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Feb 25, 2023 09:27:19   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
You run the refurb department with pre-printed checklists of visual inspection points and the necessary physical re-packaging materials. Now you just need a low-cost team to execute the checklist procedures focused on physically handling the equipment to the bare minimum, just repackaging and quickly adding into the 'refurb' inventory stock. Now, you recover some of the costs of this extra staff when reselling virtually new equipment at a lower cost (and lower profit margin).

BTW: nice dance around all the specifics of how you'd obtain your "thorough" testing equipment for the entire Nikon inventory and the staff needed to test all the returned "refurbed" equipment. Guess your acumen on how to operate this function isn't really there? Just vague assumptions of how it should be ...
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So do you have some specific knowledge about how NikonUSA is structured or are you just putting forth your version of "vague assumptions"? I have worked in various manufacturing business models from Coke bottling to light and heavy construction (Texas refinery) to food manufacturing as an accountant dealing with physical plant costs. Nikon has been at this over 100 years. Their employees are highly trained. They are not farming this stuff out to slave labor.
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Feb 25, 2023 09:01:29   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
No. No rational company is going to spend the money, the time, and retain the human resources to test equipment -- that was built to spec to last years -- and then sell this value-added (retested) equipment at a lower cost than new.

Let's test your theory and your business acumen. Let's just say on Monday I send you the following customer returns:

3 x D750
4 x D5500
2 x Z DX NIKKOR 18-140mm f/3.5-6.3 VR
1 x AF-S NIKKOR 500mm F/5.6E Pf ED VR

How long will it take you, an individual, to do your "thorough" testing? A day? A week? A month? Forever? Do you even have all the equipment onsite to perform your imaginary "thorough" testing? Beyond the equipment, do you have the procedures? If you're this level of 1-man all-equipment expert, how much are you paid? Can you do all this work at a cost lower than selling the same equipment new?

Take your big brain and equipment and divide over multiple employees, how big is your staff? Are they full-time, just waiting for an unknown quantity of equipment, in unknown model distributions, at unknown times? Is your small army of staff now the same size or bigger than the automated manufacturing at the original overseas plant?
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Paul, every department has a budget with projections for revenue and costs. They know what this stuff costs to do. They make or break it on the aggregate and not the separate discrete item like a DX lens. Reputation and customer service go hand in hand. If the cost running a re-furb program made no economic sense, there would not be such a program. And all this equipment would end up in a shredder for recycling. Besides they have the infrastructure to support refurb already in place - their repair and maintenance program.
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Feb 25, 2023 08:51:26   #
larryepage wrote:
If believing this makes you feel better, please feel free to go ahead. I love my Nikon stuff and believe that NikonUSA is a reasonably decent company. But for some reason, a whole set of myths about how things work just won't go away.

First...everyone always just glows about how their stuff comes back from Nikon all cleaned up with new grips. And this is generally true. But it is not just from the goodness of their heart. Opening a camera requires removing every grip pad on it, because the assembly screws are hidden under them. Once removed, they cannot be replaced. New ones are required. That's one reason that contributes to regular repair costs.

Second...repaired items are repackaged by relatively unskilled workers into white boxes (or in the lens i bought on clearance, a dust bag and bubble wrap). They are not gone over by the trained technicians. That is one reason the warranty is 90 days instead of one year.

The result of buying refurbished is usually just fine. Sometimes it is not, as in my experience above. But folks here need to stop promulgating the lie that these refurbished products are "better than new." Some companies used to sell products like that. NikonUSA does not.
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I never said they were better than new. I have owned refurb'ed myself. By your narrative, they should rename it the "Nikon Re'Turd Program. Get real.
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Feb 25, 2023 08:30:30   #
billnikon wrote:
That's what I said.


With all due respect, no rational company is going to send equipment back out the door that hasn't been put on the lift and given a good inspection and fixed where required. To do so would be risking their reputation and brand by carelessly putting back out gear that has not been vetted.
If they did so, the overall reputation of the Nikon Refurb'ed Program would be on par with "Abes of Maine". You know? A dumpster fire.
When I sent my D850 recently to replace the LCD screen which it cost me about $350 to $375 out of warranty, I did not select a cleaning or calibration but they included it anyway when i read the final work order plus cleaning the view finder. The regular cleaning charge is not far South of that anyway.
And I got it back less than 2 weeks later. I understand how jaded some people can get, but that is great customer service and points to the skill and efficiency of their techs.
And that's why I am a die-hard Nikon user on my 7th DSLR body since 2008. I still own 4 of them and gifted the other 3 to family.
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Feb 25, 2023 07:14:39   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Consider the various UHH brag stories, such as:

a, I bought two, returned the one I didn't like ...

b, I tried it out, decided I didn't like the weight ...

c, I used it for a week, then my wife found out and I had to send it back ...

