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Dec 30, 2017 00:23:03   #
Rongnongno wrote:
Thank you for trying to insult me. It just does not work.



Proverbs 26:12 (NASB)
12 Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Am I trying to insult you? To which do you consider yourself to be, the one who is wise in his own eyes and can not be taught or the fool who knows no better?

By what you say it sounds as if you want to take religion out of religion but call yourself a Christian. Do you not know that Christianity is just one of the three major religions of the world with Christianity at the top with over 2.1 billion followers and here you are wanting to change how we are to worship God, reduce Jesus to a mere man and set the Holy Spirit aside as just a messenger? Not to mention doing away with the Bible. Do you really think that you can change the mind of God?

However, you are correct that you can not be insulted. A man wise in his own eyes is to puffed up with himself to care and a fool wouldn't know the difference.
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Dec 29, 2017 20:39:22   #
alabamaboy wrote:
I have followed this post from the beginning and not only this post but several others concerning similar topics on the bible, God, etc. posted by this person. I know you mean well but it is fruitless to let this person lead you into an endless circle of answering his questions. He no more wants the truth than the devil wants to be saved. He is full of himself. A god unto himself if you will. Take my advice and do not feed his insatiable quest to confuse, confound and if possible sway you from the truths held dear by every true Christian. His posts have nothing to do with this group. Just read sinatraman's, founder of this group, description of why this group was started and you will see what I mean. This person is what we call a troll. Engage him and you only feed his ostentatious and devious ego. Ignore him and he will fade away when with him we do not play.
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I understand what you are saying and I agree with you whole heartedly but when lies are being said, the truth must follow. Someone else might just read his post and be swayed in his error.

Proverbs 26:12 (NASB)
12 Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
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Dec 29, 2017 19:45:30   #
Rongnongno wrote:
I not only heard of i, I believed it until I paid attention to what was said.

If you go onto the interpretation that god is every where, the holy spirit does become god but so does a stone or anything else for that matter. The thing is a stone does nothing, the holy spirit on the other has a specific role, that of a messenger for god. I did not find a reference that announce it as part of god yet every time it is mentioned it is as a messenger so...

It becomes a matter of faith and for me honoring the holy spirit as part of god is not part of my faith. I do not pray to it. Neither do you unless you recite the lord prayers which I have doubts about its origin and translation when it comes to the mention the holy spirit.

Note that this engages only me. I am not trying to convince anyone but I share my serious misgiving when it comes to the definition of the holy spirit as god.
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Since when does a 'STONE' need salvation? The Holy Spirit is of God and is God just as Jesus is God. To dishonor the Holy Spirit is to dishonor God and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which is the Spirit of God so named because God is holy, such blasphemy will not be forgiven. Do you not know that your body is the temple of God which dwells the Holy Spirit of God?

The Bible does teach that God is everywhere (Omnipresence) but it does not say that God is IN everything. God is not in a stone, a tree nor a bee. God is outside of His creation. He can not and is not a part of His creation. To say that God is a part of His creation is to say that God created Himself. Not true.

Trying doing some research instead of depending on your own faulty knowledge of matters that you apparently know nothing about. Study your Bible if you have one and seek the knowledge of the Holy Spirit in your quest to know the Godhead. You just might find Jesus along the way.

The Bible says that whoever believes on Jesus will not be disappointed. You can not work for salvation - grace comes by believing in the one who died on the cross, who imputes His righteousness upon you - having died, was buried and resurrected so that we may be the redeemed of God and have eternal life with Jesus. And that alone is all it takes to be saved.

Who is the Holy Spirit? http://www.gci.org/God/deityHS
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Dec 28, 2017 03:19:05   #
dmc wrote:
I looked on Amazon and saw where they have it available in NLT, NKJV, and the ESV but not NASB. Of course any version is better than none !!

And by the way...I'm not too far behind you, I'll be 160 in 2110.


I could go with the New King James Version... Thanks. I will have to look into it, maybe from Lifeway Online Book Store.
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Dec 27, 2017 00:58:34   #
dmc wrote:
I would like to challenge everyone to read through the Bible in 2108. The "One Year Bible", in my opinion, is an excellent way to discipline yourself to completely read the Bible in a year.

Hope you all have a blessed New Year,
Don

James 4:8

And just as a disclaimer, I am in no way affiliated with the publisher of this book (or any other for that matter !!).


In the year 2108 I will be 160 years old but if I am still around by then I will give it a try. Maybe next year in 2018 I can do it. Are there any "One Year Bible" other than the NIV? I like the NASB myself.
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Dec 23, 2017 17:49:24   #
Rongnongno wrote:
Read what I typed will you.

