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Dec 22, 2023 19:36:07   #
Triple G wrote:
According to the amendment, they do as explained in their ruling.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/politics/2023/12/19/read-full-colorado-supreme-court-opinion-barring-trump-from-primary/71977991007/


We will see what the Supreme Court has to say.
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Dec 22, 2023 17:43:29   #
Triple G wrote:
There are no provisions that indicate what evidence satisfies the determination of "engaged in" and there are no provisions stating what level of proof. CO has followed the exact text of the amendment (originalist/textualist). SCOTUS will have to decide if that is sufficient.


The question remains if Colorado has the authority.
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Dec 22, 2023 17:12:41   #
scooter1 wrote:
You're missing something. In America you must be PROVEN guilty of the crime. You liberals trying to find a way to keep Trump off the b****t would actually go against everything that makes America by having to prove someone committed a crime and saying he doesn't have to be proven he has committed the said crime is pathetic and un American. But the liberals have tried to toss out the constitution on numerous occasions the last few years. If you don't like the constitution then move to somewhere that doesn't protect it's citizens with laws.
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Dec 22, 2023 15:52:47   #
Triple G wrote:
Be specific...

1) CO judges don't have authority to decide state b****t?

2) Maine Sec. of State doesn't have authority?

Citations, please.


If this were the case, then any state could remove any candidate from the b****t. As I stated, you are wrong and the Supreme Court will make that decision and end this blatant disregard for v**ers to chose and not some wacko politician who doesn't like the candidate.
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Dec 22, 2023 15:48:08   #
Kraken wrote:
So you didn't see anything that appealed to you, keep shopping.

Try the National Enquirer.


Finally, word from the peanut gallery.
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Dec 22, 2023 12:07:05   #
Triple G wrote:
Answered above. In CO, judges have made the determination that trump "engaged" in r*******n or i**********n. Not guilt/innocence, but activity based engagement.

In Maine, it's Secretary of State.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/15/maine-14th-amendment-trump-00132136

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/lsb/lsb10569


https://theconversation.com/why-14th-amendment-bars-trump-from-office-a-constitutional-law-scholar-explains-principle-behind-colorado-supreme-court-ruling-219763

In FL:
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4171623-florida-lawyer-files-challenge-to-disqualify-trump-from-2024-race-citing-14th-amendment/
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You are so wrong.
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Dec 22, 2023 10:11:37   #
Triple G wrote:
It's not about anyone, anytime, any offense. This discussion on 14A refers only and specifically to r*******n and i**********n. 14A was enacted after the civil war to offer a process to keep s******n sympathizers off state b****ts.

Each state has their own procedures; some delegate the authority to v****g commission, some to legislature and some to courts. No one is determining that trump is guilty of any crime because it's not necessary under this section of 14A. A determination of engaged in i**********n or r*******n is the only criteria. Defendant is offered due process as described in analysis included below.

Historically, due process ordinarily entailed a jury trial. The jury determined the facts and the judge enforced the law. In past two centuries, however, states have developed a variety of institutions and procedures for adjudicating disputes. Making room for these innovations, the Court has determined that due process requires, at a minimum: (1) notice; (2) an opportunity to be heard; and (3) an impartial tribunal. Mullane v. Central Hanover Bank (1950).





https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/amendment-xiv/clauses/701
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Who has the authority to decide if Trump committed i**********n and cannot serve as president? Who can make that decision?
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Dec 22, 2023 08:36:06   #
[quote=Shutterbug1697]Where in the Constitution does it state than an individual needs to be charged with, or convicted of i**********n to be disqualified under Section 3 of the 14th

So you are saying anyone can say someone is violating the constitution and that alone means it is true? There is a process in this country which states you are innocent until proven guilty. Who do you believe has the authority to say Trump committed i**********n and therefore can be disqualified from holding office?
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Dec 21, 2023 20:18:57   #
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Read the legal definition of an I**********n!

What trump did meets the legal definition of an I**********n!


And yet no lefty prosecutor has charged him. Why not?
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Dec 21, 2023 17:20:20   #
JohnFrim wrote:
If a tree falls in the forest, but no one is there to see it fall, did it actually fall?


If JohnFrim had a brain, would he use it? Makes about as much sense as what you said. Why can't you Trump h**ers understand that until a legal jurisdiction decides there is\was enough evidence to support charges of i**********n, there was no i**********n. it does not matter what or where you get your definition. Only the legal definition matters. Enough trying to discuss the obvious with any of you.
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Dec 21, 2023 15:30:48   #
National Park wrote:
Yes. Read my posts.


Ok, we agree no one has been charged with i**********n. Therefore, there is not enough evidence to show there was an i**********n. Therefore, there was no i**********n as defined by law, which is all that matters.
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Dec 21, 2023 11:17:00   #
National Park wrote:
There once was a teacher who asked a student to define ignorance. The student responded, "I don't know, and I don't care." Read! You may learn something.


Do you acknowledge that no one has been charged with i**********n?
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Dec 21, 2023 06:29:02   #
National Park wrote:
I just call an i**********n and i**********n, as the term is commonly used. I call it neither an apple, nor an orange. And I never said, nor do I agree, that it wasn't an i**********n as legally defined. I agree the charge that was made was s******n, not i**********n. But I believe i**********n charges could have been filed. You may want to look at: https://www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com/r*******n-or-i**********n


I do not need to read anything. Until a jurisdiction charges someone with i**********n, there was no i**********n. If someone is charged then, and only then, will agree there was an i**********n. Legal experts smarter in the law than you or me including liberal prosecutors, say no i**********n.
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Dec 20, 2023 21:09:09   #
National Park wrote:
Just because no one was charged with a federal offense under the i**********n statute, that does not mean there was no i**********n as that term is commonly used. The dictionary defines "i**********n" as "a violent uprising against an authority or government." Clearly, 1*6 was "violent." And, it was an "uprising against an authority or government" in that it attempted to stop Congress from certifying an e******n, as required by the Constitution. Consequently, 1*6 was an i**********n.
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In your mind there was an i**********n. In the eyes of the law, which is all that matters, there was no i**********n. Do you not believe, with all the h**e for Trump and those who support him, at least someone would be charged with i**********n? Obviously there was not enough evidence to support any charge of i**********n, by anyone. Clearly, as you put it, there was not an i**********n as legally defined. You can call an apple an orange all day long, but it will never be taken as an orange. Good night.
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Dec 20, 2023 19:29:42   #
National Park wrote:
You miss the point. I**********n is a type of s******n.


I did not miss the point. Has anyone been charged with i**********n?
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