Each of these scenarios would generate a re-boxed "refurb", an almost (essentially) new item of camera equipment. The warranty is limited, but the price is lower too. A great deal overall, with no more risk that paying more for actually 'new'.
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Paul is correct as to the possible origin of most refurb'ed items. Except I would add to that display samples from dealers. Nikon does not permit selling samples as new. I bought the last unopened discontinued D600 from my local Best Buy a few years ago. The salesman then removed the floor sample and said it was going back to Nikon. Buying directly from Nikon would be my preferred source as it gets a through going-over by the company-trained techs before being reboxed in a grey box instead of the original gold box. You will take a hit on the duration of the factory warranty to something like 90 days for cameras but the cost savings off the original MSRP is the trade-off.
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Feb 21, 2023 05:43:29   #
Here is a fresh try at a Milky Way shot at Schoodic Peninsula last spring. Just before the blue-hour and the stars would start to vanish. The original was taken with a D850 and an 11mm Irix lens. 3200 ISO and for about 20 to 25 seconds. There was noticeable noise on the shoreline rocks in the foreground. I just ran it through Topaz Denoise.
I think it made a good improvement, with the only caveat being the smudging of the stars and cloud bands close to the horizon.


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Feb 21, 2023 04:44:13   #
dpullum wrote:
Go to https://www.compeve.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3548
Spects show 24 Gig of Ram... not 96.. how would you put it in 4 slots. This machine is running mud slow... something is wrong... there are troubleshooting guides one possible thing is ram is set up very slow or is not working. Graphics Card?

Your box is excellent so when you upgrade perhaps change the MOBO and CPU and put in fast memory. The case is a forever case, lots of room for expansion.


You do make some good points and I appreciate that.

This machine though was intended to be a high-end CAD machine and it is for the most part proprietory and is not really open-source with regards to the mobo and maybe limited CPU upgrades. Intel I9s are not an option.
It is running 2 six-core Xeon processors at 3.33 mghz (not over-clocked). The 2nd CPU is on an optional modular riser which slides in and is locked down. There are 6 DIMM slots on the MOBO and an additional 6 on the riser.
Specifications are DDR3 memory at 1066 MHz or 1333 MHz. The BIOS is seeing all 96.

Supported memory module capacities can range from 1 GB, 2 GB, 4 GB, 8 GB, and 16GB with a maximum memory of 96 GB on the motherboard alone and 192 GB with the optional riser installed.
This machine came from the refurb'er with 12 sticks of 8GB for the 96 and they all are running. It came from the trading floor of an investment bank.

And like I said, I have a 2gig graphics card. It will support a card of up to 6gig. But the market at this time is disrupted by bit-coin mining demand. On NewEgg all they have for cards are from companies I have never heard of before - Saplos, Yeston and Inno. Probably low-level Chinese junk. No Invidia or Gigabyte or PNY.
Dell's highest spec card for this machine in their archived specs is an NVIDIA Tesla C2075 at 6GB.
It can be had for $300 on Amazon new (supposedly). Not bad even considering that is half of what I paid for this machine. Have to explore that further now that I have Topaz.

New I would not be surprised to see an original MSRP above $10K on this Dell. When I worked for a local construction and engineering firm here in Maine back in 2010, they were running these Precision machines in the engineering shack on the project site for their CAD.

But all things considered, I am getting significant bang-for-my-buck for the meager resources spent on this hardware. If the CPU crashes, I can source a matched pair of identical processors on Ebay for around $70. These are server-grade processors. Apple used them in the Mac Pro.

But when I have to retire it, I will probably have an I9-based custom build made to replace it.
Thanks for your insight.
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Feb 20, 2023 14:08:48   #
srg wrote:
I recently tried to "save" a snapshot of a group of elderly folks using the Topaz AI. The copy I got thru email was quite pixelated, but you could make out who each individual was. After processing, I noticed that some of the older individuals looked about 40 years younger and slightly different in facial features.

A time machine as well?
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Feb 20, 2023 12:19:42   #
JeffDavidson wrote:
Generally speaking, the order of application is:
DeNoise
Sharpen
Gigapixel

That way you don't "Sharpen" the noise.

If you are using the Photo AI, don't worry about it.


Thanks for that heads-up.
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Feb 20, 2023 09:56:48   #
TriX wrote:
Nice machine. If you’re going to run Topaz products a lot, let me suggest a faster GPU with at least 6GB (and preferably more) DRAM - that’s where all the processing goes on. It’ll make a BIG difference in processing speed.