You are lost in your train of thought and do not pay attention. Read the 'joke in a bar'. Read about how the bible comes out.... Read about what it is to witness in personal level. Read other folks answer. Read the power within their words.

And yes, as I said it would as tumbling block, jesus was a street preacher. He did not have a church, he had nothing. He spoke in open spaces as a street preacher does. His follower grew and went with him... As a itinerant street preacher.

Being a street preacher does not demean, jesus, what he did or who he was, quite the contrary. Just think about it, about the power surrounding him and in him.

Then again, wh**ever I will say you will oppose because you seem to have forgotten jesus was a man, came as a man, died as a man and resurrected as the announced son of god, proving to anyone who doubted that he was who he said he was: the redeemer, the savior, life.
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Time to put you on the ignore list...
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Dec 23, 2017 16:13:49   #
Rongnongno wrote:
You are confused here and it shows.

Folks believes jesus because he is god. Folks do not believe IN or ON, they just believe. Jesus at the time was a big nobody, just another street preacher. I know I am shocking you here.

They came to believe in what he said because he lived what he said and gave proof of who he was. All this came to naught when he was k**led on the cross. From a 'great orator' he became a convict then a dead guy. Those who saw and understood more felt betrayed, other did not understand what had happened. How can the son of god, the savior, be k**led????

Then jesus, now christ, resurrected proving his kinship with god, as his son, as god himself.

No we do not believe in jesus. We believe jesus. We believe christ is the son of god because he proved it to us. We believe he is the way, the only way, to life he showed it to us by resurrecting. We do not believe IN him. We believe him, there is a big difference. We believe god promises. We do not believe IN them.

There is a world of difference there.
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Jesus was God who came to us in the flesh to redeem us from sin and death. He was not a big nobody, nor just a street preacher - He was the Son of God, a Prophet, a King and a Priest, the long expected Messiah of Israel who took the sins of the world upon Himself to die in our place as a sacrifice once for all. He died without sin having fulfilled the Law so that by His resurrection we can with Him have eternal life. God loved us so much that even while we were still sinners, God gave His Son to redeem us so that we can be with Him, freed from sin, alive in Him. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Devil believed Jesus and trembled. There is a difference in believing about someone and believing on someone. You believe on the Name of Jesus Christ because in Him you know there is salvation.

Tell me something... how do you present the Gospel to someone without quoting the Bible? Not that you must have a bible in your hand but by word of mouth... how do you tell someone about Jesus to bring that person to a knowledge about salvation in and through Jesus without reference to the Bible? Every thing you know about Jesus is from the Bible so, how do you do that?
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Dec 23, 2017 01:22:09   #
Rongnongno wrote:
No. I try to show that when speaking about god our personal experience and testimony has much more power than citing the scripture.

The bible IS important as a living book. On the other hand using the bible to argue about anything is worthless. The bible is a gift in the end of a testimony. Too many times folks argue wh**ever using the bible with folks who do not give a hoot about it because they cannot understand what wealth is hidden in there.

You very argumentation using it shows your weakness in arguing god changes lives.

You need to do this, testify. You need to claim your faith. Hiding behind the bible is what folks look for because they know everything will devolve into a rather i***tic argumentation on your side as soon as they push a little. You have faith and then you raise the bible with 'retro satanas!!!' This makes everyone laugh. Speak of god as a living entity, as a source of life and as a source of change. When asked for more then you can start to rely on the bible, not as a source of quotes but as a source of inspiration. Let the bible speak by itself. Do not speak for it, do not hide behind it.

You see I am not dismissing the bible at all. I dismiss the way most use it. Flinging it in peoples face is just wrong.

In one testimony one made an apology for not knowing more of the bible content. Why is that? Why is a christian feeling inferior? It makes no sense. Yet this is perpetuated when you go 'Romain 10:10' on me (the equivalent of 'going postal' for a christian).

Your answer not only shows your weakness when you try to communicate but you also demonstrate your fear or reaction when you say your are christian or when you ask if one is christian. Why the fear? Do you not trust christ to protect you?

It is not about what you do or how you do it. It is about who you are. If you are afraid of it... Then maybe you need to ask for what you need so that your fear stops. Ask christ to show you how to get the strength you need by praying first then open the bible randomly and read with your heart, not your mind. You will be surprised by what it will tell you.
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Thanks from all that straw that you used to try an dispute me but you do not know me. I study the Bible to know God and to teach others about the scriptures so that they can be better disciples for Christ. If you don't study the scriptures then you are like a blind man trying to lead the blind. You don't study the Bible as a source of inspiration but to know the will of God.

