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Jun 3, 2018 17:56:15   #
Throughout my time in undergrad I endured several different levels of critiques. These were physical in person critiques with prints on the wall. Every class I took had around 13 students and our critiques often took up nearly the whole 3 hour a day allotted class time.

In addition to those critiques as part of the BFA program, I had to have BFA critiques/ evaluations each semester. These were 30 minute critiques with faculty members from different areas, other BFA students and MFA students. The student would talk about there work, then the critics would ask questions and make comments about the work. The student would also attempt to defend and explain their work during this time.

My first BFA critique was awful. The faculty were the two of the toughest people in the department, a painting professor and an art historian. They tore my work apart for at least 20 minutes, telling me that my work did not reflect my intentions and needed to printed better. They were correct. The next semester my work was far better and the critique went far better.

I also was one of the few BFA students that sat in on the end of semester MFA critiques. These were similar to our BFA critiques but far more intense and BFA/ MFA students were prohibited from comments. The faculty would critique the students work and they would answer questions and defend their work and concept.

These highly intense and critical discussions are the crux of art school. They are certainly not for those that are thin skinned. One cannot receive such feedback through videos and it is difficult to get it through forums such as this.

Here is the description of the BFA program that I went through: https://fulbright.uark.edu/departments/art/degrees/bachelor-of-fine-arts-art-studio.php
https://fulbright.uark.edu/departments/art/areas-of-study/photography.php

Here is the description of the MFA program I will be starting this fall: https://soaad.indiana.edu/academics/graduate/mfa.html
https://soaad.indiana.edu/academics/areas/photography/index.html
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Jun 3, 2018 03:43:59   #
SharpShooter wrote:
Foto, a basic photography class is for people that have never held a camera before, so they can learn to use it and many are taught in manual to learn the Exposure Triangle.
And it's not necessary for a pro to know all about cameras. Photo classes are NOT about cameras, only websites like this are, where people are camera knowledge heavy and composition weak. Don't confuse the two.
A guy with an MFA in photography knows a lot about photography and maybe nothing about cameras, just as a doctor may know a lot about medicine and nothing about how an MRI machine is made.
I was lucky, my program was designed around turning out professional photographers, so was only related to photography like portraits and lighting, portfolios, architectural and product and food etc.
Good luck
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Precisely. I got my BFA degree three years ago. It gave me a more in depth view and knowledge of photography far beyond exposure and composition. I applied to several schools this year for their MFA programs. Several of the schools accepted me and I visited them and sat in on their seminar class which consists of discussion and critique. The discussion during the critique had very little to do with composition and nothing to do with camera technique. It was all about the why behind the photographic series being critiqued, whether or not the message was communicated well through the photographs and thoughts on how the work could better.

I was very fortunate to get an in depth meeting with a potential professor. He was giving a lecture at the University of Arkansas where I went to undergrad. I had already had my official phone interview with another instructor but he is the program chair and he wanted to meet me in person since we was in my town that week. During the meeting he casually asked me if he could see some of my work first hand. I went out to my car and found that I did not have a portfolio but rather just one of my print storage boxes. I had a second set of prints from my most recent series so I showed them to him. It wast different than the work I had submitted in my application portfolio. They are night scenes around Northwest Arkansas in b&w. I had received positive feedback from many people including my undergrad mentor and a professor at another school I was interested in.

However, the professor I was meeting with and showing the prints to didn't care as much for them. He told me they were beautiful prints, very well crafted but that he didn't understand why I made them. He wanted to know what I was trying the say with these images. The concept behind the images was far more important to him than the composition or how well the images were made.
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Jun 2, 2018 23:41:45   #
The market for film has been increasing over the past few years. The problem with new cameras like the EOS-1V and the F6 is that they are expensive and the market is flooded with good used film cameras going for far less money.
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Jun 2, 2018 20:09:13   #
Bobspez wrote:
First thing I noticed on the college web page is they won't give you any info unless you send them your info so they can contact you. So I couldn't look at the curriculum or tuition. That seems a little off to me. Most colleges give you all the info you need about costs, curriculum, etc. on their web page.

Second thing I noticed when researching the college was the median annual salary 6 years after graduation was listed as $30,000. That is not too encouraging since the tuition is $27,000 a year.

But the main thing I would ask is why do you want to be a better photographer? What difference will it make to you if you are?
In the end, all that instruction can do is teach you the basics. To get better you have to figure it out on your own. And you may or may not have the talent to get better. There's thousands of photographers on UHH, and only a dozen or two that I have seen that have real talent.

