent and the wood tables, there was a bit of a red, or warming cast over the image. This was a pleasing appearance for the intended use of the photograph. So, I decided to leave it as is.

The second is more of what I visually perceived the reality that was the most pleasing to me.
To make a print for myself, I applied the above procedure and achieved the second result.

The exposure information for the original image is ISO-200, f/16 @ 6 Seconds.

As an addendum, This program was written long before I became much more proficient with all of the capabilities of PS. The above can be accomplished within the image using curves. However, as stated, I do write computer programs. So, I fell back to my comfort zone at the time.

Additionally, along with a friend of mine, we wrote a stitching program which I still use today. It still out performs the one in Adobe. The only modification I've made to it is on the taking end.
--Bob
The Sharing Part. br br First off, in most lighti... (show quote)


I appreciate your response. From my standpoint, either picture would be ok with me. What does your program accomplish that the white balance tool does not? And, if I thought the original were too warm, why could I not adjust the color temperature, tint, vibrancy, or saturation to get a similar result?
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Aug 25, 2013 16:23:26   #
Bugfan wrote:
photoninja1 ... you remind me of my high school days.

When I was in school we were taught how to calculate square roots, how to do arithmetic in our heads, how even to calculate present value.

When my sister followed me nine years later all those things had been dropped. By then calculators were cheap and easy to buy. So why burn out the brain learning how to do that stuff when the calculator can do it for you?

Well that's an interesting sentiment. But calculators have batteries that fail, and calculators themselves also sometimes burn out a chip. How do you calculate then if you have to urgently?

Yah, maybe the expo disk is like that calculator was back in school. But what happens if you accidentally forget to take it along to your next shoot of a large event? Using it after the fact won't work. But what would work perfectly is this process we have so kindly been given.

I'd not be in too much of a hurry to discount and ignore it. I think it's worth learning and practicing. And I think we should be grateful for having been given the chance to find a work around to technical problems.
photoninja1 ... you remind me of my high school da... (show quote)


Simpler solution: set the camera to auto white balance.
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Aug 24, 2013 18:53:35   #
Rongnongno, I think I know that each manufacturer has its own idea of color balance. The Expodisc eliminates this.

Since you have not said that you meter the color temperature, I presume you are using a table. Please describe just exactly your point of reference. If you provide that information, then I think we could have a good discussion on the topic.
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Aug 24, 2013 18:44:23   #
rmalarz wrote:
Shooting in RAW has virtually eliminated my need to worry about white balance, along with providing ACR with profiles for each lens/TTL metering mode combination. Though, most of the time I use a hand held meter, which I also profiled for my camera.

If really needed because of some outrageous lighting situation, I can do a white balance in Photoshop using and algorithm I designed which produces a mathematically correct white balance. From that I can then do minor tweaks to achieve the color balance I find visually correct, or pleasing.
--Bob
Shooting in RAW has virtually eliminated my need t... (show quote)


1.) How does shooting raw eliminate worrying about color balance?

2.) When you adjust color balance in PS or any other program, do you adjust it to your recollection of the scene or to what looks good to you?

3.) How about showing us your mathematical approach to adjusting color balance?
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Aug 24, 2013 08:48:28   #
Expodisc does come in different "flavors". Check that out on their website. The purpose of the ED is to set the white balance to capture that of the scene. Once you have that, you can change it in post-processing if you want to something other than the original scene.

For example, you might want a warmer look for a portrait or autumn scene. Just change the color temperature, tint, vibrance or saturation in the final picture.

PS I recommend shooting raw because you can always undo the edits and have the original back. With jpg's, you have to save a copy of your edits.
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Aug 24, 2013 08:42:29   #
Rongnongno wrote:
Personally I set my camera with the kelvin scale depending on the time of the day and location. I find this much more precise than using the auto white balance or any white color balance option offered by the cameras.

When unconcerned (more often than not I simply use 5200k, slightly higher and warmer than the noon sun).

What do you do?


That is no more than guess work. Color measurement is based upon a calibrated, standardized instrument. No way you can do that. If it has been "working" for you, you are lucky or not discerning.

While auto white balance is better, I suggest you use an Expodisc. By coincidence, today has another thread on it.
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Aug 2, 2013 05:56:42   #
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Jul 25, 2013 08:52:38   #
Plenty of references to the photographer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessie_Tarbox_Beals

Could not date the photo.
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Jul 25, 2013 08:23:43   #
I never use the built-in level. Not worth the bother and I prefer the regular viewer rather than the live one on my Canon 60D. If I need to shoot the picture level as for a panorama, I use a separate level that fits into the camera's hot shoe. If my picture has a horizontal or vertical reference line, then I align to that in post-processing. Takes less time than fussing in the field.
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Jul 24, 2013 08:03:13   #
Taking the picture was just the beginning. She had to go back to her darkroom, develop the film, make a contact print, figure out what to burn in or hold back and then print again. And she probably toned the print when done, mounted it, framed it and put it up somewhere.

And I forget to mention she had to mix her own chemicals and with every new batch of raw materials, film or paper, she would have to recalibrate everything.

How many digital photos do you think you can turn out in this time?
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Jul 19, 2013 11:04:18   #
traveler90712 wrote:
Hate to do this, but I must ask;
Is this your picture?
If not, did you ask permission to use it and post it here?


Not my picture. The photographer did post it on the Internet and I do not have permission to use it. However, I do not think that is an issue in this case. Read the back story.
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Jul 19, 2013 10:25:46   #
Check out this photo. My question is does this photo have any value despite the technical flaws?

Here is the back story: http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/07/17/203016331/the-40-year-old-photo-that-gives-us-a-reason-to-smile

Kids playing, 1973

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Jun 15, 2013 13:11:52   #
I have not used LR5 yet so am not familiar with the radial filter. However, I use the vignetting a lot in LR4 and offer this as an alternative.

Comments anyone?
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