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Nov 27, 2018 08:55:27   #
selmslie wrote:
They are not the same. Even the thumbnails are different. Obviously, the question went right over your head. The “unprocessed raw” shows the difference between the camra’s default processing and the computer’s.

There is an embedded image (there may be more than one) that is exactly the same.
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Nov 27, 2018 08:51:54   #
BebuLamar wrote:
It's not an embedded JPEG. It's a converted image from the RAW using the exact same settings as in the camera.

Why take the time to produce an image identical to one that already exists. RAW files do have an embedded jpeg for previewing.
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Nov 26, 2018 21:22:20   #
BebuLamar wrote:
My RAW looks exactly the same as my JPEG before I make any adjustment.

The raw sensor data cannot be viewed directly, so any image viewer that appears to show it to you is actually showing the embedded preview jpeg image. That of course is exactly the same jpeg as the camera outputs as a jpeg file.

They appear to be exactly the same because they are exactly the same!
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Nov 26, 2018 15:03:54   #
dennis2146 wrote:
But of course you realize that 50% of lawyers are proven wrong in court. There is the winning side and then the losing side.

Dennis

You don't understand the American legal system. One side prevails and the other does not, but in no way does that mean one lawyer was wrong. A lawyer protects the client. That means no death penalty for an assault! If you don't think that is a successful lawyer, represent yourself in court against a lawyer some day.
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Nov 25, 2018 21:52:33   #
Vietnam Vet wrote:
If you put someone who looks like a minor on your computer you might be explaining it to a judge before you head off to prison

Total BS.

I have dozens if not hundreds on minor children on my web page. Some have been there 20 years now.
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Nov 25, 2018 18:23:49   #
blackest wrote:
True enough in the UK RAF Waddington is home to AWACs Aircraft (they patrol watching out for icbm launches ...

AWACS planes spot, track, and control aircraft. They don't track enemy ICBMs, though they may control our own ICBMs.

Neat planes. I've talked to Alaskan bush pilots that have tried playing cat and mouse, using standard transponders, with AWACS aircraft. They say you can't hide...
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Nov 25, 2018 18:12:57   #
speters wrote:
If they are just for your own personal use, then there are no legal restrictons, but as soon as you think about using them in any other way, you can not use them anymore without a release!

Actually you can probably sell such photographs to just about anyone, exactly the same as any other picture. That changes for "commercial" use.
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Nov 25, 2018 17:55:33   #
Tom Daniels wrote:
... Inow live in FL for 2 years and didnt know you can't shoot pix of other peoples children in Miami.
2 FL residents pointed that out. Thank You. ...

That claim has been debunked several times on UHH, and never seems to show up anywhere else.

No such law has yet been found.
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Nov 25, 2018 16:29:20   #
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
I don't live in the US. I don't live under your constitution. Sigh.

But you are engaging in a discussion that clearly is about US law, and we can assume you meant what applies if you come to the US. Otherwise you should have stated that you were changing the subject, as we all know there are hundreds of different jurisdictions.

However, despite all that, even though I cannot cite specific legal basis for law in the UK I am willing to bet that in this case it is virtually identical to US law. Show us specifics if you wish to claim otherwise (because what you have stated does not make any sense in context, which is to say the UK is not a moslem country).

(Edit: A seach of photography law in the UK verifies you are absolutely wrong. Granted that UK law has some quirks that can be misunderstood though.)
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Nov 25, 2018 15:07:24   #
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
I say that if someone doesn't want me taking their photo, I won't take their photo. How is this me lacking respect? ...

Wonderful, because that shows no disrespect

But you claimed nobody has a right to take your picture and post it online. That is, according the US Supreme Court, a constitutionally protected right. Your statement is ultimately disrespectful and very self centered.
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Nov 25, 2018 14:49:20   #
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
I should have unfollowed. As well as whatever laws which may or may not apply, I'm taking about decency. Your above statement shows none. Frankly, it comes across as nasty. Again, it's not always an issue of law, show some respect.

Yes respect is very important. You should continue to follow this thread and others on the same topic.

You are the one lacking respect. The public, over time and though application of law, determines the general direction of how we as a people view morality and a general concept of respect for others.

You seem to be extremely self centered. And in that respect lacking in appropriate respect for the rights of others in contrast to what you see as your own personal priviledges.
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Nov 25, 2018 14:21:40   #
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
Ok, you have no right to take my photo and post it online. I might be ...

You might be a lot of things, but I have every right to photograph you or anyone from a public place if you are in plain view and have no right to privacy.

If you are, for example, standing in your driveway I can photograph you from a sidewalk 5 feet away or 500 yards away.

Those photographs can normally be posted to any non-commercial media.

You have no right to privacy if standing where you are visible from public property.
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Nov 25, 2018 14:03:57   #
jaycoffman wrote:
... Legal rights are created by society to apply to as many situations as possible and facilitate social interaction. They can not and do not cover all situations and are general by necessity. ...

That is true of statutory law, but only because it is impossible to foresee all possible circumstance. And that is why we have courts.

Any conflict that arrises is adjudicated by the court, the perceived vagueness is removed by ensueing case law.

Any statutory law that is originally too general will necessarilly evolve to being very specific.
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Nov 25, 2018 13:44:16   #
amfoto1 wrote:
... I'd also challenge you to try your theory at a US mint, or a military base, or a nuclear facility, or an airport. Try taking photos at Area 51!

All "public property"... but all restrict photography (and even public access). ...

These, as well as all of the following examples, are false representations.

None of those are "public property" in the sense that the public is allowed free access such as is true of every sidewalk next to a public roadway. All of them will be clearly marked where public access ceases. And every single one of those places can be photographed from any public place.

I have, for decades, freely photographed dozens of militsry bases and airports. Also at least two nuclear plants. All with no trouble at all.
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Nov 25, 2018 13:27:43   #
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
What about the right to be able to sit in a park and not be photographed? ...

That is an abzurd statement because there is no such right. Nor even perceived priviledge.

If you don't want to be photographed to not frequent public places. Build suitable walls between public areas and your private property. Visit only places that are private and provide for you privacy.

It is not the photographer's responsibility to provide for your comfort.
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