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Mar 22, 2019 23:58:17   #
LMurray Loc: North Orange County, CA
 
If it's here and as popular or more popular in 30 40 50 years and I'm still around at 100-125, I'll admit I was wrong. :) I'm pretty sure all those people happily shooting rangefinders in '59 and the early 60's considered the Nikon FSLR a fad too.

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Mar 23, 2019 00:27:47   #
Brian Hartnell Loc: Marinette WI
 
The SLR today has tons of lens, teleconverters, macro photo rings and other options at reasonable to expensive pricing by many manufacturers. This shear volume of equipment makes it hard to switch over to a body style like Mirror less that is in its infancy as far as supporting equipment. Once you invest in a system it is hard to switch over to another system that doesn't always allow conversion of your other equipment. There are lens adapter to modify your other lenses but not a lot of lenses yet that are designed for these mirrorless camera bodies. Personally I like the heavier body of the SLR with so many body buttons and external controls. After being a pro for 48 years, I am not ready to change but I can see it coming.

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Mar 23, 2019 03:39:02   #
Psoohoo
 
mizzee wrote:
You’ve got to get your hands on a mirrorless. Try renting. I switched to micro 4/3s from Nikon and couldn’t be happier and I’m capturing better images, but maybe that’s because I’m more inclined to take my camera with me.


This whole thread is a variant of what is the best .... I have not seen the best camera is the one you are willing to carry and use. If you are just as capable carrying a mirrorless or DSLR the comparison comes down to personal preference. It does you no good to have the best iso range or fastest focus if you don’t have it with you. My wife is always asking “ you’re going to lug all that equipment on our hike? My answer is always the same why own it if you’re not going to use it. My vote is for mirrorless simply because I’m more likely to carry it

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Mar 23, 2019 09:05:08   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
There are several interesting comments in this latest series. They made me think back to the day a few months ago when I had a chance to look at a Z7 at some length. I've described that experience and my responses at some length in other discussions and will not do so again here.

But I will mention that there are a number of things which we buy which are aat their shiniest and best the day we buy them. No matter how well we take care of them, they don't ever quite measure up the same after that day. Automobiles are in that list, probably at the top for most people. Computers are many times on it, too. I'll let you complete it in your own minds. But as an example, just think about how many times you have kept on car shopping after driving that new one home.

I have several cameras right now. Some pretty recent models, some pretty old by the standards of this group. I even have one current model that I've learned that many here think is too old to buy or use. But I don't have any that I am dissatisfied with or that I am looking to replace.

When I looked at the Z7, I thought it was really nice. I actually thought it was really cool. But there wasn't anything about it that screamed out to me to buy it. In the end it was just a very expensive camera that I could buy that would do almost all of what a camera I already owned would do. And to get the best match. I'd also have to buy a very expensive lens that was almost as capable as a more useful lens that I already owned.

So I walked away. Still have no reason to go back. Even if I needed the benefits claimed here, I can not realize them without giving up some real photographic capability. I can do the same thing with my current system for much less money and still be ahead in overall capability and options.

So yes, mirrorless is still a fad right now. It is a reasonable but expensive product playing with hype into hysteria. And I have no need or desire for either.

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Mar 23, 2019 09:33:19   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
larryepage wrote:
There are several interesting comments in this latest series. They made me think back to the day a few months ago when I had a chance to look at a Z7 at some length. I've described that experience and my responses at some length in other discussions and will not do so again here.

But I will mention that there are a number of things which we buy which are aat their shiniest and best the day we buy them. No matter how well we take care of them, they don't ever quite measure up the same after that day. Automobiles are in that list, probably at the top for most people. Computers are many times on it, too. I'll let you complete it in your own minds. But as an example, just think about how many times you have kept on car shopping after driving that new one home.

I have several cameras right now. Some pretty recent models, some pretty old by the standards of this group. I even have one current model that I've learned that many here think is too old to buy or use. But I don't have any that I am dissatisfied with or that I am looking to replace.

When I looked at the Z7, I thought it was really nice. I actually thought it was really cool. But there wasn't anything about it that screamed out to me to buy it. In the end it was just a very expensive camera that I could buy that would do almost all of what a camera I already owned would do. And to get the best match. I'd also have to buy a very expensive lens that was almost as capable as a more useful lens that I already owned.

So I walked away. Still have no reason to go back. Even if I needed the benefits claimed here, I can not realize them without giving up some real photographic capability. I can do the same thing with my current system for much less money and still be ahead in overall capability and options.

So yes, mirrorless is still a fad right now. It is a reasonable but expensive product playing with hype into hysteria. And I have no need or desire for either.
There are several interesting comments in this lat... (show quote)


While I concur with you on so many levels, I find great satisfaction during the hunt. You know, doing the "side by side comparisons", reading the "expert opinions", watching the YouTube vids, and the exhaustive self-assessment of determining just where this new piece of gear will fit into my life. And, finally whimpering like a small child to convince myself that this is the "breakthrough piece of gear" (lens, body, filter, etc.) that will enable me to find and conquer the hold that GAS has on me, sigh.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, did I mention the "New Car Smell and Excitement" of first opening that box containing your new miracle CaNikonOny lens, body, or body and kit lens? Ahhhhhhh, a million times, Ahhhhhhhh.. . .

