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Jul 4, 2018 18:18:08   #
TriX wrote:
It is not at all, and I see that you have (finally) understood WHY your shutter speed and ISO is changing. It is because with your particular camera, you have made a menu setting in auto ISO mode that relates shutter speed to FL to prevent blur from camera shake, and THAT is what’s causing the change in ISO. It is not the FL directly, it is the auto ISO setting you have chosen. If you’ll look back 2 pages, you will see that I specifically mentioned menu setting in auto ISO as one potential reason for the change. Either way, we are now (I hope) in agreement, and I wish you well.
It is not at all, and I see that you have (finally... (show quote)


The thing is that even if you don’t chose auto minimum shutter time, the camera reacts the same way! That is the way auto ISO works....the camera adjust shutter time according to FL ! It does not matter if you chose auto minimum shutter speed or manually set minimum shutter speed. I just checked myself to be sure I was correct!
I wish you well also!😊
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Jul 4, 2018 18:02:36   #
TriX wrote:
(Sigh) Sir, with all due respect, you are mistaken in your assumption and interpretation of the “rule of thumb” which you are citing. That guidance, as has already been explained, relates FL to shutter speed to prevent the effects of camera shake, NOT exposure. My strong suggestion is to research that “rule of thumb” and read the results carefully, rather than just repeating inaccurate information. Now as why your camera, in your specific situation, shows a change in ISO when you zoom has NOTHING to do with the FL, only changes in aperture (perhaps RELATED to the FL) or lighting or shutter speed. You are simply misunderstanding the relationship. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts!
(Sigh) Sir, with all due respect, you are mistaken... (show quote)


1/ I never said this “ rule of thumbs” effects exposure. It is a recommendation what minimum shutter speed you should use to avoid camera shake. I said that if you use aperture priority with auto ISO the minimum shutter time seems to follow this thumb of rule, I.e. longer FL sets a shorter time. For Nikon: go to settings and chose autoISO, maximum ISO and minimum shutter speed. If you go to minimum shutter speed you can chose any time or “auto”. If you chose auto the minimum shutter time will vary depending on what Fl you use! You can even adjust this minimum auto time to be faster or slower. The factory setting very much resembles this rule of thumbs.....Shutter time to avoid camera shake should be 1/FL seconds.
So...ISO will change with different Fl because the minimum shutter time will change!
Is this soooo hard to understand?
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Jul 4, 2018 17:30:22   #
TonyBot wrote:
Interesting post, Elmer.

What are you using for gear that changes the shutter speed when you change the focal length? You are inferring that it is done automatically. It is possible you misinterpreted the "rule" you referred to.

I think you are referring to the "rule of thumb" that *suggests* you use a shutter speed of one over (focal length) ie. 1/x where x = focal length, as a very strong suggestion that the resultant exposure (shutter speed) setting would decrease the possibility of a shot ruined by camera shake. That would be the one where a 100mm lens uses 1/125th, the 500mm uses 1/500th, etc. It decreases the possibility of, but does not guarantee to eliminate camera shake.

Modern stabilization systems have pretty much become so good that it is not necessary to do that, giving you a great deal of leeway -- but it is still a good idea to use "reciprocal of the focal length" (the 1/x referred to above) as a starting point in determining your exposure wherever possible. (When I was - hmm - somewhat younger, I could hold a 200mm lens down to about a tenth of a second. Haven't been able to do that for a while!)

In any case, Elmer - I like the idea of the camera warning to use a tripod. Now, all I have to do is pay attention and do it!
Interesting post, Elmer. br br What are you us... (show quote)


My camera, Nikon D7100 set to A(aperture priority) set the time to 1/30 s with the lens at 18 mm. With the lens zoomed all way to 140 mm the time will be1/250 s and the ISO WILL CHANGE accordingly! It is interesting that so many ppl don’t believe in this! Why not try for yourself? I guess some always want to have the last word..LoL.
Of course you are entitled to any opinion, but so am I!
Note:I am of Swedish origin, so my English is a bit off sometimes.
Hope you understand me .
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Jul 4, 2018 15:37:21   #
TriX wrote:
The ISO didn’t change because ONLY the FL changed, it changed because either the aperture of the lens changed as you zoomed (not unusual), or the lighting changed. Also using auto ISO Plus another automatic mode such as aperture priority, can yield unexpected results - the shutter speed, ISO or both can change depending on limits you set in the menu, changes in lighting of the subject, or changes in the maximum aperture of the lens as you zoom.