I would say if you need a classroom environment to learn, you aren't really interested in the subject. And a classroom may not teach you what you want to learn, rather it may teach you what the teacher wants to teach. I have a bachelor's degree and got an MBA while working and raising a family, but all I got for it was a piece of paper and some self satisfaction. I didn't learn much and it had no effect on my carreer that I am aware of. But it cost me nothing as my company paid for all of it. Had I spent $50K or $100K to get it, I would have considered it a foolish move.

If you need others to motivate you, are there any photography clubs or junior college classes or classes at the Y you can take in your area? That might give you the incentive to learn in a group setting that you are looking for.
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The AI schools, to be honest, don’t have the best reputations in the academic art community.

I’ve only known one person who went theough one of their programs. He is a sucessful fashion photographer. It really depends on what one wants out it and how much they are willing to put into.
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Jun 2, 2018 20:05:22   #
canon Lee wrote:
Hi again.. a 4year certificate might be redundant because the technology of today will be useless or replaced in a yr... I went to school to learn electronics, graduated and found almost everything I had learned was outmoded..
With todays camera technology, taking photos might all be done by a camera not a photographer..


Again, camera skills are not the largest part of these programs.
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Jun 2, 2018 19:40:14   #
Peterff wrote:
If that works for you, then go and do it, just choose the right one at the right price. Don't pay for something that doesn't deliver. My impression is that you already have much of the knowledge and skills required, but need someone to crack the whip. Perhaps you should sign up for the boudoir section and commit to post a certain number of images every month! That might give you a sufficient number of challenges!


It isn’t just about skills and techniques. These programs teach critical theory and conceptual thinking. This is gained through critiques and group discussions. While much of these concepts are in books it is very different compared to the discussions and hands on learing that occurs in art schools.
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Jun 2, 2018 18:15:21   #
fotoman150 wrote:
I’m looking at The Art Institute of Raleigh Durham.

The certificate is heavy in post processing and output with a few classes in photography. It’s actually called Digital Image Management.


AI schools tend to be a bit more commercially focused than many other programs. As they are private rather than state institutions they tend to be rather expensive. Here is a bit more info and review about the institution: https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-art-institute-of-raleigh-durham/#academics

How many years and credit hours does the program require?
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Jun 2, 2018 18:05:31   #
Depends on what you want to get out of it. BFA programs at art schools while teaching technique, are more about conceptual thinking and learning to communicate complex ideas through visual media. Keep in mind that these programs likely require studies in other fields such as drawing, painting, ceramics, printmaking and sculpture. They also require courses in art history. For me, my BFA degree was highly valuable. I learning a lot but mostly it other things besides techniques. I am uncertain what the other certificate would consist of but it is possible that it most of trade school type of education. Which school are you looking at?
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Apr 22, 2018 23:51:54   #
For the most part I use my darkroom (not software).

For rest of my work, digital and scanned film/ prints, I use Photoshop CC
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Mar 2, 2018 15:45:16   #
Here is a good link: https://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/2018/sally-mann-a-thousand-crossings.html

Also, here is her Instagram Page for the exhibition: https://www.instagram.com/a_thousand_crossings/
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Feb 28, 2018 19:10:18   #
I am 27, very close to being 28. I got into photography in 2003 when I was 13. My father bought an AE-1 earlier that year and gave it to me for Christmas. His father was an amatuer photographer and had a darkroom in their apartment. My father and his siblings all picked up photography as a hobby.

On a trip to Maine in 2007 I go more serious about photography. When I entered college in 2008 I planned on majoring in Anthropology. During my second semester I switched to Art.
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Feb 24, 2018 23:25:30   #
Kiron Kid wrote:
I spent an evening with Brett Weston. The fingernails on his left hand were permanently stained black. 👍


I'm guessing he used Amidol, like his father did. It will do that to your fingernails. I spent several days studying with Alan Ross in the darkroom. He uses his bare hands to develop pints. I used to do that, but I now use gloves after having developed a skin reaction to Metol.
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Feb 24, 2018 22:53:26   #
rmalarz wrote:
I don't. Like the OP, I still regularly shoot film. Love the fragrance of fixer.
--Bob


Given that I spend 20+ hours in the darkroom a week between work and home, it has become my cologne. Some of my photographer friends notice and often comment about it. I've ceased to notice the smell.
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Feb 24, 2018 10:35:05   #
James R wrote:
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YES!

I wonder if Kodak will also make the T-MAX P3200 in 4X5 format?

I know that asking for 8X10 is out of the question... Or is it?

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I wish but it is unlikely given the different base needed for coating. Though they are talking 120 if demand is good. 120 film has a different base thickness than 35mm. Ilford does an odd size run every year and I've never seen them offer Delta 3200 in 4x5 at that time. Not sure if anyone has ever requested it.
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Feb 23, 2018 11:31:28   #
The interesting thing about this conversation and surprise from people is that Ilford has Delta 3200 in 35mm and 120. It has never been discontinued
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