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Aug 11, 2020 08:51:25   #
markjay wrote:
You are right - everyone has their own taste. I find these pictures you posted just a cute sketch. The photo under discussion here makes everyone think and look at that photo and discuss it. Thats what good art does.

The great American painter (maybe the greatest living painter) Jasper Johns became famous with his paintings of just plain American flags. But they were painted with such intensity that they made everyone intensely look at them. His idea was to make everyone look at something intensely - that everyone knew and would never look closely at because everyone knew the image so well. That makes a great work of art. It makes you look and think. That photo that started this discussion does that.

Here is a Johns flag. Hard to really appreciate it in a photo, but the painting is mesmerizing. If you see one of these flag paintings in real life, you cant take your eyes off it.

https://www.dw.com/en/the-works-of-us-painter-jasper-johns/g-53453933
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The flag doesn't do anything for me as far as art, but then again I like this type of art.


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Aug 11, 2020 07:02:25   #
Wallen wrote:
I respect your belief but to each his own. As they say one mans trash is another mans treasure and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
We just have to accept each others taste in art because try as i may, i can not accept that he does a good job when without my best efforts i can accomplish these.
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I love the first image (they are both excellent). The first image accentuates the eyes and draws you right into the portrait, a fine work of art. If you don't mind me asking, what software did you use to do it (I am not asking how you did it just the software).
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Aug 10, 2020 17:32:49   #
burkphoto wrote:
You get those three and both Lightrooms for the same $10/month...

LR is a developer, editor, database, hub. Bridge is a file manager. Photoshop is a bitmap editor. ACR is in all four of the others as the raw developer.

Six of one, half dozen of the other...


I was pulling your chain. 😁 πŸ˜†πŸ˜ πŸ˜†
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Aug 10, 2020 16:47:37   #
burkphoto wrote:
Without buying extra software, for the smoothest possible tonality when editing JPEG color/brightness:

Either edit in Adobe Lightroom, which internally uses a 16-bit ProPhoto RGB-like workflow, then export to 8-bit JPEG in sRGB.

OR

Convert 8-bit sRGB JPEG to 16-bit TIFF in ProPhoto RGB.

Adjust the image as best you can, saving as needed.

Finally, convert the edited 16-bit TIFF back to 8-bit sRGB JPEG and export or save.

I just use Lightroom, which NEVER over-saves my original files. You can make all the edits you want, and export only a second generation JPEG.

The back-and-forth conversion helps to avoid stair-stepping and out-of-bounds color clipping. It is subtly better (you are NOT adding back anything thrown away at the camera, just being gentler to what you have). Results may or may not be worth the hassle, depending upon the subject matter.
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Lightroom is for weenies, real men use Bridge, ACR and Photoshop CC.
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Aug 10, 2020 16:08:07   #
oldmainer47 wrote:
Perhaps I am not being clear. This is not about what is art and what is not art. It is about subjective like or dislike of a piece of art. I don't care for the picture. That is personal taste. Are we clear now?


Quite so.
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Aug 10, 2020 15:44:30   #
Poppajohn wrote:
Thanks - Check out TOPAZ JPG to RAW AI my question was relating to this APP


You are right what Topaz has done is AI trickery (the other statements are also true "basically"). What Topaz has done is take the compressed information and widened it then use artificial intelligence to fill in some gaps like widen the luminosity, shadow, tone based on prior history in its engine, but it is trickery and would not come out with all the same information had the original JPEG been shot in RAW. I have the product but rarely use it as I can do just as good a job in Photoshop CC or some of my other editors.
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Aug 10, 2020 15:33:40   #
Gene51 wrote:
I stay in manual mode, and I do review the exposure after the fact. I use DSLRs and a bridge camera (a lot like a mirrorless camera). I can't really check the image, histogram or highlight clipping ahead of time with my current DSLR gear. But it is easy enough to check ahead with the Sony. Autoexposure modes are pretty useless in these situations. These are some examples taken with a Sony RX10M4 hand-held at night. ISO ranged from 100 to 800 - well within the capability of the camera for good clean images. I've shot it as high as 3200 and was satisfied.

https://live.staticflickr.com/822/26097752007_e738dbca48_k.jpg_DSC2151-DSC-RX10M4--(19-02-18) hi res by Gene Lugo, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/4794/26097752107_3a97d64a0e_k.jpg_DSC2148-DSC-RX10M4--(19-02-18) hi res by Gene Lugo, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/812/39160278180_d9b5b4673a_k.jpg_DSC2155-DSC-RX10M4--(19-02-18) hi res by Gene Lugo, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/811/26097752397_156e43b650_k.jpg_DSC2145-DSC-RX10M4--(19-02-18) hi res by Gene Lugo, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/797/26097751937_06c119776d_k.jpg_DSC2153-DSC-RX10M4--(19-02-18) hi res by Gene Lugo, on Flickr
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Would you say a hand held light meter like the sekonic 358 light meter would be of assistance when shooting low light or night shot in manual mode. That way you could fiddle around with aperture, shutter and ISO settings before actually using the camera. I used to use my Sekonic that way.
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Aug 9, 2020 20:46:33   #
oldmainer47 wrote:
A statement based on what facts? I don't care for this photograph. This is no Picasso. Don't jump to conclusions.


