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Aug 6, 2012 18:16:13   #
ole sarg wrote:
You people are foolish.

The argument is not about Reid. It is about Romney!

What is he hiding?

Romney wants to be President not Reid.

All Romney has to do to prove Reid wrong is release his tax returns. That will prove Harry is a liar!y

Without the released returns, Harry is telling the truth that someone told him Romney has not paid taxes in 10 years.
Can you disprove the statement?



Sarg, you are the foolish one. In this country one is innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof lies with the accuser. The accused does not have to prove their innocence. Until harry proves that what he said is true then he is a liar. And one cannot testify to what he has heard second or third hand, a little thing called hearsay. DON'T YOU HATE THEM FACTS?
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Aug 6, 2012 15:13:34   #
docrob wrote:
DennisK wrote:
docrob wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
chewy wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
chewy wrote:
Bangee5 wrote:
Chewy, This is way people have a problem with the Bible and coming to terms with their Faith in God. ngc1514 is at one extream and you the other. You could have said that "to me the Bible is like a Code Book..." 'Cause chewy, to me the bible is not a code book. It is more than just a book. It is a lot of books in one. And really, I do not know where you are coming from with this Idea.

Keep an open mind and follow this link, http://letusreason.org/current7.htm


Matthew 13:10-15 I beiieve you fit here sir..
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Careful Chewy, have you forgotten the Bible warns against judging people?
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That is not a judgment,It is an educated guess.
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Just a little mis-understanding, no hard feelings. chewy is still our brother in Christ, right chewy?
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Chewy looks more like a sister........???
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Ummm that's probably just his avatar.Do you think I'm really a talking (typing) flower?
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no but why would a guy use an avatar of a girl? I mean I can see where a person might want to use a flower to represent them.........or maybe a fire hose or a peacock, possible a kitchen roach or maybe something astrological........
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Maybe it is his wife, girlfriend, or daughter.
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Aug 6, 2012 13:07:18   #
docrob wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
docrob wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
docrob wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Folks on the left love to say that the right is not only intolerant but that they are disrespectful bullies... Well we all saw the photos and video of the Chick-fil-A appreciation day, all seemed peaceful and respectful, I saw no printed signs disrespecting anybody nor did I see any images of hate speech... Now comes along the Kiss In and we see images such as this homeless man accosted by Kiss in Protesters.. They call the Tea Party terrorists and they excuse actions such as this by liberal activists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8G4jI3VI8U&feature=player_embedded
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You keep stirring the pot by stereotyping and dividing people into groups. Yes, we all saw the video but apparently you saw a "I am a liberal" tee shirt or bumper sticker on the man's chest or car....Something that led you to believe that this man was a "hated and dreaded liberal." Get off it blue eyes. Tea Partiers or Occupy Wall streeters - we are ALL in this together we are ALL Americans - we either come together as a PEOPLE or this country will perish..........I am liberal in thinking I am conservative in spending I am many things I am complex I am simple - I am a human being. I am not Christian and still I would say to you Blue eyes - "if you are without sin then cast the first stone."
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I am agnostic so the bible quote only means a little bit more ot me maybe than it does to you... Now, what they did to that poor man was demeaning and degrading, and I would suggest that it is very common for the left to behave this way as they feel morally superior to any on the right... and many on the left have a special animosity to any who hold religious beliefs... The sight of a man reading a bible during their protest was far too much for these activists to cope with... You saw the attack on the bible and the activist expressing his hatred for the book and for religion... this is becoming far to common on the left.
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Yes. It was uncalled for and then again it was not unexpected given the situation either.

These were kids - (relatively speaking) who were caught up in the energy and fervor or the moment. They saw a target or some did and proceeded to heckle and argue (at least one person did - I only saw one person - did you see more?). This is nothing more than ordinary "school yard bullying." But you sir see the "devil" where I see young people acting poorly. You see some expression of the "left" the "liberal" acting morally superior and then from this one incident you conclude that it is "very common for the left to behave this way as they feel morally superior to any on the right... and many on the left have a special animosity to any who hold religious beliefs..."

Again sir, I see one person heckling the bible reading guy and you see a vast conspiracy..........I see one angry young man trying to look good for his buddies.....you see the face of "the morally superior left."