You say that we should not argue the Bible but here you are, arguing over the Bible, going postal on me by saying that I am afraid and I hide behind the Bible. So tell me... do you know the Bible? Can you quote verses and have an understanding of what those verses mean? Do you live your life by the very word of God. Do you, as the Bible tells us to do, study to show yourself approved?

Do you know that the New Testament is based on the Old Testament and that the apostles quoted the Old Testament extensively, as did Jesus? It is you who should not be afraid to quote the Bible. Meditate upon the scripture so that you can walk the Christian life and be Christ like before others. Join a Bible study group so that you can grow in the Word of God.

God Bless,
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Dec 23, 2017 00:52:34   #
Rongnongno wrote:
That is why you/we need the bible for inspiration, not as a source of 'quotes'. Christ never used the bible to preach or anything else for that matter. What he presented was himself, not the bible. Is not this the why he confounded the 'intellectuals of the time that were well versed in the scriptures'? He reached out by being himself, the son of god.

Folks converted because they believed HIM, not in the priests citing the scriptures. We have the same problem today.


Jesus quoted the Bible, the Old Testament very often. He not only quoted the Old Testament but also lived it and fulfilled all that was said about Him. All of Jesus Sermons came from the Old Testament. You also should study the Bible. How else can you go and make disciples if you don't. How else can you lead others to Christ Jesus if you don't know the Bible? You have the wrong idea of what a Christian is or should be.

Study your Bible and learn to quote those verses. Tell others about Jesus, how He died on the Cross for our sins so that we can have eternal life with Him.

People don't believe Jesus... we believe ON Jesus...
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Dec 22, 2017 18:50:56   #
Rongnongno wrote:
And this shows another person incapable of expressing his/her faith w/o resorting to the bible.

The bible is a good source of information for a christian but one needs to learn to NOT use it when conversing.

This is similar to two persons in bar giving number and burst laughing. Each number corresponds to a joke they know so they understand. Everyone else is left out.

This is what you do.

Building walls around your faith is ridiculous, get out of that.


It seems that you want to separate the Bible and the cross from Christianity... you can not do that. The Bible is the foundation to our faith in Christ. Without the Word of God we would not know God nor His plan of Salvation. Without the Cross, there would be no Christianity. What makes a true Christian? The Word of God and the Cross. What kind of Christian would we be without either?

It is not works that makes one a Christian. It is not your own righteousness that saves you. You don't want to hear Bible verses quoted or have anything to do with the Cross... so, what kind of Christian are you?

As I had said before... there are plenty of atheist who work harder and do just as much good for mankind as does a Christian. In fact, you would not know the difference unless you had ask, "Are you a Christian?" and most likely the come back would be a "Hell no! I am not one of those Christian nut cases!" It is not what you do outwardly that makes one a Christian but who you are inwardly, a believer from the heart.

Without the Word of God you can not be saved... without the cross you can not be saved.

Romans 10:9-10 says that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For if Christ not be raised from the dead then our faith is in vain.
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Dec 21, 2017 20:33:20   #
Rongnongno wrote:
Meaning, how do you live your faith within your community. Community is not within your church but within your life as a whole.

Are you a leader? A witness? An activist? A Pillar? A follower? A worshiper? ???? Name it, you know who/what you are.

To answer my own question, I have no clue. I just do what I am being told. Sometime I am a witness, an enabler, a trouble shooter and other times I just 'do stuff'. I stay in the shadows until recently. What I know is that I am not is a 'leader'. I have no concept of leadership that leaves total freedom for other to choose. If anything I am a breaker.

I hope I will not get generic answers under the form of bible verses as it seems that some can only consult their bible to answer anything.
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I teach an adult Bible class on Sunday mornings (a.k.a. Sunday School Class). My goal is to make disciples out of believers. A Christian does not/can not live his life apart from God and the teachings of the bible so your question makes no sense. We live our faith in God. How we live our lives in the community is no different then that of an atheist except that we are saved by our faith in God through Jesus Christ.

"What type of Christian are you?" there is but one kind of Christian - saved by the grace of God.

What exactly are you asking?
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Dec 21, 2017 19:49:00   #
Rongnongno wrote:
Ok, it seems I did not ask the right question because I am starting to feel I just get a 'mantra'...


You had ask for someone's basic belief... what is it that you truly want to know?
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Dec 21, 2017 19:27:41   #
Rongnongno wrote:
I am asking what makes a good christian. The question is simple.