Have a nice 4th as well.


Ty....sorry to correct you, but you are wrong. The focal length changes shuttertime with auto ISO like the rule of thumbs...100 mm lens=1/125 s, 500 mm lens: 1/500 s and so on. There is a setting where you can slow down or increase this time. Of course you have measure on the sky or similar to not be fooled by different light conditions.
When the exposure will need a longer time than what the computer chooses, you will get a warning to use a tripod.
Pretty smart solution if you ask me!
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Jul 4, 2018 15:17:45   #
mwsilvers wrote:
Its not a question of believing you, you misinterpreted the point of my post. I was responding to Longshadow who said "He's not talking about the amount light hitting the sensor, he's talking about the amount of light going through the lens." All I was doing was indicating that the OP was referring to the amount of light hitting the sensor.


I usually shoot in manual mode with auto ISO andBBF. I tried Aperture priority with auto ISO and found that ISO was changing with focal length chosen. Some research and I found the ISO setting where you can change the shutter time, I.e if you are photographing birds in flight you might want a faster time. The instruction manual tells you how to do it, but if you don’t read carefully you might not get it. Anyway...same aperture, same ISO and same time corresponds to same amount of photons reaching the sensor.

Have a good 4th of July!
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Jul 4, 2018 14:57:16   #
Elmerviking wrote:
That is true if the ISO setting is the same, but the OP stated in his first post tha he was shooting AUTO ISO!
Manual mode....auto ISO will change according to focal length.
Manual mode....fixed ISO and same time and aperture will give an underexposed picture with a longer tele lens!
If you don’t believe me...try it out yourself!


Correction: forget my last sentence ...
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Jul 4, 2018 14:55:44   #
mwsilvers wrote:
The statement I quoted does not say anything about ISO. It was a very specific question, "Does a 7.1 aperture setting on a short tele lens allow the same amout of light onto the sensor as a 7.1 aperture setting on a long tele lens?"


That is true if the ISO setting is the same, but the OP stated in his first post tha he was shooting AUTO ISO!
Manual mode....auto ISO will change according to focal length.
Manual mode....fixed ISO and same time and aperture will give an underexposed picture with a longer tele lens!
If you don’t believe me...try it out yourself!
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Jul 4, 2018 14:35:44   #
mwsilvers wrote:
Actually the OP was specific when he asked about the amount of light hitting the sensor, not just just going through the lens.
He said, "Another way to state this... Does a 7.1 aperture setting on a short tele lens allow the same amout of light onto the sensor as a 7.1 aperture setting on a long tele lens?"


Only if you shoot manual! If you shoot aperture priority with auto ISO the camera will chose a shorter shutter time with a longer tele lens, I.e LESS LIGHT WILL REACH THE SENSOR. The camera compensates this by choosing a higher ISO value!
Same aperture...different time means different ISO.
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Jul 4, 2018 14:17:09   #
No! The op asked if ISO would be the same!😊
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Jul 4, 2018 13:55:14   #
It depends...If you shoot in manual mode with auto ISO and chose the same aperture and shutter time ISO will be the same. On the other hand, if you shoot in aperture mode (Av) with auto ISO the shutter time will change automaticly. A longer zoom lens will set a shorter time which will increase ISO with the same aperture! A shorter lens will set a longer time resulting in a lower ISO. (At least this is how it works on my Nikon D7100)
Try it out and tell all of us your findings!
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Jul 2, 2018 10:03:23   #
Did you check the “flash ready” lamp the first time you tested It?
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