I see one man - you - continuing to preach your gospel of "hey look at the left they are the bad guys." A gospel such as this Sir, can only serve to divide us all.
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I read other sites and to be honest there is an overwhelming amount of disrespect shown from both sides in comment sections on any article that is political in nature, but the common theme I see coming from the left is the one that I eluded to here, moral superiority, hatred for religion, and the belief that the right is somehow educationally and mentally challenged.

Honestly UHH is A-typical in that more care is given to putting forward a respectful argument, I do not find the actions shown in that video to be an anomaly and I do not excuse those "kids" because of their age, they are young adults and any person capable of true compassion would have never engaged in such behavior... IMO it was their belief in their own moral righteousness that compelled them to behave in that manner.
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I appreciate your willingness to take an even tone - and perhaps to recognize your own anger (when it arises) and choose not to express it. That is a mark of maturity - one that this young man was not capable of expressing at least within the context of the rally. I would like to think that under less combustible circumstances that same young man would, in fact, behave more appropriately. I could be wrong - he could simply be a jerk of indeterminate political stripe - an independent jerk.

However, true compassion draws no lines - no boundaries. True compassion expresses a unity with all people regardless of their beliefs and expression thereof. True compassion does not say "there but for the grace of god go i." True compassion simply says: "there go i."

Finally sir, one could as easily question the judgment, motivation and intent of the man with the bible coming down to attend a rally which was sure to be populated by many young and activist GLBT folk. Some such as myself would at least wonder if he was not hoping to elicit just such a response and then could as others have done " "innocently" blame the poor behavior upon some ideological position.

see how ugly those Gays are! They have no morals no compassion. They mercilessly attack this poor innocent man who was doing nothing to incite them - just sitting in the middle of a GLBT rally quitely waving a red .....err i mean quietly reading a bible.
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Why can't he read his bible at a lgbt rally? When the chik fil a supporters had their day, the gay community set up a protest across the street. Yet the supporters tolerated their presence there, although being heckled by the protestors. No one acted out violently toward the protestors. And while we're here, why couldn't the gay communiity have a support like the supporters of chik fil a did? Why did they have to have a "kiss in", an act they knew the majority of people would find offensive? As a heterosexual I don't go into public and make out to show I'm straight. I believe that being gay is a sexual preference choice, and as a sexual preference should remain a private act. It should not be practiced and paraded in public view, anymore than a man and woman should have sex in public. That is the problem with modern society, we have lost our morals, and our sense of modesty.
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Aug 6, 2012 00:18:32   #
ngc1514 wrote:
chewy wrote:
Gods plan for the testing of man kind is 6000 years. It's almost up. Believe what you want. I'M DONE HERE.

It would be difficult to find a better example of faith as the pretending to know something one does not know. The writers of the books that later became known as the New Testament knew the end of the world was near, but they were pretending to know something they didn't know. Had they performed the same calculation Bishop Usher did, they would have said god was testing man fo 4000 years.

Ever since and in every generation I would not be surprised to find someone pretending to know something they don't know and predicting the imminent end of the world. Such predictions are so common they have become an instantly recognized joke in cartoons with the ragged, bearded guy in a robe waving the sign saying "THE END IS NEAR.". And I've seen bumper sticker claiming "I've survived 5 apocalypses!". These were common last year after Harold Camping pretended to know the end of the world was coming TWICE in one year.

You are in good - if wrong - company.
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The Bible states that no man will know the day or the hour of when the end of time will come. God gives us signs to look for to recognize when the end is near. Those prophecies have been being fulfilled in recent times, leading Christians to believe that the second coming of Christ is near. There is no exact expiration date set on the length of time that man will be allowed to have free reign over the earth. Any man that says they know exactly when the end will come, is a crackpot.
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Aug 6, 2012 00:10:31   #
Hal81 wrote:
Why so much hate! Why do all none beleavers hate us belevers so much? We love them Our Bible teaches us to Love the sinner but hate the sin. We are not trying to stop you from beliveing or not believing what you want. Youll never win the argument or change anyones mind by your raveing and ranting. The same with politics. A libreal will always be a libreal and a Conservative will always be a concervative. Both sides are just wasting their time when they could be out taken photographs. I think they should outlaw those two subjects from chit chat. Just my thoughs. Dose anyone feel the same way???
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Aug 5, 2012 19:08:05   #
I Like it. I think the sky helps make the picture just the way it is.
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Aug 5, 2012 19:01:47   #
Much MUCH better than political squabbling! Thanks!
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Aug 5, 2012 15:53:34   #
ole sarg wrote:
Blurreyed could it be because so many errors are made by the right wing media that media matters just doesn't have time to get to the few that are made by other outlets?

dtcracer: In the world of public debate one does not need a gun to intimidate only reasoned argument.