Using the bible to answer it is not an answer as it does not take into account personal life and experience.

Have you ever met a 'prefect christian'? outwardly I mean. Neither of us know what is in anyone's heart.


There is no such thing as a "prefect Christian". We are all sinners saved by grace. An atheist can live a life just as righteous as any Christian but still be 'lost' in his sin. We can only be saved by the grace of God by believing that He gave His Son, Jesus Christ as our substitute on the cross. A better question would be, what does it mean to believe to be saved as a Christian? To desire to live ones life according to the will of God... to love God with all your heart, soul and might.... to love your neighbor as you would love yourself. A Christian does not live by his own righteousness but by the imputed righteousness of Jesus,, but this does not give us a licenses to sin.

Each believers life experience is different from each other. Some face hardships easy while others find life as a Christian hard. We all must face our problems in life with faith in God, as we all face problems that are common to man. It is the hardships in life that makes us grow in our faith in God, some to the point of death knowing that our reward awaits us.

So, we are not to judge 'who is a Christian but ask ourselves, am I truly a Christian or am I just fooling myself? This is the question you must answer for yourself. A true Christian will know what makes a Christian.
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Dec 11, 2017 17:06:24   #
rpavich wrote:
Ok..thanks for dumbing it down for me, now let's discuss it.

Tell me why you turned it backwards. Tell me what, from the text itself, caused you to do that. Don't link videos...I'm not interested.


Beginning with verse 4 through verse 41, Paul and Barnabas has gone into a synagogue and was ask to speak to the congregation, to both Jewish and gentile proselytes. Paul shared the gospel beginning with the Israelites being taken from Egypt to Jesus being crucified on the cross, proving from scripture that Jesus was the Messiah and that God had raised Him from the dead.

A key verse; Acts 13:38-39 (ESV)
38 Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,
39 and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.

Another Key Verse; Acts 13:42-43 (ESV)
42 As they went out, the people begged that these things might be told them the next Sabbath.
43 And after the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who, as they spoke with them, urged them to continue in the grace of God.

These are people, both Jew and gentile converts who had heard Paul's message about Jesus Christ and believed. They wanted to hear more and begged Paul and Barnabas to return on the next Sabbath. Even after the meeting was over some Jews and gentiles followed Paul and Barnabas, encouraging them to continue in the grace of God.

By the next Sabbath most of the city had come to hear what Paul had to say. Those who had heard the message of Paul from the past Sabbath must have spread the word for so many to come. But not all Jews liked what Paul had preached, seeing the crowd they became envious and contradicted Paul. They wanted to hold onto their beliefs in the Laws of Moses So, they rejected Paul's message;

Acts 13:46 (ESV)
46 And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.

It was the Jews who had deem themselves 'unworthy of eternal life'. They heard the message of salvation and rejected it. So, Paul now turns to the gentiles;

Acts 13:47 (ESV)
47 For so the Lord has commanded us, saying, "'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.'"

When the gentiles heard this they rejoiced! Why? Because God included them also in His plan of salvation. They no longer had to become Jewish converts because Christ had died for them as well. They rejoiced over the word of the Lord and, were the Jews had rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ, the gentiles receive the gospel with welcoming hearts. They believed with the heart...

Acts 13:48 (ESV) 48 and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Their hearts were made ready to receive God's gift of eternal life because of the message they had heard and they believed. Their hearts were SET to believe, or DISPOSED or put in ORDER to believe. What does Paul say elsewhere in scripture?

Romans 10:8-12 (ESV)
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.

Before the foundation of the world God had ordained that the Word be preached and that who ever hears and believes will be saved. This then is the will of God, that whosoever shall believe, should not perish but have eternal life. When we place our trust and our hope in God through Jesus Christ, God will accept our faith and deem us righteous in the blood of Christ as our sacrificial Lamb.

So, why did I place 'believed' before 'appointed to eternal life'? Because one must hear the message to believe and must believe before they can receive eternal life...

Romans 10:14-15 (ESV)
14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!"
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Dec 9, 2017 16:24:25   #
rpavich wrote:
I know what the semantic range of tasso is...but that's not how exegesis is done. You don't get to just list the semantic range and pick what you like. If you want to pick one of it's meanings, then go ahead and defend that particular meaning in context.

I won't comment other than to say that. I'll wait until you can actually address the text with accuracy.



I only tried to make it simple so that you could understand it's true meaning, but like the Jews of Acts 13, you reject the truth.

Watch, please, to the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgN004Uv6Qk
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