Remember back to the days of "Brick and Mortar Stores" when the sales rep said those magic words, "My, that does look good on you", or "My, you will look good driving this!"

Please do not disturb me,
I'm still remembering, Ahhhhhhh,
JimmyT Sends
PS: This is why we subscribe to UHH

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Mar 23, 2019 09:51:15   #
khorinek
 
I believe mirrorless cameras will be the future. Even sports cameras (fast fps) will eventually be here some day. The issue I have with the new mirrorless bodies that Canon has come out with, (EOS R & EOS RP), they didn't design the attachments to accommodate existing lenses without using an adapter ring. I would venture to guess there are far more lenses out there than bodies, I use 4 lenses with 2 bodies. This will make a lot of lenses obsolete in the future. Maybe this is Canon's marketing strategy, to sell more lenses. Iv'e replaced my 5D Mark III with the EOS RP. My theory, if it's coming jump on board early and ride it to the top.

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Mar 23, 2019 10:02:21   #
BebuLamar
 
khorinek wrote:
I believe mirrorless cameras will be the future. Even sports cameras (fast fps) will eventually be here some day. The issue I have with the new mirrorless bodies that Canon has come out with, (EOS R & EOS RP), they didn't design the attachments to accommodate existing lenses without using an adapter ring. I would venture to guess there are far more lenses out there than bodies, I use 4 lenses with 2 bodies. This will make a lot of lenses obsolete in the future. Maybe this is Canon's marketing strategy, to sell more lenses. Iv'e replaced my 5D Mark III with the EOS RP. My theory, if it's coming jump on board early and ride it to the top.
I believe mirrorless cameras will be the future. ... (show quote)


To the top??? You got the RP and not the R!

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Mar 23, 2019 10:42:15   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
khorinek wrote:
I believe mirrorless cameras will be the future. Even sports cameras (fast fps) will eventually be here some day. The issue I have with the new mirrorless bodies that Canon has come out with, (EOS R & EOS RP), they didn't design the attachments to accommodate existing lenses without using an adapter ring. I would venture to guess there are far more lenses out there than bodies, I use 4 lenses with 2 bodies. This will make a lot of lenses obsolete in the future. Maybe this is Canon's marketing strategy, to sell more lenses. Iv'e replaced my 5D Mark III with the EOS RP. My theory, if it's coming jump on board early and ride it to the top.
I believe mirrorless cameras will be the future. ... (show quote)


Why does the adapter make your lenses and accessories obsolete?
All your current EF compatible flash accessories are fully useable.
ALL your lenses EF/EF-S are actually enhanced and will NEVER be obsolete on your R or RP and it appears other R cameras.
Your comment does not make sense.

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Mar 23, 2019 15:17:27   #
khorinek
 
Canon makes lenses specifically for the new R & RP bodies (RF lenses). This is the direction Canon is headed. Future Canon bodies (mirrorless) and lenses for the mirrorless bodies will move in their own direction and older equipment will be left behind. It may take some time but this is what is happening. It happened with film cameras and FD Lenses when digital came out in the 80's. You can use an adapter for some FD lenses to fit digital bodies but I know of very few people that do this.

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Mar 23, 2019 15:20:39   #
khorinek
 
yes, but it's like comparing the 6D mark II to the 5D mark IV. The resulting images are nearly identical, the difference is in the "gadgets" on the body and R didn't get the same good reviews as the RP. I've programmed my RP to my needs and and I'm happy with it.

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Mar 23, 2019 15:32:43   #
User ID
 
`

IDguy wrote:

You evidently haven’t expierenced the
Sony programming approach. It sucks
for a Nikon shooter.


Thaz odd. Using both, I've never
experienced that.

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Mar 23, 2019 17:02:40   #
Idaho
 
Mirrorless is the future so that's the place to be. Carefully pick the brand you want to live with for however many years. But quality lenses. Go take pictures.

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Mar 23, 2019 17:07:06   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
khorinek wrote:
Canon makes lenses specifically for the new R & RP bodies (RF lenses). This is the direction Canon is headed. Future Canon bodies (mirrorless) and lenses for the mirrorless bodies will move in their own direction and older equipment will be left behind. It may take some time but this is what is happening. It happened with film cameras and FD Lenses when digital came out in the 80's. You can use an adapter for some FD lenses to fit digital bodies but I know of very few people that do this.
Canon makes lenses specifically for the new R &... (show quote)


I imagine it will happen with the RF mount seeing as no intermediate lens is needed and with IBIS in the next series many FD, FL and R lenses will be dug up and used.

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Mar 23, 2019 19:09:19   #
camerauser78
 
Mirrorless may well be the start of future, but now to me, and I'm old and looking through the EVF will always be, to me, liking watching TV.

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Mar 23, 2019 19:47:03   #
BebuLamar
 
khorinek wrote:
yes, but it's like comparing the 6D mark II to the 5D mark IV. The resulting images are nearly identical, the difference is in the "gadgets" on the body and R didn't get the same good reviews as the RP. I've programmed my RP to my needs and and I'm happy with it.


While the 5D Mark IV isn't at the top of Canon DSLR line it's definitely better than the 6D Mark II. The same is true for the R and RP. The R is definitely better than the RP and there is no higher end camera in the R range it can be considered top. The RP is definitely not the top camera by any standard.

So while you said TOP is it possible that you really meant LATEST?

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