As a person on the left side of the political spectrum I can assure I have no fear of my gun jumping out of the holster. Nor to many of those I go shooting with on a regular basis. They and myself are just sane and know all about guns.

What do they say, big gun little dick....
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Sarg, you need to lighten up, and learn when someone is joking. I know a lot of liberals who are gun enthusiasts. And I couldn't agree more about guns not belonging in a political debate.
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Aug 5, 2012 15:24:54   #
ole sarg wrote:
When? When have left wing groups in an organized manner shouted down a candidate in a town hall meeting? When have left wing groups come to political meetings packing pistols?

During the anti war days of the 60s yes but that was over 50 years ago!


Well, we know they never showed up at a political meeting packing pistols, because they are all afraid the pistols would jump out of the holsters and start shooting people. Because, you know, according to them, guns kill, not people. Either that, or the ones that thought about it accidentally shot themselves first, because, you know, according to them anybody who has a gun is a danger to themselves and their families!
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Aug 4, 2012 17:45:16   #
RixPix wrote:
DennisK wrote:
I got just one more thing to say and then I'm bowing out of this discussion.
I would rather believe that there is a God and find out after my death that I was wrong,rather than not believe and find out that there indeed is one.


That's your prerogative. All I ask is that you keep that belief to yourself and not try to inject it into the secular world including that of the government of this country. Once you start that then your beliefs begin to infringe upon those who do not share them and that is a violation of the constitution and wrong!
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Just your comment is infringing on our constitutional right under Freedom of Religion, and Freedom of Speech. And how would that be any different than you pushing your atheistic beliefs on Christians? Or demanding that our government have an atheistic view? Although the atheist deny it, atheism is a RELIGION, it is a belief based in religious principals. We have as much right as you do. Everyone seems to be all for Freedom of Religion, as long as it isn't the Christian religion.
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Aug 4, 2012 17:25:18   #
I have faith in my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I do not have to justify my faith to anyone. I do not have to prove my faith to anyone. I am tired of all of the anti-Christian bigotry that runs rampant on this site. It is ok to hate Christians, and belittle our faith, to trample on our constitutional right of the freedom of religion, yet we are not allowed to excercise said freedom, and our freedom of speech to stand up for what we believe in.
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Aug 4, 2012 17:12:56   #
docrob wrote:
cudakite wrote:
Not certain what point you're trying to make, docrob, but clearly no one can know what's in the mind of others. Having said that, gotta say your redundant question kinda sounds like the old "I know you are but what am I?" It's clear to me there's way too much rancor coming from both the right and the left. Oh, and before anyone chooses sides, I detest an abundance of the nonsense being spouted by both sides. Case in point, this discussion. No decent person should be able to agree with the now unemployeed gentleman, yet look at all the right-hemisphere name calling it brings out. We need to all grow up and that totally includes me!
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Point I am making is that it's easy to stereotype others, it's easy to lump all liberals or all conservatives into groups and then simply refer to that group as if - key phrase "as if" all people in said groups think the same - are the same......My point is that if you have to relate to me as an individual - and vice versa - than I cannot simply stereotype you and neither can I be stereotyped by you (editorial you).

But that's exactly what we do - what the media does - Stereotype and group......it's easier to dehumanize and if we have learned anything about war and killing is that it's helpful to think of the "enemy" as less than human...........so my point is see me as an individual and I will see you in equal light.....
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You, sir, are right. I apologize for offending you. Perhaps I should have thought my statement through a little more thoroughly before posting.
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Aug 4, 2012 16:44:23   #
micro wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
What happened in the past is of no difference.

The President has been in office for almost 4 years. We know who he is.

Some like his policies some don't. He has been veted.