A gpu upgrade is on my X-mas wish list but with Bit-coin miners and flippers hoarding supplies, not spending a small fortune on a new one is a remote possibility at this time. The market is flooded with used ones coming from decommissioned Farms but they have had the snot kicked out of them from 24/7 mining operations.
Just waiting for supply and demand to come into some sense of normalcy.
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Feb 20, 2023 09:22:43   #
Hereford wrote:
I think the first photo is the best. The other three photos are not very helpful because you did not indicate which photo received which Topaz treatment. When you upload, store, and save a photo to UHH, you have the option to place a title at the top of the photo. You can use that to number the photos and annotate what was done to the photo reference the original. I'm assuming the first photo is the original. If you had done that your post would be more useful to the UHH audience.

I was hoping the narrative would show that. Next time I will use those title blocks.
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Feb 20, 2023 09:09:17   #
dpullum wrote:
ScottWardwell "Dell dual-Xeon machine with 96 gig of ram"... 96!!! Please elucidate and educate me. Astonishingly huge ram... why? 32 is typically hi. At most there are 4 slots for ram, so 24 per slot, that is odd? How? Please give some details on your Dell dual-Xeon. Modern machines with probably 4 gig on board the graphics should be fast.

The monies are for a two-year subscription for updates. I too subscribed and being tight on money, it was a well-churned decision but considered it a worthwhile investment.

My example of how AI-ish Topaz AI is exemplified by bringing to life a cropped JPEG from a Kodak 4800 3.1 [if full-image and raw] mpx 2001 image. After AI denoise and AI sharpening with Topaz AI, Gigapixel allowed printing a huge image that had detail, not in the original. "If you had a good image it would have looked this way based on our millions of images." is what the AI program thought... Amazing!!!
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Just like the Kodak 4800, I have good stuff from my early years from a 3mpxl D995. Until now, it is just not scalable and relegated to a B-list. Maybe with Topaz, that will change.
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Feb 20, 2023 08:33:31   #
dpullum wrote:
ScottWardwell "Dell dual-Xeon machine with 96 gig of ram"... 96!!! Please elucidate and educate me. Astonishingly huge ram... why? 32 is typically hi. At most there are 4 slots for ram, so 24 per slot, that is odd? How? Please give some details on your Dell dual-Xeon. Modern machines with probably 4 gig on board the graphics should be fast.

The monies are for a two-year subscription for updates. I too subscribed and being tight on money, it was a well-churned decision but considered it a worthwhile investment.

My example of how AI-ish Topaz AI is exemplified by bringing to life a cropped JPEG from a Kodak 4800 3.1 [if full-image and raw] mpx 2001 image. After AI denoise and AI sharpening with Topaz AI, Gigapixel allowed printing a huge image that had detail, not in the original. "If you had a good image it would have looked this way based on our millions of images." is what the AI program thought... Amazing!!!
ScottWardwell "Dell dual-Xeon machine with 96... (show quote)


Well my machine is an off-lease Dell Precision T-7500 I bought from an ebay refurb'er for about $600 with shipping. Dual 3.2mghz Xeon processors running 8 cores. It was from a investment brokerage house and had cards and cables for four monitors. 96 gig of ram on-board. I swapped the cards out with a 2 gig Gigabyte dual fan gpu that came from a guy I knew who got out of the bit-coin mining and he parted out his machine. $100.
Installed 4 internal Samsung SSDs. Four full-size external drive slots on the front. Scads of USB connectivity everywhere. I run 3 drive enclosures raided. Plus a hand-ful of external ssd drives. Lots of backup.
As I migrate from one machine to another, I bring along as much of the previous gear that still works.
Maybe hitting a wall in the next couple years as my system will not play with Win 11. So just running out the clock. I essentially find a cheap upgrade to match the progression from my D70s in 2008 to my D850 two years ago. Also I am running more software in conjunction with Photoshop. And now it looks I am adding Topaz AI to the mix. I did a Sharpen AI on something last night. Took 35 minutes to complete the save.
So better to have the horsepower and not need it than to need the horsepower and not have it.
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Feb 19, 2023 10:13:28   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Yes, go back to the original RAW and start over. Look at running the applicable AI model against the RAW, creating a DNG with those edit instructions you then bring into LR or PS and finish. This is February 2023 after all.


Good idea about the DNG. Thanks, Paul.
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Feb 19, 2023 09:55:26   #
JayRay wrote:
Great capture Scott!


Thank you Jay.
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