You don't consider this type of photography art?

photography or art?

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Aug 9, 2020 18:16:56   #
oldmainer47 wrote:
I personally don't care for this type of "photograph" at all. It looks like a cut and paste of images to create a look and message about something. Not to my liking.


I guess you don't like Pablo Picasso's Cubism or Vincent van Gogh's art either.
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Aug 8, 2020 19:28:12   #
Nigel7 wrote:
It is all art, not photography. Photographers capture an image whilst artists create one. The two genres are starting to overlap too much for my liking. These pictures lack realism too so are not my choice of art but it takes all sorts and I'm sure there are many out there who will appreciate it.


It is not new it happened in the film days with darkroom techniques as well.
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Aug 8, 2020 17:22:31   #
TomHackett wrote:
Take a look at this photograph: "The Extras, 2009," the seventh photograph on this page - https://www.lehmannmaupin.com/exhibitions/alex-prager6
(I'm posting the link, not the photograph, because I did not take it and do not have permission from the photographer to use it.)
There is something about it that I just can't put my finger on. To me, it looks unrealistic. I'm not talking about the scene or other "content" but the "qualities" of the image. I don't know how to describe it--like the difference between the photo of a building and the "artist's rendering." In a way, it seems almost like a drawing than a photograph.
How would one go about achieving this "effect," if that's what it is?
Does anyone see what I mean, or is it just my imagination?
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It is not meant to be realistic, more classified as photographic art created using a darkroom or computer.
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Aug 4, 2020 18:36:13   #
tomcat wrote:
Yessir buddy, they do look really great. That is one sharp lens. The Z system will rock when you nail everything down. By the way, changing those timers will help you with action shots too because you won't have to encounter any delays when you compose. That's one of the reasons that I have my camera set for BBF using the AF-on button. I automatically pop it just as I start to compose.

Good luck with those timer settings. They are in Custom Functions, c3


I to use BBF, and yes those timers should help a lot. The menu system has a few bells and whistles more than my DSLR's and I will have to learn them. I started with Nikon in 2005 with the D2x and it was a learning process then, so the learning continues.
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Aug 4, 2020 15:13:07   #
jaymatt wrote:
Perhaps you folks can help: I have searched the internet, but cannot find an answer to my question, probably because I’m not asking correctly.

I am using an iMac (High Sierra 10.13.6) and Lightroom 6.0. How do I import photos into my Mac without them also automatically going into Lightroom? I’m assuming (hoping) there’s a simple answer.

I do not intend to upgrade to the newest operating system because I am still using some 16 bit programs, and I do not intend to move to the LR subscription program, so thanks in advance for not making those suggestions.

Any help that Mac users can give will be appreciated.
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I believe Adobe Bridge is still free and that software allows you to import to your drive without a DAM.
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Aug 4, 2020 15:04:13   #
Rongnongno wrote:
Purchased one less than ten days ago...

Now I do not have it anymore. My wife 'black mailed me' and took it from me...


She likes small cameras I guess, for travel I originally purchased the first RX100, then two years ago I got the VI, but they hardly get used. I have two Nikon 1 V3 cameras and all the lenses made for that series and though a little bigger than the Sony, they are still manageable for traveling.
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Aug 4, 2020 12:22:42   #
tomcat wrote:
Your flash was powerful enough for the images that you posted here. In fact, it was too bright on the bride and groom in the last picture. Their flesh tones appear to be burned out on the cheeks. I would've dialed the flash back a bunch because to me--and this is just my opinion---I would rather be slightly underexposed on flash portraits. I can increase exposure, but once you've lost the cheeks and forehead, there's not much you can do.

If you want a more powerful flash than the SB-910, look for a used SB-800. I have 2 of them and they are the most powerful flashes that Nikon made (I believe more output than the SB-5000 is).
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The day before the wedding on Lake Erie PA they had a tall ship raga-ta and these images were taken with the Z6 and 24-70 f2.8 S, minimal editing mainly cropping. Like I said I love that lens.


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