This nonsense and garbage about his birthplace and college transcripts is an attempt to deligetimize his right to be in office. I strongly believe it is an expression of not only latent but blatant racism and bigotry. Something I want to believe is not as prevalent as these people are expressing. To me, it is as if the Klan is burning a cross on the lawn of the White House.
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You know sarg, the only person I have EVER seen use the term racist, or even refer to the race of President Obama on this site is you. You sir, are the only bigot on here.

It is not an attempt to "delegitimitize" the president. It is about issues that have arisen that have never been answered properly. We do NOT know who the president is, I for one had never heard of him prior to the 2008 election. Then there are the facts (Don't you hate them facts?) that he does not like to cover his heart during the Pledge. The fact he was raised in a foreign country, and educated in a Muslim school, that raise questions. I do not believe that Obama is not a natural born US citizen, I do not believe that he is a muslim, however, the questions have been raised and never answered properly. He has refused to release his college transcripts which would prove, once and for all that he did not register as a foreign student. And I am sorry, what happened in the past does matter, especially with the president. You can say that it matters what happens in Romneys past, but not Obamas? You are a hypocrite.
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You may not believe you are a bigot, you sure seem like one to me.
Lets test my theory, you say you believe that he is a Muslem (which is rediclus). Why do you care? Do you beleive a Muslem can be president of the united states?
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Let us test your ability to read, go back and re-read my statement and tell me where it say that I personally believe he is a Muslim?

And to answer your RIDICULOUS question, I do BELIEVE that a Muslim has the right to be President. The Muslim belief is not the problem, the problem with the Muslim religion is the radicals, which exist in ALL religions, including atheism.
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Aug 4, 2012 16:32:54   #
ole sarg wrote:
What happened in the past is of no difference.

The President has been in office for almost 4 years. We know who he is.

Some like his policies some don't. He has been veted.

This nonsense and garbage about his birthplace and college transcripts is an attempt to deligetimize his right to be in office. I strongly believe it is an expression of not only latent but blatant racism and bigotry. Something I want to believe is not as prevalent as these people are expressing. To me, it is as if the Klan is burning a cross on the lawn of the White House.
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You know sarg, the only person I have EVER seen use the term racist, or even refer to the race of President Obama on this site is you. You sir, are the only bigot on here.

It is not an attempt to "delegitimitize" the president. It is about issues that have arisen that have never been answered properly. We do NOT know who the president is, I for one had never heard of him prior to the 2008 election. Then there are the facts (Don't you hate them facts?) that he does not like to cover his heart during the Pledge. The fact he was raised in a foreign country, and educated in a Muslim school, that raise questions. I do not believe that Obama is not a natural born US citizen, I do not believe that he is a muslim, however, the questions have been raised and never answered properly. He has refused to release his college transcripts which would prove, once and for all that he did not register as a foreign student. And I am sorry, what happened in the past does matter, especially with the president. You can say that it matters what happens in Romneys past, but not Obamas? You are a hypocrite.
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Aug 4, 2012 11:07:53   #
docrob wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
docrob wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
jpintn wrote:
MisterWilson wrote:
How about the rant of this radio host?

http://nation.foxnews.com/mike-malloy/2012/08/02/liberal-has-epic-meltdown-over-chick-fil

Sure sounds like hate speech to me.

Somebody get that guy a milk shake. He needs to chill out.


Pure hate!! This guy needs more than a milkshake. He needs few shots of Jack Daniels to calm him down!! Just another liberal guy who thinks anyone who does not agree with him is a moron. Well, in this case we know who the moron is. He made that clear as soon as he started talking.
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Conservatives believe that anyone who does not agree with them is not only a moron but a socialist communist.
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Seriously??? Did you not look at the link above??? That is a LIBERAL who is having a meltdown and calling anyone who doesn't agree with him a moron! He is an extreme left wing radical, and an excellent example of how the liberal mind works!
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I have a liberal mind - would you care or dare show me how it works?
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Did you look at the above article? It is commensurate with the attitude that the liberals on this site display on a daily basis.
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As a person with a liberal mind I am not interested in being stereotyped, pigeon - holed, lumped into a group or merely overlooked as an individual. So, that said, please tell me how my mind works.
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But it is ok for a liberal to do the same to a conservative? Sounds like a set of double standards to me.
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